Stop doubting Obito's resolve.

[lol99]

I'm talking about the bigger picture.

Obito should know that what happened to rin happens all the time, It's the shinobi world, he is taught this during his training. If he thought stuff like this didn't happen then he was naive and must of thought being a shinobi is all about sunshine and rainbows.
It seems obito has no problems killing enemy shinobi, Who have family/friends/loved ones, but gets his pink little panties in a bunch when it happens to someone he knows.

thats cause in the perfect world no one would have to kill each other, so he has to do what he needs to do to get that perfect world, if he wants to get a perfect world for the entire human population on the planet at the cost of a few enemy shinobi then whats wrong from his point of view

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once inside the genjutsu no one will have to suffer the pain he suffered

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

thats cause in the perfect world no one would have to kill each other, so he has to do what he needs to do to get that perfect world, if he wants to get a perfect world for the entire human population on the planet at the cost of a few enemy shinobi then whats wrong from his point of view

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once inside the genjutsu no one will have to suffer the pain he suffered

Sounds like a politician, no believe it, lol

 

[Dribbles]

I have a gut feeling the OP was also friendzoned

Inb4 Wonder why you're grey bar.

 

[mikeeozua]

Madara's is worse than Obito's
Gets thrashed by Hashirama; wants to create a world full of winners :/

 

[iSpeak the Truth]

I was thinking about making a similar thread but you did a great job, couldn't have said it better.

But asking the children of NB to understand such a concept is like teaching a 5 year old how to do college calculus. They are happier if things are much simpler for them.

 

[mikeeozua]

...Just no. It's not nearly that simplistic :|

OT: I don't think anyone with an ounce of common sense really believes it's only because of Rin. It's just the thing people latch onto and make fun of instead of taking the effort and typing out an entire wall of text as to why they don't like Obito's backstory.

What is madara's? Im pretty confused about it, and agreed

 

[iSpeak the Truth]

What is madara's? Im pretty confused about it, and agreed

World domination?

 

[saw2097]

Obito is actually my favorite villian. Yeah how Rin died definetly played a part in the end of his ideals.

 

[Drakengard]

The bandwagon effect is strong. The problem is that a good portion of members get their ideals off of other members instead of actually analyzing the manga itself (or perhaps they really did miss the main idea behind certain events). This is my post from a while ago:

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But let me shed some light on him for a bit. While it's true that Rin was a huge part of the process - what did it ultimately lead to? Being hospitalized by Madara, Obito slowly learns of Madara's wish: to put the world in a dream-like state where you can have all the benefits of life without the negative sides like hatred and pain. Doesn't sound bad, does it? Of course Obito isn't willing to comply yet; he has the Leaf Village and his friends to look forward too. So he stays for a couple of years(months?) until one day, where Zetsu tells him that his greatest friends were in danger. Caring for them deeply, Obito doesn't think twice about rushing to save them. He does manage to get there, but he doesn't like what he sees.

His best friend, Kakashi, killing Rin right in front of his eyes. The one thing that Obito had asked him to do after "sacrificing" himself to save Kakashi, became the exact opposite of what Kakashi did. At this point, Obito's mad. The mist's ninja are charging in to finish off Kakashi and take Rin's body as well. What does he do? Slaughters them all. Out of all of this madness, Obito begins to question why such pain should exist in this world. He had never felt true pain like this before. What was this world? He could only describe it as hell. Remember that dream-like state Madara was talking about? It looks 1000x better now.

Again while a lot of people are stressing about his overreaction to Rin's death, look a bit deeper. Throughout the chapters before Tobi's reveal, he constantly gave extra emphasis on the plan little by little. Heroes cannot guarantee the safety of everybody and their dreams? Check. Hope seems like a weak attempt at looking at reality a different way? Many people in real life think so as well. Believing this world to be corrupt beyond hope? Check. He even says that Kakashi can't be blamed, and that this is merely a fault of the world they live in.

But now there's even more ground to judge this off of. The entire start of this chapter is basically Obito slamming the harsh truth on Naruto. A lot of people will use minor events to try proving the whole idea wrong but it's obvious that a paradise is Obito's intent. If you look for the idea behind it all everything becomes easier. It's like how people are mad about Naruto's easy kage bushin feint against a 100 year old+ Kakuzu. Kishi obviously intended for Naruto to have the skill to outsmart him, the way he went about doing it was simply a clone feint.

 

[iSpeak the Truth]

The bandwagon effect is strong. The problem is that a good portion of members get their ideals off of other members instead of actually analyzing the manga itself (or perhaps they really did miss the main idea behind certain events). This is my post from a while ago:
But now there's even more ground to judge this off of. The entire start of this chapter is basically Obito slamming the harsh truth on Naruto. A lot of people will use minor events to try proving the whole idea wrong but it's obvious that a paradise is Obito's intent. If you look for the idea behind it all everything becomes easier. It's like how people are mad about Naruto's easy kage bushin feint against a 100 year old+ Kakuzu. Kishi obviously intended for Naruto to have the skill to outsmart him, the way he went about doing it was simply a clone feint.

Even though a lot of people don't get it, I'm glad that some people do.

 

[Animaeon]

You're right. The circumstances of Rin's death, a broken promise and an enemy village attacking his own friends, is a representation of the the conflict and hatred between nations, which costed him his bonds. If Rin's death itself was really his only issue, then he wouldn't go through all that trouble to put a genjutsu on everyone, nor would he complain about the alliance dissolving and that someone would just take their place and do it all over again.

Perhaps the reason why people are disappointed is because they expected more reasons. The two most memorable 'villain' characters (Nagato, Itachi) both had a very complex and intriguing backstory that revealed a number of motives, and even though it didn't justify their actions, more people were able to empathize with them and understand how they came to be. When Obito was revealed, we all knew Rin's death was going to play a huge role, but it turned out to be the only event that sparked a 180 degree change in him.

Tbh, I think we're complaining a bit too soon. I doubt Kishi is done explaining, since we always get the full story about a character after they've been defeated.

 

[Dribbles]

The bandwagon effect is strong. The problem is that a good portion of members get their ideals off of other members instead of actually analyzing the manga itself (or perhaps they really did miss the main idea behind certain events). This is my post from a while ago:
But now there's even more ground to judge this off of. The entire start of this chapter is basically Obito slamming the harsh truth on Naruto. A lot of people will use minor events to try proving the whole idea wrong but it's obvious that a paradise is Obito's intent. If you look for the idea behind it all everything becomes easier. It's like how people are mad about Naruto's easy kage bushin feint against a 100 year old+ Kakuzu. Kishi obviously intended for Naruto to have the skill to outsmart him, the way he went about doing it was simply a clone feint.

Even though some don't get it, I'm glad that some people do.

I'm tired and not in the mood, typing is really messy but at least some people get the point.

It's funny how what happened to Obito is the thing that the manga has been talking about for years now, people still don't get it, even when it happens right in front of them. Obito has been going on about it for the last 20 chapters, we had his backstory, now everyone is just like "Rin dies, world domination."

I guess it's true though, you can't really educate morons who jump on the bandwagon.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

You know guys ordinary Tsukoyomi is limited, once the chakra of the caster runs out so does the genjutsu, Obito might want Juubi as infinite battery for Infinite Tsukoyomi so he can be together forever with Rin in the dream world, the rest of humanity is merely a casualty

 

[iSpeak the Truth]

I'm tired and not in the mood, typing is really messy but at least some people get the point.

It's funny how what happened to Obito is the thing that the manga has been talking about for years now, people still don't get it, even when it happens right in front of them. Obito has been going on about it for the last 20 chapters, we had his backstory, now everyone is just like "Rin dies, world domination."

I guess it's true though, you can't really educate morons who jump on the bandwagon.

Lol thats my only disappointment about Naruto, the people that don't get it.

 

[mikeeozua]

I'm tired and not in the mood, typing is really messy but at least some people get the point.

It's funny how what happened to Obito is the thing that the manga has been talking about for years now, people still don't get it, even when it happens right in front of them. Obito has been going on about it for the last 20 chapters, we had his backstory, now everyone is just like "Rin dies, world domination."

I guess it's true though, you can't really educate morons who jump on the bandwagon.

Agreed, plus didnt kakashi ask 'How come until now?' which means why didn't he return to the village not why he did it

 

[iSpeak the Truth]

Agreed, plus didnt kakashi ask 'How come until now?' which means why didn't he return to the village not why he did it

EXACTLY! And people thought "you let Rin die" was the entire reason for his being, people are so god damn naive, hence.....my title: Ignorance is Aggravating, because it is.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

It took him all those years because he had to assemble Akatsuki and hire its' members, he had to find intel on the Jinchuurikis and various modus operandis like manipulating Mizukage, etc. it took a lot of time to get to the point of Juubi's revival, but his goal was clear: To be in genjutsu paradise with Rin!

 

[mikeeozua]

Well, yeah, Madara's resolve isn't nearly that simple. Most people just believe that because of his cocky attitude. Just read

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and I'm sure you'll change your mind.

Really nice thread, i understand him better now, i liked him but there was always one thing i was confused about and that's cleared it all up

 

[The Hidden Shinobi]

People are just retarded :| He is not doing this for rin, he is doing it because rin's death made him realise this useless reality!!! There's a big difference

Same with nagato, nagato did not join obito and make the plan of creating peace because yahiko died, yahiko's death made him release this useless reality.

It's the bloody same thing, losing the people closest to them they realised the truth of the shinobi world.

The only difference is obito's is a genjutsu which they can completely control, so if that's the case he thought he might as well make rin in this world as well because he has the chance.

Why live in a world where anything you want can come true and say hmmm nah even though rin can be revived I just won't.

People are not looking at the bigger picture and like to troll.

 

[Animaeon]

People don't bother or refuse to look at the full picture because they're just too disappointed by something. It won't change their opinion, in other words they're just too stubborn or childish.

Sawyer7mage already said it on youtube, the whole "He's doing it all because he was friendzoned" people use a lot, is just a way to throw out their frustration, because they can't accept the reasoning. It's easier to say it like that without having to explain everything, even if it's inaccurate.