about kabuto controlling madara

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I made a thread maybe about 3 in the morning saying kabutos edos were useless. Ill admit I was wrong it was simply ignorance I suppose

So Ok he's top dog with his edos I get it

But I only have one problem with the whole him controlling madara part

He failed using possibly the second strongest character in naruto which is nagato. I believe if nagato had his free will like madara this war would be over and nagato would have soloed every edo possible

My theory is this. Let's say people are right and he controls madara. Wouldn't he fail just like nagato?
He wouldn't know how to use his techs properly which would just end up getting madara sealed

In which I believe kabuto controlling his edos only result in fails period. I feel I can logically assume this
 

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I made a thread maybe about 3 in the morning saying kabutos edos were useless. Ill admit I was wrong it was simply ignorance I suppose

So Ok he's top dog with his edos I get it

But I only have one problem with the whole him controlling madara part


He failed using possibly the second strongest character in naruto which is nagato. I believe if nagato had his free will like madara this war would be over and nagato would have soloed every edo possible

My theory is this. Let's say people are right and he controls madara. Wouldn't he fail just like nagato?
He wouldn't know how to use his techs properly which would just end up getting madara sealed

In which I believe kabuto controlling his edos only result in fails period. I feel I can logically assume this
The thing is Madara is not able to release Edo Tensei unless Kabuto realeses it first.
So no Kabuto wouldn't have to controll Madara and take away his personality he puts him on auto pilot gives him a task and Madara has to do it, he can't break out of Edo before Kabuto realeses it.
 

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Kabuto is a failure. He never in point controlled Madara only summoned him. If Kabuto lets Madara do what he wants, Madara can break out at anytime. To top it off he also doesn't even know what Madara is capable of.
I agree. ill also admit that nagato only lost because of itachi. But a free willed nagato wouldn't have lost in my opinion.
 

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If kabuto gets prep time he pretty much soloes every1 1vs1. He wont need to control multiple edos and will slightly more effective. Secondly, if he controls edo madara + Nagato + Muu, who stands a chance even if they are not very effective. By some miracle u manage to defeat the edos, u will be out of chakra to face kabuto(who has sm now)
 

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Here is all you need to know about Kabuto's control over Madara.

For what ever reason People believe Kabuto isn't number 1 because "Madara can break Edo". -___- Let me school the noobs with Facts!

There is a misconception (because noobs dont read the manga) that Kabuto cannot use Madara as an edo, but that is entirely False and has been proven that he can already!

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As you can see here Madara Uchiha has indeed been Summoned Via Edo and is in fact staring his partner OBITO/TOBI in the face and is 100% fully controlled! My question is if "He can Break Edo",why didnt he break it here??? Why didnt he do anything for that matter? Ill explain why!

There are 2 different Talisman Too use when fully controlling Edo Tensei!

Orus version:

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Which makes them Obidient Killing Machines. But by doing this they lose their train of thought too execute strategies the way they would if they were "alive", in other words they are mindless puppets!

Kabutos version:

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Kabuto's version makes them keep their personality and mind in tact, which in turn allows them too utilize there powers 100% as if they were alive! But by doing it like this the summons pose a chance of getting talked into losing their souls like Sais brother and Sasori.

Those are the major difference. But!... Kabuto can use both methods any given moment! =) This is what makes him better then Oru!

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As you can see, all he has too do is make a hand sign to turn you "Off" so to speak.

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Kabuto can fully control his summons any time he please! Thus eliminating their mind completely and also using them like a "toy" one could say. Madara is no different then the others. The only reason Madara Was able too do what he did is because Kabuto Allowed him too because he wanted too see the true power of Madara Uchiha!

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As you can see he allowed madara too do what ever he pleased! And he and madara is on the same side as well Btw.
Madara was only able too break free from Edo tensei because Kabuto was out of commission and couldn't control any one for that matter because of IZANAMI!

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And as you can see here, it took him a short while too break the contract, but it takes kabuto less then a second too completely Bind you! So in other words, If kabuto was using madara and aware of the fact he was trying too break edo or might, he simply makes the !

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He can instantly Unsummon them at the drop of a dime and time he please!

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So Please SHUT THE FUQ UP ABOUT HOW "MADARA CAN BREAK EDO"! Its a fact that kabuto doesnt even have too keep there personality in tact, can turn them "off", and can unsummon them almost instantly! Plus the fact that, they are on the same team and Madara agreed too work with him testing his new powers. Only against Obito would Madara even want to "break Edo" because they are on the same team. Against any other ninja, madara would work with kabuto!

There is no such thing as Edo Madara! He is a product of kabuto and nothing more! Fact of the manga!​
 

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Didn't itach stop his planetary tech?
Solo my ass.
My point is if nagato had free will he wouldn't have lost to itachi. But that's assuming he would help kabuto in the first place.

Kabuto doesn't know the full power of the rinnegan. Which is why he allowed madara to have his free will. To see this power. I think he knows he would have failed trying to control madara and got his trump card sealed
 

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Here is all you need to know about Kabuto's control over Madara.
Man this is the reason I created this thread.

He proved to me that he can control madara.

Doesn't prove he can use him as effectively as a free willed madara

Control or not he should not have lost with nagato
He had access to intel on itachi with his spiritual weapons. That was a fail move on his behalf.

Which only proves to me that kabuto is a failure when it comes to controling his edos.

Don't be mad tho bro so was orochimaru

1st and second hokages with free will and working for oro would have destroyed hiruzen.
 

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Kabuto simply threw a wrench in Madara's plan for true resurrection but Madara just so happened to have a counter for that particular jutsu (he obviously planned ahead because well, let's be honest, he had a hell of a lot of spare time on his hands).
Kabuto only "failed " because he hadn't known there was a counter for Edo Tensei.
 

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Kabuto simply threw a wrench in Madara's plan for true resurrection but Madara just so happened to have a counter for that particular jutsu (he obviously planned ahead because well, let's be honest, he had a hell of a lot of spare time on his hands).
Kabuto only "failed " because he hadn't known there was a counter for Edo Tensei.
No in terms of failing period that was because of sasuke and itachi. My thread implys that he fails when trying to control ninja that's all
 
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