But the shinobi you mentioned were already strong before. Madara was the Uchiha born with the most powerful chakra the Uchiha Clan has ever seen. First Uchiha to unlock MS along with his brother, and the first Uchiha to tame the nine-tails. Izuna and Hashirama aided him in becoming more powerful, but in a manner unlike Kabuto's and he was already the second most powerful ninja at that time to begin with.
The same could also be said about Naruto, Sasuke, etc. Sasuke unlocked 3-tomoe sharingan and could have unlocked MS by himself. Naruto is of the Uzumaki so he definitely had some potential too.
Kabuto is virtually powerless without the powers he acquired, unlike Naruto, Sasuke, Madara, etc.
Kabuto in his prime was still defeated since his weakness was Itachi as he stated in the manga. Any Uchiha with Izanami can defeat Kabuto. The same couldn't be said about true legends like Hashi, Madara, Saru, etc.
I will admit though, in Kabuto's "prime" (if you want to call it that) he could pretty much defeat anyone with the edo tensei army. But what about without?
Itachi's already explained all of this about Kabuto very clearly in the manga and why he ended up ultimately failing.
lmao Do you know how izanami works??? DO you even know why they do not even use it in battle?
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In a 1 0n 1 fight Itachi stands no chance even with out EDo Tensei. It was a team effort, that is why Izanami was able too kick off! The manga literally shows the team work, and itachi literally says it isnt good in a actual Fight!
lmao Do you know how izanami works??? DO you even know why they do not even use it in battle?
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In a 1 0n 1 fight Itachi stands no chance even with out EDo Tensei. It was a team effort, that is why Izanami was able too kick off! The manga literally shows the team work, and itachi literally says it isnt good in a actual Fight!
They don't use it in battle, obviously. Not everyone tried to escape their destiny. Not everyone is susceptible to it. This has been stated in the manga.
Izanami was originally used as a counter to Izanagi. It doesn't work against anyone and everyone in battle, but it certainly works on Kabuto.
Itachi without edo probably would be defeated against Kabuto, but not with his own powers or legacy. I highly doubt SM Kabuto (without edo tensei) could defeat a "healthy" (healthier if you will) Itachi.
What the hell are you talking about??? What does Obito have too do with anything??????? How can Obito help him break it when he stared him down and did nothing???? He didnt even count on him breaking Edo tensei (although he wasnt shocked when he did).
DO you even read the manga???? Itachi didnt even have KA, naruto did fact of the manga!
ANd zabuza slightly hesitated, not defied of broke edo:
They don't use it in battle, obviously. Not everyone tried to escape their destiny. Not everyone is susceptible to it. This has been stated in the manga.
Izanami was originally used as a counter to Izanagi. It doesn't work against anyone and everyone in battle, but it certainly works on Kabuto.
Itachi without edo probably would be defeated against Kabuto, but not with his own powers or legacy. I highly doubt SM Kabuto (without edo tensei) could defeat a "healthy" (healthier if you will) Itachi.
For what ever reason, Allot of ppl on this site believes that itachi and sasuke could have been killed Kabuto if they wanted too. Umm no!
Lets look at the facts and the normal arsenal that Both ninjas already possess and what has been shown in the manga..
People who say "They could of amateratsu him anytime they wanted too"..
First off, Amaterasu isnt as instant as most ppl make it seem or want to believe! Every time that it has been shown in the manga Itachi And sasuke both have been shown to: 1. Close the eye FIRST, 2. Bleed from the eye second. This sequence of events is too long for any powerful shinobi let alone a super sensor fear!
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It takes awhile and happens after the eye bleeds, And gives off "pressure". Kabuto knows of this jutsu and the gap in which it takes to preform is too big.
He can and will sense the tech and prepare for a counter! Or...???
2. He could simply use the tech that sasuke used. Amaratsu doesnt burn fast (fact), so its plenty of time to use the tech (like sasuke did)
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As you can see it can be preformed fast anytime!
Here is manga FACT TO BACK MY CLAIMS UP!!!!
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With that being facts; Kabuto A. Is a super sensor B. He knows the tech takes awhile to hit C. He can simply shed his skin!
People who say genjutsu (NOT IZANAGI OR IZANAMI) Which means Tsukiyomi and other lower genjutsu..
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1. He fights with his eyes covered or closed!!! With that being said, if you cannot make eye contact you cannot hit the opponent with all regular Uchiha genjutsu techs!
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. Which is the reason why he says they have the ability to affect a ninja outside the 5 senses (directly)
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Hell this page alone is fact that they agree there old genjutsu they normaly use is not going to work! They literally admits this!!!
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For everyone that says susanoo can get the job done!..
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This could of did the job but he miscalculated..lol
2A. If Genjutsu and amaratsu (the 2 techs they use in susanoo) do not work the have to resort to physical attacks!
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As you can see are useless!! A sword to the head didnt do much but make him smile.lol
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Physical atks are useless period!
And for the dumb people who do not know how to read!!! LIGHTNING ATKS WILL NOT WORK BECAUSE he can turn from human to water and water to human!
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Not his boby is constantly water!
2B. He is a medic and a super healer!!!
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He recovers too fast to be worried about anything physical!!!
2C. He is too fast in the dodging department!!!
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A super duper fast susanoo arrow from point blank up and close a few meters away range couldnt hit kabuto!!!
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-__- You cant argue with this!!! And as you know speed has been proven to be effective against there eyes!
For everyone who says Itachi could seal him with the sword anytime he wanted too..
No!..
Like i said before! How is he going to hit him with that average speed sword???? Really??? And the FACT that it has to pierce not cut makes it that much harder!!!! Remember kabuto can turn into water or snakes instantly, with that said he could remove his abdomen out the way to make the sword go thru his body!
With all the facts i have listed There is know way outside EMS secret techs and IZAMAMI (maybe) that they could defeat him even if they wanted too!!!
So can everyone shut the hell up about that!
Counter the facts USING THE MANGA ONLY!!! Otherwise you are arguing just to hate on a cartoon character. This is not an uchiha hate thread btw, just an eye opener to the noobs! Im a big itachi fan, but i also care for other characters.
ANd because of plot no jutsu Kabuto will be defeated, not because they are better.
Re: "Kabuto can't use Edo Madara?" Don't be stupid to think Madara isn't Kabuto's Bi
It's a good thread but then again, this could've been the same case with Itachi. If your trying to say that Madara was under Kabuto's control when he was summoned and could not have released from the Edo Tensei if it was up to Kabuto, then it would've been the same thing with Itachi when he brought out the crow with Shisui's eye out of Naruto. Kabuto knew that the crow had Shisui's eye which possessed the most powerful genjutsu, Kotoamatsukami. Yet, he didn't completely manipulate Itachi before he used Kotoamatsukami. So it's actually plot :sy: Even if you tried to wipe out the history of Edo Madara, you would not be able to do it U_U
You just posted a ready-made thread you've made before on Kabuto vs. Itachi/Sasuke. That has nothing to do with what I said. When you're ready to admit that Kabuto is fodder (I've given my argument as to why I believe so), and address the rest of my posts and not just the Izanami part, I'll be waiting.
You're reading selectively but it still doesn't change the fact that:
A. Kabuto is a moocher and leech.
B. Kabuto pre-Oro powers is low-jonin level at best.
C. Kabuto is nothing without edo tensei.
D. Kabuto is completely nothing now.
E. This thread is irrelevant at this point and holds no merit or value.
It's a good thread but then again, this could've been the same case with Itachi. If your trying to say that Madara was under Kabuto's control when he was summoned and could not have released from the Edo Tensei if it was up to Kabuto, then it would've been the same thing with Itachi when he brought out the crow with Shisui's eye out of Naruto. Kabuto knew that the crow had Shisui's eye which possessed the most powerful genjutsu, Kotoamatsukami. Yet, he didn't completely manipulate Itachi before he used Kotoamatsukami. So it's actually plot :sy: Even if you tried to wipe out the history of Edo Madara, you would not be able to do it U_U
And by the time he realized what happened it was too late and itachi was already "free"
At first he thought itachi simply broke free on his own:
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Then he was like, Oh its Shusi's MS:
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He never knew about the crow, fact! By the time the crow came out and made eye contact, itachi was free, fact! He was clueless and couldnt did anything if he wanted too.
Lol, Kabuto *did* obtain others' powers. Very blatantly actually. People like Naruto didn't choose to be a jinchuriki. Anyone could have mooched under Orochimaru for years to obtain his power. Literally anyone with the intelligence could (Kabuto was admittedly highly intelligent).
That said, while technically they were Kabuto's powers that wasn't legitimately the case. Oro didn't teach him these techs, he practically grave robbed them along with infusing Oro's corpse within himself.
And yeah, granted his legacy does include being a great spy and medical ninja, mastering the edo tensei and dragon sage mode. But that's all.
Kabuto was mere fodder before, and he's probably fodder now. We'll see. I can guarantee that he lost his powers now that Orochimaru stripped him of his life force that rightfully belongs to Oro in the first place.
Ok but Naruto also does not have to use the Kurumas power now does he or any of the Jinchuriki for that matter. The powers that he has obtained are now his powers nothing more.
An you're acting as if thats some small feat to be the best spy of the leaf to be a dragon sage to master and actually prefect*this can be said because the only Uchiha that could break the jutsu is dead, along with Donzo* one of the most powerfulest jutsu ever. Yea thats nothing at all. An also he fused Madara with the 1st hokages cells making Madara much more powerful but anyone could have done those thing yea.
Kabuto is far from fodder. Fodder cant take on two Susano. An he didnt lose them he probably may have some trouble with control dragon sage mode now but again we dont know that for sure.
You just posted a ready-made thread you've made before on Kabuto vs. Itachi/Sasuke. That has nothing to do with what I said. When you're ready to admit that Kabuto is fodder (I've given my argument as to why I believe so), and address the rest of my posts and not just the Izanami part, I'll be waiting.
You're reading selectively but it still doesn't change the fact that:
A. Kabuto is a moocher and leech.
B. Kabuto pre-Oro powers is low-jonin level at best.
C. Kabuto is nothing without edo tensei.
D. Kabuto is completely nothing now.
E. This thread is irrelevant at this point and holds no merit or value.
Ok but Naruto also does not have to use the Kurumas power now does he or any of the Jinchuriki for that matter. The powers that he has obtained are now his powers nothing more.
An you're acting as if thats some small feat to be the best spy of the leaf to be a dragon sage to master and actually prefect*this can be said because the only Uchiha that could break the jutsu is dead, along with Donzo* one of the most powerfulest jutsu ever. Yea thats nothing at all. An also he fused Madara with the 1st hokages cells making Madara much more powerful but anyone could have done those thing yea.
He was one of the best spies in the leaf because he was cunning and intelligent. Not because of his power. He mastered the dragon sage mode purely because of Orochimaru's powers (and multiple others - Jugo, Suigetsu, etc). Same goes for edo tensei. Not really much of a feat. He didn't do it by himself, there's a reason why he took Oro's powers when he died.
Kabuto is far from fodder. Fodder cant take on two Susano. An he didnt lose them he probably may have some trouble with control dragon sage mode now but again we dont know that for sure.
Taking on two susano'o without an intent to kill, and with powers that again he didn't obtain himself. Stop comparing Kabuto to the likes of genuinely powerful people like Orochimaru, Hashirama, Madara. He isn't even close.
Ok but Naruto also does not have to use the Kurumas power now does he or any of the Jinchuriki for that matter. The powers that he has obtained are now his powers nothing more.
An you're acting as if thats some small feat to be the best spy of the leaf to be a dragon sage to master and actually prefect*this can be said because the only Uchiha that could break the jutsu is dead, along with Donzo* one of the most powerfulest jutsu ever. Yea thats nothing at all. An also he fused Madara with the 1st hokages cells making Madara much more powerful but anyone could have done those thing yea.
Kabuto is far from fodder. Fodder cant take on two Susano. An he didnt lose them he probably may have some trouble with control dragon sage mode now but again we dont know that for sure.
That's probably not even the official translation. Does that even make any sense?? "Also the kid with the glasses has the same power as Kakashi." No, Kakashi has made the comparison himself, Kabuto is arguably as skilled as Kakashi. Not as powerful. He wouldn't beat Kakashi in a head to head battle based on feats. I hope you at least understand this.
Yes, Madara is a moocher who was already equal in terms of power to the greatest shinobi alive before mooching. Kabuto was, is, and always will be fodder. Sorry that your favorite character was mistreated like this by Kishi. Maybe you can write him a sob story.
With Oro's powers. They also didn't have killing intent. None of their full Susano'o was ever used. Kabuto could only beat them using Edo Tensei if they had true killing intent.
You've just stated people who were legitimately strong and was portrayed as strong before they were deceased. Kabuto was not. We might as well not even call him Kabuto, he didn't even understand his true self as the manga stated. That's why he's in Izanami crying now.
To tell you it's pointless and irrelevant and you're wasting your time by making a moot thread like this. Kabuto could control Madara, big deal. Using the jutsu he stole, using the power he stole, and being a coward. He was nothing back then, and he's nothing now.
What that makes no sense they both use the power that they DO NOT have to use period.
He was one of the best spies in the leaf because he was cunning and intelligent. Not because of his power. He mastered the dragon sage mode purely because of Orochimaru's powers (and multiple others - Jugo, Suigetsu, etc). Same goes for edo tensei. Not really much of a feat. He didn't do it by himself, there's a reason why he took Oro's powers when he died.
Not really dragon sage mode would mainly be do to his Chakra control which he is great at so its not purely do to Oro's powers. An Kabuto controlling Edo tensei has nothing to do with Oros' powers. Kabuto improved the jutsu on his own if he could use his dead soul jutsu Edo Tensei wouldnt really be far off. Also using Jugo and Suigetsus power would not have depended on Oros' chakra at all. He was using their clans techniques, so I dont see where you get that from.
Taking on two susano'o without an intent to kill, and with powers that again he didn't obtain himself. Stop comparing Kabuto to the likes of genuinely powerful people like Orochimaru, Hashirama, Madara. He isn't even close.
Does it matter not really because Saskue mainly had the intent to hurt him at least an plz they couldnt even touch him even when they where attacking him. An I in no way compared him to any of those ppl I never said anything close to that so that was random.
They had to work and train to tame the powers they obtained. Being a jinchuriki is a bigger burden than you think. There has been jinchuriki who have failed at controlling the biju and even dying.
Kabuto proverbially injected himself with steroids and henceforth was able to become powerful.
Not really dragon sage mode would mainly be do to his Chakra control which he is great at so its not purely do to Oro's powers. An Kabuto controlling Edo tensei has nothing to do with Oros' powers. Kabuto improved the jutsu on his own if he could use his dead soul jutsu Edo Tensei wouldnt really be far off. Also using Jugo and Suigetsus power would not have depended on Oros' chakra at all. He was using their clans techniques, so I dont see where you get that from.
No, it was stated in the manga that Oro needed the appropriate body to master the DSM. He couldn't because he didn't have a body like Jugo's. Kabuto obtained Oro + Jugo's DNA to learn DSM. He couldn't do it beforehand because he lacked the virtue, body, power and essence.
You can't make the argument that he could have learned DSM without these things, because he didn't.
Does it matter not really because Saskue mainly had the intent to hurt him at least an plz they couldnt even touch him even when they where attacking him. An I in no way compared him to any of those ppl I never said anything close to that so that was random.
They had the intent to apprehend him, not to kill him. Hurting him is hardly anything worth consideration when they were simply trying to get him to reverse edo tensei via genjutsu.
And I was speaking in general when stating those people. Some people actually have the audacity to compare a fodder like Kabuto to the likes of true geniuses like Orochimaru, and true legends like Hashirama.
Please, Kabuto failed in unlocking the secrets of the SO6P because he couldn't even fathom that power.
