Could Itachi have taken on Hiruzen?

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Izanami doesn't work everybody, people are retarded on the base

ps: based on what I've seen from both I say Itachi, F*** Hiruzen hype
 
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old Hiruzen, v.high difficulty. prime Hiruzen, low difficulty.

yes, this is based on hype. i don't think Kishi called him the god of shinobi for nothing, or had him have all the jutsu in konoha inc a 1,000 genjutsu, or have everthing of his maxes in the databook apart from his physical attributes which obv decline with age.
 

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i hate people so much. all i have to say is this

when a rumor spreads, do you blindly believe the rumor, or do you keep it in mind but ultimately disregard it till you have PROOF ? If youre smart you ignore the rumor until provin otherwise ...... In other words, Hiruzen hype means zip
 

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I'm a big Hiruzen fan, but Itachi is just broken. Hiruzen can still win though, shadow clones seem to counter Itachi's biggest threat (tsukuyomi) not to mention if he does get caught that will give Enma a chance to counter attack. Prime Hiruzen wins. Old Hiruzen is debatable but he's at a disadvantage.
 

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i hate people so much. all i have to say is this

when a rumor spreads, do you blindly believe the rumor, or do you keep it in mind but ultimately disregard it till you have PROOF ? If youre smart you ignore the rumor until provin otherwise ...... In other words, Hiruzen hype means zip

hiruzen's hype is not rumours, it's a fact

fact no1: part 1 scaling is much weaker than part 2 scaling. look at the very first shippuden battles, deidara vs gaara. completely different level, both would have wiped the floor with pt1 itachi, hiruzen, sannin etc. yet they're nothing out of the ordinary in pt2

fact no2: specified as the god of shinobi in the databooks. called the professor for being able to use all the jutsu in konoha. called the strongest of the hokage by iruka, the strongest of the 5 kage by kabuto. has over 1,000 genjutsu. abilities in the databook maxed out apart from the physical attributes which he lost due to the fact that he's an old man. he was known for his incredible speed, strength and powerful chakra and stamina as a young man btw.

fact no3: hiruzen's performance in his lone battle was deemed pathetic compared to his lofty standards by everyone viewing the battle. he was also hesitant about destroying his disciple orochimaru and his mentors. yet he defeated two strong edo tensei and removed orochimaru as a threat to konoha, and survived for hours with a sword through his chest, showing one of the best durability feats in the manga.

fact no4: orochimaru had perfected ET ie. both hashirama and tobirama were fighting to their full capabilities. if you can't wrap your head around that, go back to fact no1.

bottom line, a part 1 character is always going to pale when compared to part 2 characters. heck, shippuden itachi would mop the floor with part 1 itachi. hiruzen's true power is a. not scaled to shippuden. and b. he didn't get to show his best. itachi did, and furthermore got a good chance to show feats beyond his true capabilities as an edo tensei.
 

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Hate to say it but Tsukuyomi solos this weak user or the uchiha fire style jutsu.

Oh, I forgot- Totsuka blade solos.
 
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And you're not a fanboy with no proof.Itachi>Hiruzen,why?Tsuku owns his ass.
You mad fanboy? Hiruzen knows all leaf jutsu, maybe he can pull something off e.g. a barrier.
 

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I think we can't compare Itachi with Hiruzen. Old geezer was pretty strong but we don't know if he could escape from Itachis tsukyomi. I think old geezer is capable of defeating Itachi.
 

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I think we can't compare Itachi with Hiruzen. Old geezer was pretty strong but we don't know if he could escape from Itachis tsukyomi. I think old geezer is capable of defeating Itachi.

EXACTLY. Agreed 100%
 

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You mad fanboy? Hiruzen knows all leaf jutsu, maybe he can pull something off e.g. a barrier.

I think the one mad is you mate,you're clearly an Itachi hater.I'm not a fanboy,a barrier against tsuku witch only requires eye contact?.I don't want to bring susano'o in this or Yata mirror...Itachi>Hiruze.U mad hater?And he can't do something he never showed in the manga.
 
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Tsukoyomi can be countered by simply not making eye contact with the caster, it's not so hard even Might Guy did it by looking at Itachi and Kisame through the water's reflection.
 

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hiruzen's hype is not rumours, it's a fact

fact no1: part 1 scaling is much weaker than part 2 scaling. look at the very first shippuden battles, deidara vs gaara. completely different level, both would have wiped the floor with pt1 itachi, hiruzen, sannin etc. yet they're nothing out of the ordinary in pt2

fact no2: specified as the god of shinobi in the databooks. called the professor for being able to use all the jutsu in konoha. called the strongest of the hokage by iruka, the strongest of the 5 kage by kabuto. has over 1,000 genjutsu. abilities in the databook maxed out apart from the physical attributes which he lost due to the fact that he's an old man. he was known for his incredible speed, strength and powerful chakra and stamina as a young man btw.

fact no3: hiruzen's performance in his lone battle was deemed pathetic compared to his lofty standards by everyone viewing the battle. he was also hesitant about destroying his disciple orochimaru and his mentors. yet he defeated two strong edo tensei and removed orochimaru as a threat to konoha, and survived for hours with a sword through his chest, showing one of the best durability feats in the manga.

fact no4: orochimaru had perfected ET ie. both hashirama and tobirama were fighting to their full capabilities. if you can't wrap your head around that, go back to fact no1.

bottom line, a part 1 character is always going to pale when compared to part 2 characters. heck, shippuden itachi would mop the floor with part 1 itachi. hiruzen's true power is a. not scaled to shippuden. and b. he didn't get to show his best. itachi did, and furthermore got a good chance to show feats beyond his true capabilities as an edo tensei.

But im not going by power scaling between part one and two at all.
By feats itachi wins, thats what i go by
I dont discredit Hiruzens win against the edos but we all know it would be different if 1-3 kages were thought through more as characters.
 

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Itachi owns this with no sharingan. He does the great fireball jutsu and Hiruzen is dead then he takes a burned Enma home for family dinner with Sasuke.
 

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No he cannot. Unless hiruzen is unable to deal with amaterasu.
 
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