Could Itachi have taken on Hiruzen?

[Kages]

So you're just using assumptions. Nice.

Give me the manga scan where Enma was stated to be capable to get through Yata Mirror

Show me where Madara uses amaterasu. Or Izuna. Or Shisui. Because only Itachi and Sasuke have been shown to use amaterasu.

Furthermore, does Hiruzen carry scrolls with him like Jiraiya does? No, so the fire contract seal is out of question

You need Amaterasu to use Susanoo, ergo Madara can use it

 

[PretaPath]

Primes Hiruzen beats Itachi no diff

 

[Strata Uchiha]

Sorry....Itachi doesn't even need Susanoo to defeat Hiruzen.

 

[KidGamer65]

Sorry....Itachi doesn't even need Susanoo to defeat Hiruzen.

This.

 

[Shikamaru1994]

Most people on here are Hashirama fanboys, explaining the top 3 thing

That's because, unlike hiruzen, hashirama is justified. Madara never mentions the weakling hiruzen, when it come to defeating him. People go on OH HIRUZEN IS A GOD, because fodder iruka said so. Well, Madara, A TRUE GOD, actually said hashi is good. So please. Hashi fanboys have WAY better rights that hiruzen fanboys. Hiruzen has no feats given to him besides the one satted by Iruka the fodder, whereas Hashi has plenty stated by madara, A TOP 3 shinobi. Iruka, top 9000000, versus Madara, top 3, in terms of intellect and presence. yeah, hiruzen is nothing.

 

[Kages]

Sorry.... Hiruzen only needs Taijutsu to beat Itachi.

 

[insid3rkil3r]

Sorry....Itachi doesn't even need Susanoo to defeat Hiruzen.

this

 

[PretaPath]

Sorry....Itachi doesn't even need Susanoo to defeat Hiruzen.

Hiruzen is the god of shinobis while Itachi is an ex anbu and a criminal

 

[Kages]

That's because, unlike hiruzen, hashirama is justified. Madara never mentions the weakling hiruzen, when it come to defeating him. People go on OH HIRUZEN IS A GOD, because fodder iruka said so. Well, Madara, A TRUE GOD, actually said hashi is good. So please. Hashi fanboys have WAY better rights that hiruzen fanboys. Hiruzen has no feats given to him besides the one satted by Iruka the fodder, whereas Hashi has plenty stated by madara, A TOP 3 shinobi. Iruka, top 9000000, versus Madara, top 3, in terms of intellect and presence. yeah, hiruzen is nothing.

Iruka>Madara. Haha jk. But, to acknowledge someone you dont have to be strong for it to be true

 

[Blaze Release]

Hiruzen fans, you do not want me as your enemy i can assure you. Once you start getting absurd stating old hiruzen beats itachi you know you are trolling. The mofo has a 3 for speed in the databook ffs. He isn't keeping up with itachi's ninjutsu execution let alone ms ability.

Base itachi beats old Hiruzen

 

[JIRAIYA perv]

You're basing things on hype alone... and yet you make it seem like it's so crystal clear and that you have proof provided to back your statement, yet you have nothing.

Orochimaru said it himself ; the Itachi that he has faced back then is stronger than him even now.... and yet Itachi had 5 years to get stronger... the gap may be even bigger than it was.

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No matter how you want to look at it, no matter how the fight turned out... Itachi is according to Orochimaru stronger than him, that is it.


Now then, Old Hiruzen had to take extreme mesure in order to ''tie'' with Orochimaru, he died in the process. Sure Sarutobi was strong.... but he did loose to Orochimaru,

Which makes Orochimaru stronger than him.... yet Orochimaru even with everything he has/had to disposal considers that Itachi is superior to him.

Itachi is stronger than the Orochimaru who was stronger than old Sarutobi.


Itachi is no match to old Hiruzen??? Bullshit.

Given the fight that he gave, Itachi would without a doubt win against Sarutobi, the best Hiruzen could hope for is a tie by commiting suicide using the Death,s god... that is all.

Now... Prime Hiruzen.... what exactly is prime Hiruzen? It's nothing more than a Hiruzen with perhaps more speed and chakra.... he doesnt become superman.

Tsuchikage is old as ****, yet his experience payed off in the end.... he may have gotten weaker here and there... but he got stronger somewhere else.


Itachi rapes old Hiruzen,

And i dont see why he wouldnt defeat prime Hiruzen either.


Current Madara is a god, he could wipe armys and kages all alone.... had Hiruzen been on such level, other villages would have been at Konoha's mercy long ago. Prime Hiruzen's hype is disgusting sadly.... I love the old man but people are making him out to be something that he just isnt,

tooo long .... oh god, oro did say it but that was when oro was weak, now as much as i like itachi he has done nothing that puts him in hiruzen's league also his postion in the story is clear (he is not on that level) and i don't even know why people think his up there. you need to calm down coz even itachi was hyped and ya remember how he ran from jiraiya convinced that the best he can do is a tie (on a lucky day), listen man itachi simply is not on a healthy oro's or jiraiya's level .... close but not quite there. now hiruzen is stronger than them in his prime so logically that puts a gap between him and itachi. the oro itachi took out (and thats not even a good proof for you coz that wasn't really a fight) is not the same oro that fought hiruzen (plus the edo's he had), do you understand this ?? do you understand the level hiruzen has to be on to handle that situation in an old state (a joke to his prime) ??

 

[Kages]

Last time I saw Itachi and Hiruzen together, Itachi was BEGGING for Sasuke's life. Thats all you need to know

 

[PretaPath]

Hiruzen fans, you do not want me as your enemy i can assure you. Once you start getting absurd stating old hiruzen beats itachi you know you are trolling. The mofo has a 3 for speed in the databook ffs. He isn't keeping up with itachi's ninjutsu execution let alone ms ability.

Base itachi beats old Hiruzen

Lol stupid fanboy. His speed was 3 when he was old. In his prime he was probably 5. Enma soloes

 

[GiantShuriken]

Itachi can possibly rape Hiruzen in 3Tomoe. With MS techs its not even fair.

 

[Omnipotent]

You need Amaterasu to use Susanoo, ergo Madara can use it

Give me the manga scan where Enma was stated to be capable to get through Yata Mirror, third time now

Fire contract seal is out of question. If Enma's not immediately summoned at the start of battle, Hiruzen is fodderized by amaterasu.

 

[Kages]

Hiruzen fans, you do not want me as your enemy i can assure you. Once you start getting absurd stating old hiruzen beats itachi you know you are trolling. The mofo has a 3 for speed in the databook ffs. He isn't keeping up with itachi's ninjutsu execution let alone ms ability.

Base itachi beats old Hiruzen

Hiruzen has a 5 in everything but Strength, Speed, and Stamina. Strength- he found Enma to be heavy Stamina- Anbu stated he doesnt have enough chakra Speed- Old age. They would all be 5's in my book if he was in his prime

 

[Dantee]

Lol ok whats with all the Hiruzen threads. I half heartdly even mean half the things I say about him. The people who attack Hiruzen needs to stop posting.

 

[Shikamaru1994]

Iruka>Madara. Haha jk. But, to acknowledge someone you dont have to be strong for it to be true

That's why I said presence. Iruka is retarded compared to Madara. Therefore, it is CLEARLY much more evident to side with the one who is clearly smarter and knowledgeable. Therefore, for all these reasons, Itachi>Hiruzen. I'm really not down to debate anymore. I just see it impossible for him to lose. It's my opinion and I will forever stick to it, unless more info is revealed in the future manga.

 

[OnPoint]

Nagato was just as strong as he was, if not, stronger. Being an Edo gives you an advantage. Instant regeneration and unlimited chakra. Hmmmm

Being controlled limits your ability in combat, obviously. Nagato was never at full potential because Kabuto was controlling his every move, turning him into nothing but a simple minded, robotic enemy. How fodder would Shikamaru be if Orochimaru took full control over him, removing his top-level intelligence? People need to act autonomously to use their full potential. Being fully controlled totally removes their unique and effective fighting styles. Hashirama, who grew up in an era of unrelenting war and violence [

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], was tagged by a mere paper bomb. You know, the man who fought the Sharingan's precognitive abilities in the form of EMS Madara. You think what we saw was the real thing? Laughable. If you can't understand that a shinobi's brain is as important as their body, then meh.

I'm yet to see you state these 'feats' which allow old Hiruzen to stomp Itachi with 'low diff'.

 

[Kages]

Give me the manga scan where Enma was stated to be capable to get through Yata Mirror, third time now

Fire contract seal is out of question. If Enma's not immediately summoned at the start of battle, Hiruzen is fodderized by amaterasu.

You know, you can move while you are burned by Amaterasu. They never said Enma can get through Amaterasu. That part is assuming Yata Mirror is weaker than diamond. Most of this is just assuming, as we know very little of Hiruzen