Could prime Hiruzen have defeated Orochimaru and his Edos?

[Exaar]

I'm not sure if it's stated somewhere, but when was Hiruzen's prime exactly? I think he was 55 or something when Minato/Kushina died, but i suppose he already passed his prime at that moment

I'm Guessing his prime is around 30-40 Years old.

 

[Bijuu13]

if the edos remain the same yes.
But if the 1st and 2nd use all their potential its game over for Hiruzen, again

 

[Bogard]

I'm Guessing his prime is around 30-40 Years old.

Ok if we rate his prime at that moment, it means that Minato and Kushina were between baby and akademy, so they could not have teach him sealing techniques at that moment. It means that if he had sealing techniques, he probably learned it from others i suppose

 

[Bijuu13]

Ok if we rate his prime at that moment, it means that Minato and Kushina were between baby and akademy, so they could not have teach him sealing techniques at that moment. It means that if he had sealing techniques, he probably learned it from others i suppose

Naruto will be the only hokage without sealing lol. Im pretty sure he had sealing even without Minato or Kushinas help. Most-All kages do

 

[Exaar]

Ok if we rate his prime at that moment, it means that Minato and Kushina were between baby and akademy, so they could not have teach him sealing techniques at that moment. It means that if he had sealing techniques, he probably learned it from others i suppose

Also as i remember, Lady mito was alive untill kushina came to the village as a child, So she lived to quite a good age, So she was around during hiruzen's prime or atleast his younger days and could of taught her some of her sealings techs.

Also some other powerful sealing could of been left behind in the forbidden scroll that naruto stole back in part one.

 

[MickNerks]

Wow! First of all the databook says that the fight could have been differently, not that it would have. Second of all, it still doesn't change the fact that Hiruzen knows no fuuinjutsus to get rid of the Edo Tenseis (if he knew any other ones he wouldn't have used Shiki Fuujin now would he?)

Edit: Wow, either people are purposely being biased, or their reading/comprehension skills are that of a grade schooler. When the databook makes that statement, it is talking about Sandaime's use of the Shiki Fuujin, hence its comment, "...difference between life and death... is age" Orochimaru lived because of Sarutobi's age. Had Sarutobi been younger, then he could have pulled out all of Orochimaru's soul instead of just partial. The scan even concludes and surmises by pretty much saying, "nonetheless, Sarutobi laid down a harsh punishment for Orochimaru by sealing his use of jutsus (paraphrased)".



Lol, no. So many people say this that it isn't even funny anymore. Logic 101: a ninja can only use ninjutsus inside his element. Hiruzen is Doton/Katon, therefore we won't see him using a suiton jutsu. Therefore he hasn't mastered all of Konoha's ninjutsus. Never did it state that he was capable of using all of Konoha's jutsus either, that's just fanboys misinterpreting a statement.

And you said this easily gives him over 1000 jutsus? Name 1000 jutsus in Naruto, canon and non canon alike... Oh wait, you can't huh?


Summary: It would have been the same, the only way for him to get rid of the Edo Tenseis is to seal them. The only Fuuinjutsu he knows is Shiki Fuujin, so he still dies. Even fanboys must understand this most basic logic.

Your logic is soooo stupid... This is why.

Nagato is said to have mastered all elements, yet you havent seen him use lightning, water, or fire techs. But by your logic we should believe he can do it because the manga hasnt shown it.

 

[The Hidden Shinobi]

I still don't think he would of won, it would have been the same result. But the battle before he realised he could not win would be longer and more intense.

 

[Naruto king of Shinobi]

Ok now I approve you are a super troll all your thread is even worse everyday trolling everyday huh orichmaro alone solo prime 3 rd hokage plzz are you a 3rd hokage fan too -.-

No way in hell would orochimaru solo Prime hiruzen

 

[MickNerks]

Make sense but you forget one thing. Neither Minato, nor Kushina were existing in his prime to begin to teach him sealing techniques to begin with :|

Ok if we rate his prime at that moment, it means that Minato and Kushina were between baby and akademy, so they could not have teach him sealing techniques at that moment. It means that if he had sealing techniques, he probably learned it from others i suppose

Mito Uzumaki

 

[Exaar]

I still don't think he would of won, it would have been the same result. But the battle before he realised he could not win would be longer and more intense.

Doesn't matter what you think, The databook thinks otherwise.

 

[Omnipotent]

Nah, unless it can be proven that Hiruzen knew of Reaper Death Seal before Minato himself used it.

And even then, he'd still be committing a murder-suicide, so it's a tie at best in Hiruzen's case.

But I still don't see how he's getting close to Hashirama or Tobirama ...

Wow! First of all the databook says that the fight could have been differently, not that it would have. Second of all, it still doesn't change the fact that Hiruzen knows no fuuinjutsus to get rid of the Edo Tenseis (if he knew any other ones he wouldn't have used Shiki Fuujin now would he?)

Edit: Wow, either people are purposely being biased, or their reading/comprehension skills are that of a grade schooler. When the databook makes that statement, it is talking about Sandaime's use of the Shiki Fuujin, hence its comment, "...difference between life and death... is age" Orochimaru lived because of Sarutobi's age. Had Sarutobi been younger, then he could have pulled out all of Orochimaru's soul instead of just partial. The scan even concludes and surmises by pretty much saying, "nonetheless, Sarutobi laid down a harsh punishment for Orochimaru by sealing his use of jutsus (paraphrased)".



Lol, no. So many people say this that it isn't even funny anymore. Logic 101: a ninja can only use ninjutsus inside his element. Hiruzen is Doton/Katon, therefore we won't see him using a suiton jutsu. Therefore he hasn't mastered all of Konoha's ninjutsus. Never did it state that he was capable of using all of Konoha's jutsus either, that's just fanboys misinterpreting a statement.

And you said this easily gives him over 1000 jutsus? Name 1000 jutsus in Naruto, canon and non canon alike... Oh wait, you can't huh?


Summary: It would have been the same, the only way for him to get rid of the Edo Tenseis is to seal them. The only Fuuinjutsu he knows is Shiki Fuujin, so he still dies. Even fanboys must understand this most basic logic.

I think he just ended the thread

 

[Exaar]

Nah, unless it can be proven that Hiruzen knew of Reaper Death Seal before Minato himself used it.

And even then, he'd still be committing a murder-suicide, so it's a tie at best in Hiruzen's case.

But I still don't see how he's getting close to Hashirama or Tobirama ...

regarding what you said about sealing, Read my previous posts.

 

[The Hidden Shinobi]

Doesn't matter what you think, The databook thinks otherwise.

Did the data book say "orochimaru" or "that battle", does anyone have the scan, I just want to read it

 

[TrollingSage]

Doubt it. Even if he had unlimited chakra and knew a thousand other sealing techs,he'll have to kill the edos or restrain them before he can seal them away. Personally I don't see how he would have gotten out of BOD if Oro had taken him seriously instead toying with him and even encouraging him to show him his new jutsu. What the databook says could mean he would have taken Oro's soul instead of just his arms.

 

[Exaar]

Did the data book say "orochimaru" or "that battle", does anyone have the scan, I just want to read it

Go back to the first page of this thread, it's posted there.

 

[Omnipotent]

regarding what you said about sealing, Read my previous posts.

Yes, I understand that you assume that Hiruzen had other sealing techniques than Reaper Death Seal. Okay.

As the "God of Shinobi" hype puts him above DSM Kabuto, Obito, and EMS Madara. Heck, he should be #1 on all top 10 lists. Right? Right?

Naw

 

[The Hidden Shinobi]

Go back to the first page of this thread, it's posted there.

Hmm well I agree with bogard, it implies if hiruzen was younger hiruzen would have been able to seal orochimaru completely.

 

[Exaar]

I think he just ended the thread

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Quote Originally Posted by Chef Boy RD View Post
Wow! First of all the databook says that the fight could have been differently, not that it would have. Second of all, it still doesn't change the fact that Hiruzen knows no fuuinjutsus to get rid of the Edo Tenseis (if he knew any other ones he wouldn't have used Shiki Fuujin now would he?)

Edit: Wow, either people are purposely being biased, or their reading/comprehension skills are that of a grade schooler. When the databook makes that statement, it is talking about Sandaime's use of the Shiki Fuujin, hence its comment, "...difference between life and death... is age" Orochimaru lived because of Sarutobi's age. Had Sarutobi been younger, then he could have pulled out all of Orochimaru's soul instead of just partial. The scan even concludes and surmises by pretty much saying, "nonetheless, Sarutobi laid down a harsh punishment for Orochimaru by sealing his use of jutsus (paraphrased)".



Lol, no. So many people say this that it isn't even funny anymore. Logic 101: a ninja can only use ninjutsus inside his element. Hiruzen is Doton/Katon, therefore we won't see him using a suiton jutsu. Therefore he hasn't mastered all of Konoha's ninjutsus. Never did it state that he was capable of using all of Konoha's jutsus either, that's just fanboys misinterpreting a statement.

And you said this easily gives him over 1000 jutsus? Name 1000 jutsus in Naruto, canon and non canon alike... Oh wait, you can't huh?


Summary: It would have been the same, the only way for him to get rid of the Edo Tenseis is to seal them. The only Fuuinjutsu he knows is Shiki Fuujin, so he still dies. Even fanboys must understand this most basic logic.

Not really.

What he say's it true it say's it could have, But this implys he has a chance, This alone is huge for a 59year old who is past his prime.

My other posts on this thread explains that he might have other fuuinjutsus, because he has only shown one doesn't mean this man who mastered all leaf jutsu's can only use one sealing tech.

Again he is saying He hasn't show it so he doesn't have it, Even disagreeing with the manga in his 1000+ Jutsu's simply because we cannot name over 1000.

No one questions kakashi's 1000 Jutsu's or so on.
By this logic kakashi's nickname of Copy ninja is completely flawed since we cannot name over 1000 Jutsu's.

 

[GiantShuriken]

With current hype, Edo Hashirama solos low diff.

But back then yeah, Hiruzen would have won.

 

[TrollingSage]

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Quote Originally Posted by Chef Boy RD View Post
Wow! First of all the databook says that the fight could have been differently, not that it would have. Second of all, it still doesn't change the fact that Hiruzen knows no fuuinjutsus to get rid of the Edo Tenseis (if he knew any other ones he wouldn't have used Shiki Fuujin now would he?)

Edit: Wow, either people are purposely being biased, or their reading/comprehension skills are that of a grade schooler. When the databook makes that statement, it is talking about Sandaime's use of the Shiki Fuujin, hence its comment, "...difference between life and death... is age" Orochimaru lived because of Sarutobi's age. Had Sarutobi been younger, then he could have pulled out all of Orochimaru's soul instead of just partial. The scan even concludes and surmises by pretty much saying, "nonetheless, Sarutobi laid down a harsh punishment for Orochimaru by sealing his use of jutsus (paraphrased)".



Lol, no. So many people say this that it isn't even funny anymore. Logic 101: a ninja can only use ninjutsus inside his element. Hiruzen is Doton/Katon, therefore we won't see him using a suiton jutsu. Therefore he hasn't mastered all of Konoha's ninjutsus. Never did it state that he was capable of using all of Konoha's jutsus either, that's just fanboys misinterpreting a statement.

And you said this easily gives him over 1000 jutsus? Name 1000 jutsus in Naruto, canon and non canon alike... Oh wait, you can't huh?


Summary: It would have been the same, the only way for him to get rid of the Edo Tenseis is to seal them. The only Fuuinjutsu he knows is Shiki Fuujin, so he still dies. Even fanboys must understand this most basic logic.

Not really.

What he say's it true it say's it could have, But this implys he has a chance, This alone is huge for a 59year old who is past his prime.

My other posts on this forum explains that he might have other fuuinjutsus, because he has only shown one doesn't mean this man who mastered all leaf jutsu's can only use one sealing tech.

Again he is saying He hasn't show it so he doesn't have it, Even disagreeing with the manga in his 1000+ Jutsu's simply because we cannot name over 1000.

No one questions kakashi's 1000 Jutsu's or so on.
By this logic kakashi's nickname of Copy ninja is completely flawed since we cannot name over 1000 Jutsu's.

Even if he has a 1000 more sealing techs, he'll still have to kill or restrain the edos to seal them.
Secondly Oro himself is dam near impossible to kill. Unless Hiruzen has tbb or jinton or a jutsu that rivals them in his 1000 jutsu arsenal, he cant kill Oro. Lastly its bleeding obvious that the databook statement meant Hiruzen would have taken Oro's life instead of just his hands with RDS.