Theory - Using Gedō Mazō/Jūbi

[OnPoint]

Well, I don't usually make many theories but i've decided to throw down a few ideas regarding Gedō Mazō/Jūbi. There's a summary at the end of the first section if you're unable to read the thread completely.

The theory essentially revolves around there being two, distinct requirements to using Gedō Mazō:

• Something that lets you summon it
• Another which gives you a high level of control over it.

Both functioning in their own unique way. Now, it seems to me that the only prerequisite for summoning Gedō Mazō is wielding the Rinnegan. You could be a member of the Aburame clan and have the potential to summon the statue the moment you implant the Rinnegan into your eye sockets. Simply being a Rikudō (having both Uchiha and Senju Blood) won't allow you actually summon the statue. Gedō Mazō translates to the Demonic Statue of the Outer Path - and the Outer Path (Gedō) is the 7th path of the Rinnegan (which is fulfilled by the Preta, Animal, Naraka, Human, Asura and Deva Paths). Madara, even after combining both Uchiha and Senju Blood, could only summon ('break the seal' as he puts it) Gedō Mazō after awakening the Rinnegan:

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I did a bit of exploring interms of direct translations and I came across this:

zetsu: nagato comes from one senju family line \\ he is the only person capable to summon the heretical demonic statue besides madara\\

This further highlights the idea that it is the Rinnegan which allows you to summon the statue, not simply possessing Senju and Uchiha DNA, since Nagato lacked the latter. We never saw Obito, who Madara claimed would be able to rule over the statue with Rikudō blood alone, summon the statue during his time in Akatsuki/before obtaining the Rinnegan. This ability was limited to Nagato/Pain.

However, merely possessing the Rinnegan would give you limited control over Gedō Mazō, I believe. While the Rinnegan allows for the Mazō's summoning, Senju & Uchiha blood seems to be what gives the higher degree of control. We know that Obito's Gedō (Outer Path) binding was stronger than Nagato's:

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It makes no sense for the reason Obito's is stronger being that he is an Uchiha, since it's been confirmed that the Rinnegan belongs to both Uchiha and Senju. Obito even had one less Rinnegan than Nagato, yet his binding was stronger. Also, Madara chose Nagato, an Uzumaki, as a temporary housing for his eyes - if he felt that an Uchiha would be better suited to using this transplanted dōjutsu then he would've sought one out, since this was well before the Uchiha clan massacre. The most probable reason why Obito's Outer Path is stronger than Nagato's is because he possesses both the Rinnegan and Rikudō blood - he meets the two requirements for fully using the Demonic Statue. We've already spoken about Madara's words and how Obito (by having Uchiha and Senju DNA coursing through his veins) could control a summon of the Rinnegan even without possessing this eye. A direct translation:

madara: probably you will be able to control the demonic statue even without activating the rinnegan\\

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There is no mention of pre-Rinnegan Obito being able to summon it.

To summarize; Possessing the Rinnegan alone will enable you to summon Gedō Mazō, but you won't be able to control it well, whilst having Uchiha and Senju blood only (with no Rinnegan) will let you control the statue well, but you cannot summon it. Only those who have both the Samsara Eye and Rikudō DNA can use the statue in its entirety (War-arc Obito and Madara).

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The second part of my theory looks at the actual abilities of Gedō Mazō/Jūbi. In the latest chapter, we saw Neji die by the Mokuton Sashiki jutsu:

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Some have said that the Jūbi was able to use the Wood Style by itself - i'm not so sure about this. I'm more inclined to believe that Obito was able to use and ultimately amplify his jutsu via the 10 tails. He raised his arm as if to begin using the technique himself.

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In a somewhat similar fashion to how he used it in 'Hell':

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It wouldn't be the first time we would've witnessed something along these lines. The abilities of Nagato's soul ripping dragon (which, for some reason, remained nameles) seemed suspiciously similar to his Ningendō - stealing someone's soul upon contact:

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Perhaps it may be announced that when connected to Gedō Mazō, the user can project their techniques through it.

 

[Supreme x Uchiha]

Nice Theory..I agree

 

[Anakin Skywalker]

good theory :ice:

 

[Memoria]

I don't fully agree with the summoning/controlling part, but we pretty much share the same ideas about the other things like Obito using Mokuton through the Juubi. Overall a well-written theory. Liked it.

 

[OnPoint]

I don't fully agree with the summoning/controlling part, but we pretty much share the same ideas about the other things like Obito using Mokuton through the Juubi. Overall a well-written theory. Liked it.

Alright, but for what reason?

 

[Memoria]

Alright, but for what reason?

I believe that if you can somehow summon it then you will have some kind of control over it, but I could be wrong...

 

[OnPoint]

I believe that if you can somehow summon it then you will have some kind of control over it, but I could be wrong...

Yeah, i've said that if you are like Nagato (who has the Rinnegan, can summon it but lacks Uchiha DNA) then you can somewhat control the statue but the level of control will be limited.

 

[Narutofan4203]

Great theory, but Uchiha Blood and Senju body, not the other way around

 

[OnPoint]

Great theory, but Uchiha Blood and Senju body, not the other way around

Senju cells (which people entwine into their bodies) is basically Senju DNA/Blood.

 

[Bogard]

Nice theory and i agree with you when you say it's Obito the one who used Mokuton sashiki, not the Juubi. If you notice, it's the same jutsu he used here(Zetsu also talks about Mokuton Sashiki):

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It's only that he amplified the power

 

[Memoria]

Yeah, i've said that if you are like Nagato (who has the Rinnegan, can summon it but lacks Uchiha DNA) then you can somewhat control the statue but the level of control will be limited.

The bold is also something that I don't fully agree with. I don't know but I believe that as long as you have the Rinnegan (Eyes) and Senju/Hashirama's DNA (Body) you will have what can be called true control over the Gedo Mazo.

 

[Out Of Ctrl]

Nice theory to read. Agreeable mate.

 

[OnPoint]

The bold is also something that I don't fully agree with. I don't know but I believe that as long as you have the Rinnegan (Eyes) and Senju/Hashirama's DNA (Body) you will have what can be called true control over the Gedo Mazo.

Ok, so why did Madara claim the statue can't be handled easily without Senju & Uchiha DNA and why was Obito's Gedō (Outer Path) stronger than Nagato's (when he even has one less eye)?

 

[Memoria]

Ok, so why did Madara claim the statue can't be handled easily without Senju & Uchiha DNA and why was Obito's Gedō (Outer Path) stronger than Nagato's (when he even has one less eye)?

Well, since Madara talked about their 'powers' and not necessarily their 'DNA', the Uchiha's powers are in their "Eyes", which they represent anyway, while the Senju's are in their DNA (Body). At least that's what I believe.

Not sure about the second part, but you have a point.

 

[Icelerate]

@Noddy: Well done and I agree with your theory. I'll spread rep when I can.

Well, since Madara talked about their 'powers' and not necessarily their 'DNA', the Uchiha's powers are in their "Eyes", which they represent anyway, while the Senju's are in their DNA (Body). At least that's what I believe.

Not sure about the second part, but you have a point.

No Uchiha DNA is also important as are the eyes. This is one reason why an Uchiha will suffer less drawbacks when using the sharingan compared to a non Uchiha such as Kakashi.

 

[Memoria]

@Noddy: Well done and I agree with your theory. I'll spread rep when I can.


No Uchiha DNA is also important as are the eyes. This is one reason why an Uchiha will suffer less drawbacks when using the sharingan compared to a non Uchiha such as Kakashi.

Point taken. But Uchiha's DNA is not as important as their eyes. For example, by simply having Uchiha's DNA inside you, you won't have their eye powers, you get what I mean?

 

[Disquiet]

You're most likely right, you should have mentioned the Inifinite Tsukuyomi. It further concretes your theory. Will give rep when I can.

 

[-Logic-]

Great thread. In fact, it can be proved to be right since Tsukuyomi will be used while being synced with Gedo Mazo, which is essentially the Jubi, thus allowing the Tsukuyomi to be used through it, and amplifying the Tsukuyomi to the extent that it will ultimately become the Mugen Tsukuyomi...​

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[Enton]

nice theory man.

 

[OnPoint]

Well, here's another translation of Madara's words to Obito:

Madara: "You cannot awaken the Rinnegan without having the powers of both the Senju and the Uchiha. You cannot fully control the Demonic Statue without them either. The right half of your body is infused with Senju cells... Even if you don't have the Rinnegan, you should be able to control the Demonic Statue."

Seems like Rikudō blood really is the key to controlling the statue well.