ImNoOne
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I see Kabuto in top 10 all the time, granted he had DSM with him but mostly he is there because of Edo Tensei. People constantly evoke that Edo Tensei is so OP that it grants you a place high in the top 10.
Well the truth is Tobirama and Orochimaru also had Edo Tensei, and despite common belief the technique itself hasn't evolved since it was created.
It still needs a living sacrifice, and it consists of calling a soul from the other world and bound it to the impure world. That is Edo Tensei, the rest is not Edo Tensei.
What people name the ability to have the most lethal and powerful Shinobi of all times fighting for you has nothing to do with Edo Tensei, from the strictly conseptual point of view what grants Kabuto and Orochimaru that ability is the secondary technique that is used in combination with Edo Tensei, and that technique is what enables them to control the dead they summon. Remember the kunay?
Now here comes my point. Kabuto claims to have perfected Edo Tensei beyound Orochimaru's. What he means is that he is able to control better than Orochimaru did. I mean to prove otherwise. And for that I'll use the following example;
Now Madara said that one should be careful when resorting to techniques such as Edo Tensei, if the person knows the right signs you'll have problems. This in itself labels Kabuto as an idiot that did not understand Edo Tensei and was millennia behind Orochimaru mastering the controlling technique.
Yes it's true that if the person knows the right seals you're in trouble, but you are bound to be aware of that once you learn the technique. It is also true that Kabuto might have not known before he summoned Madara that Madara knew the technique, although...
Kabuto was right there and should have recognised the sound of those alarm bells ringing.
Eitherway, what does that have to do with Orochimaru?
Can you see the guy on the right? Is there any doubts as whether he knew the signs needed in order to break Edo Tensei's grip? Does that say anything about how far behind Orochimaru Kabuto stands?
Now my final point, and arguably the most interesting. You might be saying, do not compare Tobirama to Madara, there is no way to compare how hard it should be to control one and the other. Madara's Sharingan and Rinnegan would render any controlling technique useless.
As far as the sharingan is concerned it probably doesn't make any difference but I agree that the Rinnegan might complicate things. My point is not that Tobirama would be as hard to control as Madara (Although Hashirama might have been close and I don't think he had no intel on his brothers technique) but rather that he knew precisely that and that was the sole (or maybe 70% of the) reason why when he faced Hiruzen he didn't brought Madara with him.
Yes I just claimed that Orochimaru had Madara all that time, and I mean to prove it.
In order to preform Edo Tensei one needs two things:
- A living sacrifice; this should have posed no difficulties to Orochimaru.
- A viable DNA sample of the person you are trying to bring from the dead.
Well the thing about DNA is that if it isn't preserved it decays fast. It is true that one can find DNA inside bone marrow, so Kabuto might have found Madara's Lair and dig up the bones of Madara.
The problem with this is:
One thing is bone marrow DNA, it can withstand many years without decaying drastically, another completely different matter is soft tissue such as which Madara would have implanted from Hashirama onto himself. The Soft tissue of Hashirama's DNA on Madara's body should have decayed and putrified and it's remainings and traces gone in no longer than a year.
The fact that Kabuto knows about them by itself is proof that it wasn't Kabuto who found out about that, it was Orochimaru. The only one capable at Madara's death to be wondering about on his own... For all we know Kabuto was still a baby if born at all at this time.
So the reason why we never seen Orochimaru pulling out Edo Madara must have been because Orochimaru knew far better than Kabuto that controlling Madara would have proven to be near impossible. Which doesn't make Orochimaru weaker than Kabuto regarding Edo Tensei but only wiser.
Any questions?
Well the truth is Tobirama and Orochimaru also had Edo Tensei, and despite common belief the technique itself hasn't evolved since it was created.
It still needs a living sacrifice, and it consists of calling a soul from the other world and bound it to the impure world. That is Edo Tensei, the rest is not Edo Tensei.
What people name the ability to have the most lethal and powerful Shinobi of all times fighting for you has nothing to do with Edo Tensei, from the strictly conseptual point of view what grants Kabuto and Orochimaru that ability is the secondary technique that is used in combination with Edo Tensei, and that technique is what enables them to control the dead they summon. Remember the kunay?
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Now here comes my point. Kabuto claims to have perfected Edo Tensei beyound Orochimaru's. What he means is that he is able to control better than Orochimaru did. I mean to prove otherwise. And for that I'll use the following example;
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Now Madara said that one should be careful when resorting to techniques such as Edo Tensei, if the person knows the right signs you'll have problems. This in itself labels Kabuto as an idiot that did not understand Edo Tensei and was millennia behind Orochimaru mastering the controlling technique.
Yes it's true that if the person knows the right seals you're in trouble, but you are bound to be aware of that once you learn the technique. It is also true that Kabuto might have not known before he summoned Madara that Madara knew the technique, although...
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Kabuto was right there and should have recognised the sound of those alarm bells ringing.
Eitherway, what does that have to do with Orochimaru?
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Can you see the guy on the right? Is there any doubts as whether he knew the signs needed in order to break Edo Tensei's grip? Does that say anything about how far behind Orochimaru Kabuto stands?
Now my final point, and arguably the most interesting. You might be saying, do not compare Tobirama to Madara, there is no way to compare how hard it should be to control one and the other. Madara's Sharingan and Rinnegan would render any controlling technique useless.
As far as the sharingan is concerned it probably doesn't make any difference but I agree that the Rinnegan might complicate things. My point is not that Tobirama would be as hard to control as Madara (Although Hashirama might have been close and I don't think he had no intel on his brothers technique) but rather that he knew precisely that and that was the sole (or maybe 70% of the) reason why when he faced Hiruzen he didn't brought Madara with him.
Yes I just claimed that Orochimaru had Madara all that time, and I mean to prove it.
In order to preform Edo Tensei one needs two things:
- A living sacrifice; this should have posed no difficulties to Orochimaru.
- A viable DNA sample of the person you are trying to bring from the dead.
Well the thing about DNA is that if it isn't preserved it decays fast. It is true that one can find DNA inside bone marrow, so Kabuto might have found Madara's Lair and dig up the bones of Madara.
The problem with this is:
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One thing is bone marrow DNA, it can withstand many years without decaying drastically, another completely different matter is soft tissue such as which Madara would have implanted from Hashirama onto himself. The Soft tissue of Hashirama's DNA on Madara's body should have decayed and putrified and it's remainings and traces gone in no longer than a year.
The fact that Kabuto knows about them by itself is proof that it wasn't Kabuto who found out about that, it was Orochimaru. The only one capable at Madara's death to be wondering about on his own... For all we know Kabuto was still a baby if born at all at this time.
So the reason why we never seen Orochimaru pulling out Edo Madara must have been because Orochimaru knew far better than Kabuto that controlling Madara would have proven to be near impossible. Which doesn't make Orochimaru weaker than Kabuto regarding Edo Tensei but only wiser.
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