Dusk Crow Genjutsu doesn't exist

[Bogard]

Since people often fail to realise it, i decided to created this thread to prove once and for all that the Dusk crow genjutsu that some people think is another asset of Itachi's move doesn't really exist, not really that it doesn't exist but that there is a huge misconception concerning the jutsu, so huge that the description of the genjutsu is totally different than his real effect. People think that this genjutsu is cast without eye contact, but it's far from the truth. The truth is that eye contact is still needed, but the eye contact is between the Sharingan Itachi prepares on the crow and the eye of the target. I will try to explain it carefully in detail as much as i can.


- Here is where Naruto is caught in the genjutsu

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Notice the red part i circled. It's to show the Sharingan eye of the crow. Kishi purposely draw that to show us that it's that Sharingan eye which was used to put Naruto in the genjutsu. Now you may ask where does this Sharingan eye come from? Simple. It was Shisui's eye that Itachi implanted in the crow in question:

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- Now i'll show the pic preceding the moment where Naruto was caught in the genjutsu:

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If you look closely at the yellow circle i draw, it represents the crow in question you see on the pic after. The exclamation mark i draw(orange part) is to show that Naruto did notice it at the last second, but it was already too late and it's at that moment where he made eye contact and was caught by the genjutsu

Hope you enjoyed reading U_U

 

[Summer]

Already knew this but still nice to see you making it clear for anyone who did not.

 

[Kages]

Then why would you say it doesn't exist if it's a Genjutsu? xd I'm confused

 

[Bogard]

Already knew this but still nice to see you making it clear for anyone who did not.

Nice to know there are some people with comon sense here xd

Then why would you say it doesn't exist if it's a Genjutsu? xd I'm confused

Read the thread and you will understand

 

[Ngylle]

still is a genjutsu and people will fall for it.

 

[Kages]

Nice to know there are some people with comon sense here xd


Read the thread and you will understand

I read it AGAIN it was confusing at first but now I get it haha

 

[Bogard]

still is a genjutsu and people will fall for it.

Never said the contrary. The purpose of the thread is only to clear up some misconceptions concerning the jutsu

I read it AGAIN it was confusing at first but now I get it haha

Nice then

 

[The Alchemist]

Good thread. I think Shisui's eye will be of great use to Naruto.

 

[Bogard]

Good thread. I think Shisui's eye will be of great use to Naruto.

Thanks, but Naruto doesn't have Shisui's eye anymore :|

 

[Blaze Release]

Nope wrong. The illusion was all an illusion and yes, that also included the crow with the sharingan. That was an illusion. Within an illusion you can do almost anything. Its within this illusion, when naruto was being trolled did itachi i presume summon shisui's eye and seal KA in him. Tbh it should be obvious that itachi doesn't keep a bunch of crows under his cloak.

Next is that it isn't the second time that itachi's crow has contained the sharingan. Right after the naruto scenario, he met sasuke and note the crow on his shoulder. That crow also contained the sharingan

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What you are basically saying is that after itachi used shisui's eye to cast an illusion on naruto, he then sealed it within naruto. However how come he has another crow with the sharingan .

Also note that shisui's eye has been embedded with a genjutsu already which is to protect konoha, before it was given to naruto. The eye had already been rigged with genjutsu purposely for sasuke, therefore i doubt this same eye can be used for another genjutsu whilst its yet to use the previous genjutsu embedded into it. Perhaps one's freed from the previous genjutsu, can it be used for genjutsu again.


I like the idea of you giving us shisui's eye in battle though

 

[LegendaryAce]

Nope wrong. The illusion was all an illusion and yes, that also included the crow with the sharingan. That was an illusion. Within an illusion you can do almost anything. Its within this illusion, when naruto was being trolled did itachi i presume summon shisui's eye and seal KA in him. Tbh it should be obvious that itachi doesn't keep a bunch of crows under his cloak.

Next is that it isn't the second time that itachi's crow has contained the sharingan. Right after the naruto scenario, he met sasuke and note the crow on his shoulder. That crow also contained the sharingan

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What you are basically saying is that after itachi used shisui's eye to cast an illusion on naruto, he then sealed it within naruto. However how come he has another crow with the sharingan .

Also note that shisui's eye has been embedded with a genjutsu already which is to protect konoha, before it was given to naruto. The eye had already been rigged with genjutsu purposely for sasuke, therefore i doubt this same eye can be used for another genjutsu whilst its yet to use the previous genjutsu embedded into it. Perhaps one's freed from the previous genjutsu, can it be used for genjutsu again.


I like the idea of you giving us shisui's eye in battle though

Can't give you rep but nice again - will become your fan

 

[Bogard]

Nope wrong. The illusion was all an illusion and yes, that also included the crow with the sharingan. That was an illusion. Within an illusion you can do almost anything. Its within this illusion, when naruto was being trolled did itachi i presume summon shisui's eye and seal KA in him. Tbh it should be obvious that itachi doesn't keep a bunch of crows under his cloak.

Notice that the environment directly change between the first and the second pic, between the pic where Naruto notice(exclamation mark) and when kishi show us that sharingan. You think Kishi showed us that sharingan for nothing? No, it was again a hint to show when the genjutsu started, to show what made that genjutsu to happen, to show the sharingan basically

Next is that it isn't the second time that itachi's crow has contained the sharingan. Right after the naruto scenario, he met sasuke and note the crow on his shoulder. That crow also contained the sharingan

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I must admit that i didn't notice this page before, but it doesn't change my first point. The thing you must notice here is that Sasuke wasn't in a genjutsu at that moment, which means the sharingan we see on that pic was really seen. Maybe he controlled that crow with basic genjutsu, who knows? We've already seen that when Sharingan takes control of someone, Sharingan appears in their eyes(Manda, Kyubi, etc). It's the only way i can explain this anyway since i don't think it's possible to cast control someone with the sharingan to put someone else in a genjutsu. Or at worse, he did implanted other sharingans on his crows since after Uchiha massacre there were sharingans everywhere. So it's not far-fetched to think Itachi took some of them with him.

Nice for you to have shown me that pic anyway. It gave me another idea of topic i should create concerning it

But anyway, the difference with Naruto is that you think he was already in a genjutsu from the start and that it's for this reason that we see the sharingan in question, a point i believe it's wrong. The point i'm making is that on the pics i've shown, he used the same crow we saw later in the fight against Nagato to put Naruto in a genjutsu and took advantage of when he was in the genjutsu in question to make the crow enter Naruto's body thru his mouth

Also note that shisui's eye has been embedded with a genjutsu already which is to protect konoha, before it was given to naruto. The eye had already been rigged with genjutsu purposely for sasuke, therefore i doubt this same eye can be used for another genjutsu whilst its yet to use the previous genjutsu embedded into it. Perhaps one's freed from the previous genjutsu, can it be used for genjutsu again.

It's KA which works one time alone in a decade, not basic sharingan genjutsu. He used basic Shisui's genjutsu to put Naruto in the genjutsu, then with the command of KA, put the crow in Naruto's mouth. Also notice that Itachi even self admitted that he wasn't able to use KA at that time, which is another proof that it was a basic sharingan genjutsu that he used thru Shisui's eye at that moment

I like the idea of you giving us shisui's eye in battle though

No problem, but again don't forget that Itachi never got the chance to be able to use Shisui's eye when he was alive. It's for this reason that he only put a command and transfered it into Naruto so that it would activate when the time comes

 

[2big]

either way is easyily supported i like both ideas naruto is clumbsy as hell so he could look a bird in the eye or maybe itachi has a superiour genjutsu idk

 

[Blaze Release]

Notice that the environment directly change between the first and the second pic, between the pic where Naruto notice(exclamation mark) and when kishi show us that sharingan. You think Kishi showed us that sharingan for nothing? No, it was again a hint to show when the genjutsu started, to show what made that genjutsu to happen, to show the sharingan basically

First mistake is you thinking itachi keeps a family of crows under his cloak. That has to be uncomfortable AF.
You dwell on kishi showing us the sharingan, however that can be explained in many reasons. It can be explained by saying that was all an illusion with possibly the other crow's also containing sharingan (already showed you this in the previous image), or that is shisui's eye which was sealed in naruto. It doesn't remotely lead to your assumptions, not when other assumptions can be made.

It is all an illusion. His karasu bunshin was used as a median for genjutsu whilst itachi was at the uchiha hideout. Note something important which is that, after what happened there was no feathers in sight, apart from the karasu bunshin distorting back into crows and leaving.

I must admit that i didn't notice this page before, but it doesn't change my first point. The thing you must notice here is that Sasuke wasn't in a genjutsu at that moment, which means the sharingan we see on that pic was really seen. Maybe he controlled that crow with basic genjutsu, who knows? We've already seen that when Sharingan takes control of someone, Sharingan appears in their eyes(Manda, Kyubi, etc). It's the only way i can explain this anyway since i don't think it's possible to cast genjutsu via another thing/person. Or at worse, he did implanted other sharingans on his crows since after Uchiha massacre there were sharingans everywhere. So it's not far-fetched to think Itachi took some of them with him.

Dafuq you are clutching at strays, i highly doubt itachi helped him self to spare sharingans after the massacre like, what danzo and obito did. Secondly why would itachi cast an illusion on his crows to control them. He also has a contract with them, there is no need to control them. However lets say he can control with sharingan genjutsu and that explains why the crow had the sharingan, but what is stopping me from saying he did this also with naruto. Your way of getting past the image iv'e shown you is moot.

But anyway, the difference with Naruto is that you think he was already in a genjutsu from the start and that it's for this reason that we see the sharingan in question, a point i believe it's wrong. The point i'm making is that on the pics i've shown, he used the same crow we saw later in the fight against Nagato to put Naruto in a genjutsu and took advantage of when he was in the genjutsu in question to make the crow enter Naruto's body thru his mouth.

You really have no evidence of this. The so called evidence of this is moot. Perhaps finding a way to explain, fully how after the encounter with naruto, itachi once again has a crow with the sharingan. You based your assumption on the crow with the sharingan and yet you admitted that you didn't see the image i posted coming. Once you somehow explain that image thoroughly will you make a stronger case.

It's KA which works one time alone in a decade, not basic sharingan genjutsu. He used basic Shisui's genjutsu to put Naruto in the genjutsu, then with the command of KA, put the crow in Naruto's mouth. Also notice that Itachi even self admitted that he wasn't able to use KA at that time, which is another proof that it was a basic sharingan genjutsu that he used thru Shisui's eye at that moment

I dont think you understand, im not arguing ka. Im saying that itachi had rigged that eye with genjutsu already with the command to protect konoha. You are basically saying that after rigging the eye with genjutsu, itachi can still use with that eye. You are then basically stating that, one sharingan which already has genjutsu bestowed upon it, can still be used for genjutsu. I do not believe this at all. Believe after the genjutsu already embedded in it has been used is it free to use genjutsu again.

No problem, but again don't forget that Itachi never got the chance to be able to use Shisui's eye when he was alive. It's for this reason that he only put a command and transfered it into Naruto so that it would activate when the time comes

I dont think you understand, im even thinking whether to continue arguing this because its in my favour actually. Not only are you wrong, if i decide that you are right, that makes itachi even stronger if he summon shushi's eye though not for ka, but for sharingan genjutsu and we know that sharingan genjutsu is superior than handseal based genjutsu. It means he basically has a third eye, but also this third eye can catch almost anybody because the crow can fly in any direction and make eye contact.

Btw for a better understanding of that confrontation i suggest you read chapter 403, its also clearer