Hashirama rumor?

[Awesome Face]

who cares ?

Your educator does.

 

[MickNerks]

No way he can to all the ninjutsu in konoha, that would mean he can to all 5 natures that is only shown by nagato who has rinnegan.

Actually it is possible. Kakashi said It is possible to learn all nature types, its just hard to do. And kakashi is able to use 3 out of 5 nature.

Hiruzen calling himself the best... Don't know if that should count. Kabuto changed his mind in part 2 then. The rest? Don't think they were alive to ever see Hashirama go full out to compare to Hiruzen.

Kabuto didn't change his mind. He only said hash had fairytale power, but he never called hash the strongest kage.

 

[Kristjan]

Well the manga says he can.

Kishi gave him the title of "God of shinobi" for a reason.

Hiruzen was also called The Professor (プロフェッサー, Purofessā), due to his mastery of all forms of shinobi combat,and his vast knowledge of techniques, purportedly knowing all the techniques within Konoha

Well its from wiki and i know its not the best proof.
It dosent say anywhere he can peform all the natures not even in manga.

 

[Omnipotent]

first of all I was talking about kurama, hashirama could not control kurama so mito had to seal it within herself. Hashirama himself made refrence to kuramas power, by saying it was to great.

Hiruzen eliminates flowering tree world by katon. By eliminating the flower u render the jutsu usrless.. mokuton is useless against hiruzen thanks to enma.. enma snaps mokuton like twigs.lol

What? What he's saying is that he cannot let Kurama roam free any longer, after his fight with Madara:

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He has to breathe for his larger-scaled katon jutsu; he gets knocked out. And you must not know just how large flower tree world is (it's a dense forest that's created near instantaneously as stated by Tsunade), he'd have to inhale at some point. Then he gets knocked out:

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And you also must not know what mokuton clone jutsu was:

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How would Enma protect him from that? If it took EMS Madara to see through it (and nobody else could, this includes sensors like Tobirama), do you think Hiruzen or even Enma would see it coming? When all of the five Kage couldn't see through it, and nobody else but EMS Madara has been stated to be capable of seeing through it? No.

We don't know how he counters flower world, Since he has never seen him at full power in his prime.

As i said, because he cannot see through wood clones doesn't mean he would get "impaled" by them.

So, Hiruzen doesn't have a counter for it, basically.

And why not?

 

[Kristjan]

Your educator does.

okei, good to know

 

[Exaar]

Hiruzen was also called The Professor (プロフェッサー, Purofessā), due to his mastery of all forms of shinobi combat,and his vast knowledge of techniques, purportedly knowing all the techniques within Konoha

Well its from wiki and i know its not the best proof.
It dosent say anywhere he can peform all the natures not even in manga.

The bold kinda does.

Hiruzen has Earth/fire.

Wind Jutsu's exist within the leaf, So has suiton, So does raiton.

 

[Midday]

I said, tell me how he counters them.

Once again, how does he counter flower power jutsu? He doesn't, he gets knocked out.

How does he counter mokuton clone jutsu? He doesn't, he gets impaled.

I'm tired of people thinking Flower world is this one shot technique it's not, Onoki broke out of it due to will power which I doubt Hiruzen lacks. He could also get out of range using enma's staff or knock Hashirama out of the way with the staff just like the Kyuubi.

 

[Omnipotent]

I'm tired of people thinking Flower world is this one shot technique it's not, Onoki broke out of it due to will power which I doubt Hiruzen lacks. He could also get out of range using enma's staff or knock Hashirama out of the way with the staff just like the Kyuubi.

Yes, but had it not been for jinton, how would he have dispersed the pollen? I don't remember Hiruzen having jinton to disperse the pollen; it's likely he would just be knocked unconscious again.

Onoki's shown getting up slowly, is that not enough time for mokuton clone jutsu to impale him?

And Hashirama can't dodge? Remember, as stated by Tsunade, the forest is formed near instantaneously. Ignore the hyperbole.

 

[Midday]

Yes, but had it not been for jinton, how would he have dispersed the pollen? I don't remember Hiruzen having jinton to disperse the pollen; it's likely he would just be knocked unconscious again.

Onoki's shown getting up slowly, is that not enough time for mokuton clone jutsu to impale him?

And Hashirama can't dodge? Remember, as stated by Tsunade, the forest is formed near instantaneously. Ignore the hyperbole.

He doesn't have to hit Hashirama he could also do my first option which was use the staff to get out of the technique. Onoki got out with will power and that alone, he used Jinton after waking up.

 

[sage22]

Ok just wanted to point this out nobody still have been able to prove this wrong.

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[Slug Princess Tsunade]

To Hiruzen fanboys:

If you believe he was the strongest, answer me: Why he retreated? He was only 56-57 ( Tsunade is now 55 ) when Minato became the 4th. The reason why he retreated was that Minato surpassed him.

 

[Omnipotent]

He doesn't have to hit Hashirama he could also do my first option which was use the staff to get out of the technique. Onoki got out with will power and that alone, he used Jinton after waking up.

Who said he would have Enma summoned prior to this occurring?

I know, but he was getting up slowly, and he needed jinton to disperse the pollen. Which means if the pollen were to stay around he would have been knocked unconscious again. Furthermore, mokuton clone jutsu would impale Hiruzen when he's getting up if it's a serious fight; Hashirama would recognize Hiruzen as a threat.

 

[MickNerks]

Hiruzen was also called The Professor (プロフェッサー, Purofessā), due to his mastery of all forms of shinobi combat,and his vast knowledge of techniques, purportedly knowing all the techniques within Konoha

Well its from wiki and i know its not the best proof.
It dosent say anywhere he can peform all the natures not even in manga.

He is said to have known all jutsu in the leaf. That means all nature type techniques.

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What? What he's saying is that he cannot let Kurama roam free any longer, after his fight with Madara:

And what did he do after making that statement???? Mito sealed kurama into herself.

He has to breathe for his larger-scaled katon jutsu; he gets knocked out. And you must not know just how large flower tree world is (it's a dense forest that's created near instantaneously as stated by Tsunade), he'd have to inhale at some point. Then he gets knocked out:

if oonoki could over power the pollen's effects, im 100% sure that hiruzen who is juiced up on the will of fire can easily resist its effects as well. And even still, he could always get enma to raise him over the flower part of the tree and burn it down from above.

And you also must not know what mokuton clone jutsu was:

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How would Enma protect him from that? If it took EMS Madara to see through it (and nobody else could, this includes sensors like Tobirama), do you think Hiruzen or even Enma would see it coming? When all of the five Kage couldn't see through it, and nobody else but EMS Madara has been stated to be capable of seeing through it? No.

You speak as though hiruzen isnt a sensor as well. Did you not see him sense hashirama and tobirama while locked in the bringer of darkness technique.. He is very capable of sensing his enemies out. And the clones are just clones, he can still destroy them. they arnt imortal beings.

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And also dont forget hiruzen has shadow clones of his own. How can hashirama deal with 5 prime hiruzens with enma staff's.

 

[TheTailedSage]

Stfu all that means is hashirama was the only one who could beat Madara nothing else

Who else can beat madara :l

 

[Tormound]

He is said to have known all jutsu in the leaf. That means all nature type techniques.

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And what did he do after making that statement???? Mito sealed kurama into herself.



if oonoki could over power the pollen's effects, im 100% sure that hiruzen who is juiced up on the will of fire can easily resist its effects as well. And even still, he could always get enma to raise him over the flower part of the tree and burn it down from above.



You speak as though hiruzen isnt a sensor as well. Did you not see him sense hashirama and tobirama while locked in the bringer of darkness technique.. He is very capable of sensing his enemies out. And the clones are just clones, he can still destroy them. they arnt imortal beings.

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And also dont forget hiruzen has shadow clones of his own. How can hashirama deal with 5 prime hiruzens with enma staff's.

By hitting them once to make them disperse... (-_-*)

 

[MickNerks]

To Hiruzen fanboys:

If you believe he was the strongest, answer me: Why he retreated? He was only 56-57 ( Tsunade is now 55 ) when Minato became the 4th. The reason why he retreated was that Minato surpassed him.

Hiruzen was the longest reigning hokage that konoha ever had.. He gave his position to minato because minato was capable of filling the position. I dont think you are suppose to have it until you die. That just how ifs been turning out. Tobirama named hiruzen his successor before he died. And p.s hiruzen was 69.. almost 70 year old and defeated a sannin and 2 previous hokage in thier prime..smh

Who said he would have Enma summoned prior to this occurring?

I know, but he was getting up slowly, and he needed jinton to disperse the pollen. Which means if the pollen were to stay around he would have been knocked unconscious again. Furthermore, mokuton clone jutsu would impale Hiruzen when he's getting up if it's a serious fight; Hashirama would recognize Hiruzen as a threat.

Just so you know, i am talking about a hiruzen in his prime. But summoning enma would be no problem for hiruzen, he was able to summon enma while being completely restrained. Hiruzen could use katon to destroy tree flower. Clones dont pose threat to hiruzen, they are just clones and he has clones of his own.

 

[Tormound]

Ok just wanted to point this out nobody still have been able to prove this wrong.

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Wasn't that considered somewhat unreliable since it said by Iruka. Because if you idolize your hokage you're sort of gonna say that they are the best. Same for other villages.

 

[Omnipotent]

He is said to have known all jutsu in the leaf. That means all nature type techniques.

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And what did he do after making that statement???? Mito sealed kurama into herself.



if oonoki could over power the pollen's effects, im 100% sure that hiruzen who is juiced up on the will of fire can easily resist its effects as well. And even still, he could always get enma to raise him over the flower part of the tree and burn it down from above.



You speak as though hiruzen isnt a sensor as well. Did you not see him sense hashirama and tobirama while locked in the bringer of darkness technique.. He is very capable of sensing his enemies out. And the clones are just clones, he can still destroy them. they arnt imortal beings.

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And also dont forget hiruzen has shadow clones of his own. How can hashirama deal with 5 prime hiruzens with enma staff's.

Yes, Mito sealed Kurama into herself to prevent events such as Madara's attack against Hashirama ever happening again.

He woke up, yes, but do you recognize how long it took him to get up? Oh wait, he didn't even get up, he had to use jinton. That's more than enough time for himself to get impaled by mokuton clone jutsu.

It took EMS Madara to see through it, and only he has been stated to be able to do this, meaning Hiruzen can't see through it. They're referring to EMS, the dojutsu, which Hiruzen just doesn't have. So he doesn't see through it, and he gets impaled. Simple as that.

Enma is a summon, there's only one of him. Five of Hiruzen get taken out by flower power jutsu, that's just a waste of Hiruzen's chakra.

Hiruzen was the longest reigning hokage that konoha ever had.. He gave his position to minato because minato was capable of filling the position. I dont think you are suppose to have it until you die. That just how ifs been turning out. Tobirama named hiruzen his successor before he died. And p.s hiruzen was 69.. almost 70 year old and defeated a sannin and 2 previous hokage in thier prime..smh




Just so you know, i am talking about a hiruzen in his prime. But summoning enma would be no problem for hiruzen, he was able to summon enma while being completely restrained. Hiruzen could use katon to destroy tree flower. Clones dont pose threat to hiruzen, they are just clones and he has clones of his own.

And what has Hiruzen in his prime been shown to do? Nothing. Where did I say it would be a problem? Clones don't pose a threat to Hiruzen? When this happened to Tsunade, all five of the Kage couldn't see through this, and only EMS Madara has ever been stated to have been capable of seeing through it:

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[MickNerks]

By hitting them once to make them disperse... (-_-*)

There ninjutsu, taijutsu, and genjutsu are all supperior to hashirama's. Prime hiruzen clones would give hashirama HELL!!!.. especially if they have enma.. how can hashirama respond after getting caught by shadow possesion jutsu, mind transfer jutsu, or hiruzen unlocking his 7th gate and wreaking havoc on hashirama. He cant respond.

 

[Exaar]

Wasn't that considered somewhat unreliable since it said by Iruka. Because if you idolize your hokage you're sort of gonna say that they are the best. Same for other villages.

I will say this again since you seem to fail to understand iruka's statement.

This was not iruka's own opinion, Iruka was stating other peoples opinion on hiruzen, Hiruzen also backed up what iruka said by telling him not to talk about the past.