Hashirama rumor?

[Tormound]

My point is madara stated is irrelevant cuz we have seen other shinobi make similar and most important that statement has nothing to do with the other kages.

But unlike other shinobis Madara is the strongest we have ever seen. Thus giving his statement a little more credibility than others. If the 5 kages couldn't beat Madara, I doubt Hiruzen can.

 

[mun]

But unlike other shinobis Madara is the strongest we have ever seen. Thus giving his statement a little more credibility than others. If the 5 kages couldn't beat Madara, I doubt Hiruzen can.

hashi > 5 kages combined
ems madara > 5 kages combined
hiruzen = only 1 kage
5 kage > hiruzen

 

[DeadManWonderLand]

Who started or got the ideas that hashirama is or was the strongest hokage? A lot of people say kishi changed his mind or whatever but where in the manga do anyone get the idea that hashirama was better than any other kage?
Can someone please give me some actually facts

Hiruzen was stated to the the strongest kage of his generation and later on hashi was declared the strongest shinobi ever.

 

[Jonesbaby21]

It means he is the strongest name someone who can beat madera alone besides the first.....

 

[Slug Princess Tsunade]

Who started or got the ideas that hashirama is or was the strongest hokage? A lot of people say kishi changed his mind or whatever but where in the manga do anyone get the idea that hashirama was better than any other kage?
Can someone please give me some actually facts

Trust me, he was the best.

We don't know how strong Tobirama was.
Hiruzen was the weakest Hokage. ( I'm talking about the feats, not about the hype )
Minato was fast....
Tsunade... well she is Tsunade. Strong, but not as strong as Hashi.

 

[Midday]

r u stupid? hashirama's mokuton dragon is stronger than madaras dragons

learn to read the manga, hashi dragon stopped a full power kyubi and madara couldnt stop kyubi with only half its power

No it isn't. Hachibi even said it's binding power is the same as Hashirama.

 

[sage22]

these hiruzen fanboys r so fking dumb its sad, anyone with a brain knows hashi is stronger than hiruzen.
and whats up with you fanboys saying "PRIME HIRUZEN" this or that bro sorry to tell you, prime or not hiruzen did not get weaker orstronger, age doesn't factor into anything, he doesnt lose any techniques as he age. It's embarrassing to even compare hiruzen to hashi, he got owned by orchimaru LOL? seriously? Orchimaru got owned by 1 technique by itachi, hes so fking weak and you fanboys claim that the third is the "strongest" ninja when he can't even beat orchimaru
and hiruzen isn't even stronger than the fourth hokage, hiruzen in the manga acknowledges the fourth's power and knew he couldn'tstop the kyubi

3 things
One is u said a-b-c logic work in naruto. Either ur stupid or trolling either way I won't reply again 2 u.
Second we are talking about hashirama not hiruzen read the topic post.
Finally fanboys aren't claiming anything. True fact is the manga the databook and the anime all said hiruzen was the strongest. Where or when was that statement disproven.

 

[sage22]

But unlike other shinobis Madara is the strongest we have ever seen. Thus giving his statement a little more credibility than others. If the 5 kages couldn't beat Madara, I doubt Hiruzen can.

Ok 3 things for u also.
1 hashirama never fought edo madara. Edo madara is at least 5 times stronger than ems madara.
2 After madara wood clone was capture he even acknowledge that they kage deserve the title.
3 just cuz hashirama was able to defeat madara doesn't necessarily mean he is stronger or can beat anyone else.

 

[sage22]

Hiruzen was stated to the the strongest kage of his generation and later on hashi was declared the strongest shinobi ever.

Sike bro stop lying. Actually iruka stated that hashirama was the strongest hokage the leaf ever had. The first databook state the same thing n it says that hashirama was the strongest of his time. If I'm wrong give me manga pages.

 

[sage22]

It means he is the strongest name someone who can beat madera alone besides the first.....

Hashirama didn't even defeat ems madara alone. The point is the manga said hiruzen was the strongest n since hashirama got a power up people are assuming that statement isn't true anymore idk y tho.

 

[sage22]

Trust me, he was the best.

We don't know how strong Tobirama was.
Hiruzen was the weakest Hokage. ( I'm talking about the feats, not about the hype )
Minato was fast....
Tsunade... well she is Tsunade. Strong, but not as strong as Hashi.

Lol funny kishi disagrees with u

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[LegendaryAce]

Ill make it as simple so you understand

Hashirama > all the kages
Minato > all besides hashirama ( Tobirama don't know)
Hiruzen> arguably beats the rest
Tsunade > I say can beat hiruzen but you know ...
Tobirama ( I rank him last because I really don't know where to put him

If you disagree tell me how .. If you think hiruzen tell me how .. If you can't then stop posting .. Don't count reaper death seal because it would be a draw ..

 

[Shīnju]

on naruto storm generation when madara and hashi were fighting the voice talking stated that he was the strongest kage to ever live ...

 

[sage22]

I don't care what anyone says if your called a god then nothing else can compare. Not being a fairytale a legend or an icon or myth none of those things come close. Nagato called himself a god n tho he does have godly powers its not the same being known as a god. The fact that his best student the same guy who was supposed to be 4th hokage thought that to defeat his senior sensei he had to use the supposedly most powerful jutsu to bring back both hiruzen sensei's and still fail to complete his goal against the same hiruzen that could barely do kage bushin. Yet people doubt his prime cuz they haven't seen it.

 

[sage22]

Ill make it as simple so you understand

Hashirama > all the kages
Minato > all besides hashirama ( Tobirama don't know)
Hiruzen> arguably beats the rest
Tsunade > I say can beat hiruzen but you know ...
Tobirama ( I rank him last because I really don't know where to put him

If you disagree tell me how .. If you think hiruzen tell me how .. If you can't then stop posting .. Don't count reaper death seal because it would be a draw ..

Kishi disagree with u also

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[LegendaryAce]

Kishi disagree with u also

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Strongest hokage can mean alot of things ..

Then again you can't tell me how he beats hashirama so we are done

I could also give you scans of hashirama being called

Was hailed as the best shinobi
Was the strongest of his time
His powers were of that of a fairy tale

He beat madara and 9 tails ( hiruzen struggled with 9 tails)
He can make a forest instantly
Can heal without hand seals
Has alot of chakra
Can also use suiton and Doton
Wood dragon
Mokuton clones

Need I go on? No that alone is far superior than that of hiruzen

Clearly your delusional and see manga words as absolute but sometimes it may mean differently than you think

Also the fight with oro hashirama had no control of himself whatsoever so that in no way counts hiruzen > hashirama

With your logic hiruzen is number 1 top 10 ?
Or hiruzen is second to so6p ... With all hashiramas hype I think he more than sits on the strongest hokage

.. There are alot of things I can say to show you that a writer for a big manga like Naruto could change what he means to big up a person at a certain point


Hiruzen was called the strongest because he needed hype to die with had he died without hype he would have been seen as weak and you wouldn't know why the leaf was that strong

Neji (r.i.p) was called the strongest or something in k11 meaning he beats Naruto and sasuke

Byakugan > sharingan but now noone would say that besides Ima few things

Gaaras defence the strongest people can break through it

Madara the strongest and juubi the strongest they both will be stopped

Tobi was hyped up sooo much but now he doesn't seem as strong as his hype insisted - he is top 3 don't get me wrong thats after he got the rinnegan though

Alot more things but I am tired some things I might have messed up or got wrong since I going by memory than researching on the computer ( on the phone)

 

[sage22]

Strongest hokage can mean alot of things ..

Then again you can't tell me how he beats hashirama so we are done

I could also give you scans of hashirama being called

Was hailed as the best shinobi
Was the strongest of his time
His powers were of that of a fairy tale

He beat madara and 9 tails ( hiruzen struggled with 9 tails)
He can make a forest instantly
Can heal without hand seals
Has alot of chakra
Can also use suiton and Doton
Wood dragon
Mokuton clones

Need I go on? No that alone is far superior than that of hiruzen

Clearly your delusional and see manga words as absolute but sometimes it may mean differently than you think

Also the fight with oro hashirama had no control of himself whatsoever so that in no way counts hiruzen > hashirama

With your logic hiruzen is number 1 top 10 ?
Or hiruzen is second to so6p ... With all hashiramas hype I think he more than sits on the strongest hokage

.. There are alot of things I can say to show you that a writer for a big manga like Naruto could change what he means to big up a person at a certain point


Hiruzen was called the strongest because he needed hype to die with had he died without hype he would have been seen as weak and you wouldn't know why the leaf was that strong

Neji (r.i.p) was called the strongest or something in k11 meaning he beats Naruto and sasuke

Byakugan > sharingan but now noone would say that besides Ima few things

Gaaras defence the strongest people can break through it

Madara the strongest and juubi the strongest they both will be stopped

Tobi was hyped up sooo much but now he doesn't seem as strong as his hype insisted - he is top 3 don't get me wrong thats after he got the rinnegan though

Alot more things but I am tired some things I might have messed up or got wrong since I going by memory than researching on the computer ( on the phone)

But he has never said anything to counter the fact that hiruzen is the strongest. Now obviously we have seen n heard way more about hashirama abilities and power but the fact is not only was hiruzen called the strongest hokage he was known AS THE GOD OF SHINOBI. What else has to be said about this guy.

 

[Shīnju]

But he has never said anything to counter the fact that hiruzen is the strongest. Now obviously we have seen n heard way more about hashirama abilities and power but the fact is not only was hiruzen called the strongest hokage he was known AS THE GOD OF SHINOBI. What else has to be said about this guy.

like you said just because people referred him as a god doesnt mean he is one , im pretty sure the only reason that is , is because of the reaper death seal , ...

 

[sage22]

like you said just because people referred him as a god doesnt mean he is one , im pretty sure the only reason that is , is because of the reaper death seal , ...

I'm pretty sure its has nothing do with the reaper death seal considering its a one time use jutsu.

 

[RasenUchihaChaos]

during the his reign and i suppose Hashi was the strongest during his reign saru was the stongest during his reign minato was the fastest

blah blah get the point besides hashi stronger than hiruzen also notice he was older when he died so maybe he had handicapps if he was the age of when he fought madara when oro brought him he definetly would have ko ed him