America is looking at removing the 2nd amednment.

[TheSyren]

Looking at all your post,you obviously don't know what you're talking about .

1.
You act like you know everything about guns and that the only people that are allowed to have guns are " law enforcement ".

You have every right to own a gun,to protect your self. That is from a nut head with a home made weapon (yes people can make home made guns),a corrupted government ,or an invading military.

If the enforcement are allowed to have guns,then so do citizens.

People agreeing to remove the 2 amendment,are just morons or afraid ( yet not afraid for the government ).


2.


Oh ok, so by your logic if a law enforcement were to have his/her gun "taken" away by a nut head and that guy start killing others,it's still alright for law enforcement to still have guns.

While if a thief were to,some how got a hold of the owner gun and starting using it to kill everybody,it's shame on all citizens that are gun owners. And that all guns should be removed/banned from good citizens.


Your just looking at one side of the problem and not looking at the other end.
Sure guns could be bad at the wrong hands but why would you not trust the law enforcement?
They are people as well,and if one day a guy breaks down from stress,etc what is stopping him from using his gun. Their are cops,etc that have taken it to far during arrest.


P.s

Not a gun owner,but I believe people should have the right to have a gun.

The 2 amendment shouldn't be removed and that there need to be better background check and a test to see your mental health every few months or a year.

Also need to watch what drugs they are taking,as some can affect a person brain.

And the people yelled preach it

 

[Robot Boy]

That's what this whole thing is about loved ones taking other loved ones weapons and murdering them and a school if you weren't ready to debate this then don't join this topic that's why their debating the second amendment so if you put yourself in their shoes and make a well thought out choice. but honestly what would you do if a loved one took your gun killed you then attacked a school.

That aint happening we trust each with our lives, you don't these people I do. Oh I wasn't aware that this thread was about loved ones..tch.. get real focus on the main topic "second amendment being removed" not called "messing with peoples emotions thread." because you sir are disturbed person if you want to come at me with a low blow as well as insulting me, my friends, and my family.

 

[~WastelandSociety~]

And the people yelled preach it

And I say Amen.

 

[7PointOh]

that right has no place anymore so why even have it at all after all at any time a loved one might just use your guns to kill a bunch of kids in a school which i have said countless times and no one can post a counter argument to because its true who cares if people cant get guns themselves they just take other peoples and kill them at the same time out of convienience and if any of this happened to any of us we would care a great deal more.I'm saying that fang it doesn't really care because the least he/she could do is say ya they should do something about guns rather than just people will always get guns and kill cause its not always true or at the very least your reasoning behind what happened.

A lot of people posted a counter argument. Whether they were right or wrong, you just refused to accept them.

Sure a person can use my gun (which I don't own one) against me. They could also use my car to run over me. Some unbalanced person can use a vehicle and ram into a school bus and do the same damage as those school kids. Let's ban all cars because they can be used to kill. But I guess that's not a valid argument either, because all you do is post a repetitive comment on how banning firearms can reduce the accessibility to them and a vague statement of how outdated the 2nd amendment is.

 

[DietyOfWind]

wasteland the first comment in the quote was for fang specifically since he/ she makes diffinitive remarks about the amendment without putting herself int he shoes of the victims. but honestly if guns were banned from long ago and only cops had it america would be much much more better today but since government hasn't questioned it till now people die every day cause of it which is far more that it needs to be.I don't care if i have the right to have a gun i will not own one cause its a horrible murderous weapon bent on killing other people for stupid reasons which if their robbing me id rather just let them have the stuff since it can be replaced and life cannot and where are peoples minds honestly if you have a choice between saving the lives of people and guns you always choose people especially since we will never need them the government will never need to be over thrown even though sometimes some choices are stupid we aren't being oppressed and there will not be any zombies or any other world ending crap to actually use the guns on that law was specifically for revolutions cause of the dictator ship that england had they did not expect that law to be there 200 years later and would not have wanted that they would have wanted times to change and for that amendment to update with it so why should someone elses gun be a threat to my life in any way because of a stupid 200 year old law.

 

[DietyOfWind]

That aint happening we trust each with our lives, you don't these people I do. Oh I wasn't aware that this thread was about loved ones..tch.. get real focus on the main topic "second amendment being removed" not called "messing with peoples emotions thread." because you sir are disturbed person if you want to come at me with a low blow as well as insulting me, my friends, and my family.

are you mental the second amendment is being called into question because of that shooting which is why this topic is here stop being slow and pay attention.

 

[DietyOfWind]

A lot of people posted a counter argument. Whether they were right or wrong, you just refused to accept them.

Sure a person can use my gun (which I don't own one) against me. They could also use my car to run over me. Some unbalanced person can use a vehicle and ram into a school bus and do the same damage as those school kids. Let's ban all cars because they can be used to kill. But I guess that's not a valid argument either, because all you do is post a repetitive comment on how banning firearms can reduce the accessibility to them and a vague statement of how outdated the 2nd amendment is.

i typed a lot about it not just about the second amendment all different stuff too several pages ago the ones protesting the right hardly had anything till wasteland got here actually hes the first with actual filled in answers.

 

[Robot Boy]

wasteland the first comment in the quote was for fang specifically since he/ she makes diffinitive remarks about the amendment without putting herself int he shoes of the victims. but honestly if guns were banned from long ago and only cops had it america would be much much more better today but since government hasn't questioned it till now people die every day cause of it which is far more that it needs to be.I don't care if i have the right to have a gun i will not own one cause its a horrible murderous weapon bent on killing other people for stupid reasons which if their robbing me id rather just let them have the stuff since it can be replaced and life cannot and where are peoples minds honestly if you have a choice between saving the lives of people and guns you always choose people especially since we will never need them the government will never need to be over thrown even though sometimes some choices are stupid we aren't being oppressed and there will not be any zombies or any other world ending crap to actually use the guns on that law was specifically for revolutions cause of the dictator ship that england had they did not expect that law to be there 200 years later and would not have wanted that they would have wanted times to change and for that amendment to update with it so why should someone elses gun be a threat to my life in any way because of a stupid 200 year old law.

I'm a dude you idget....this isn't about saving guns its protecting our rights. Stop being such a dictator about about what we can and can't have.
@DeityOfWind->first of all your multi-posting which is spamming around these parts.Not good. Second if I was mental I wouldn't be bashing at your loved ones the way have towards me, I'm not a heartless jerk who doesn't take peoples feelings into consideration the way you have been doing towards me. You wanna save lives and yet you can't understand my feelings such as by attacking my loved ones the way you have. Get real at least I can debate with someone without attacking their personal feelings. You can't save anyone with that attitude-> (ex. bashing others emotions.)

 

[DietyOfWind]

I'm a dude you idget....this isn't about saving guns its protecting our rights. Stop being such a dictator about about what we can and can't have.

um are you insane the second amendment is about keeping guns or not

 

[TheSyren]

are you mental the second amendment is being called into question because of that shooting which is why this topic is here stop being slow and pay attention.

Okay, first off, don't go dissin zombie apocolypses. Second off, you brought family stuff into this, or at least caused it to be brought up. And third, if you just give the thief your stuff, what to stop him from shooting anyways? Guns aren't always used for murder. We use them to hunt, to compete, to start races, and to keep haters from hating. *cough* moron *cough* sorry, all of the hot air you are spitting out just radiates with stupidity. Getting hard to breath in here

 

[DietyOfWind]

k my main point even if you could do the same damage with a car it wasn't done with a car it was done with his mothers guns who was mentally stable but he wasn't and he even killed her his own mother and then attacked children with automatic weapons.weapons he shouldn't even have and if an amendment is what let him get access to those weapons then it has to go or the same thing would just happen everywhere and its bs to say guns aren't the problem they were the entire problem cause even if he woulda just used a knife instead that woulda been many less lives lost.The main issue being how easy it was for him to get his mother thinking they were safe from him full well knowing he had mental issues and owning guns anyway meanwhile the background checks did absolutely nothing to prevent it if anything then background checks need to check the entire family not just the owner.

 

[TheSyren]

k my main point even if you could do the same damage with a car it wasn't done with a car it was done with his mothers guns who was mentally stable but he wasn't and he even killed her his own mother and then attacked children with automatic weapons.weapons he shouldn't even have and if an amendment is what let him get access to those weapons then it has to go or the same thing would just happen everywhere and its bs to say guns aren't the problem they were the entire problem cause even if he woulda just used a knife instead that woulda been many less lives lost.The main issue being how easy it was for him to get his mother thinking they were safe from him full well knowing he had mental issues and owning guns anyway meanwhile the background checks did absolutely nothing to prevent it if anything then background checks need to check the entire family not just the owner.

Right there right there right there, he didn't own the gun, it was his mother's. Second amendment can't be used here because it wasn't his, he stole it. Argument invalid

 

[DietyOfWind]

Okay, first off, don't go dissin zombie apocolypses. Second off, you brought family stuff into this, or at least caused it to be brought up. And third, if you just give the thief your stuff, what to stop him from shooting anyways? Guns aren't always used for murder. We use them to hunt, to compete, to start races, and to keep haters from hating. *cough* moron *cough* sorry, all of the hot air you are spitting out just radiates with stupidity. Getting hard to breath in here

if you actually read what i typed you wouldn't be saying that unless you just here to be a troll in which case i just wont respond to you anymore and asking him to put himself in the mothers shoes was not the wrong thing to do at all.Secondly i didn't diss zombie apocolypses i just said it ain't happening in real life sorry to disappoint some conspiracy theorists. hunting ain't that important just another excuse to shoot stuff.Don't races use flare guns now in certain circles?and as for haters from hating your hating on me now yet i had most examples for the issue period for what could be done instead or examples for why.

 

[DietyOfWind]

Right there right there right there, he didn't own the gun, it was his mother's. Second amendment can't be used here because it wasn't his, he stole it. Argument invalid

yes it can be used here because if she didn't have the guns due to the second amendment he couldn't have stolen them which is why the topic is here.

 

[TheSyren]

Your argument is still invalid. He could have used anything. A gun was just easier.

 

[DietyOfWind]

Your argument is still invalid. He could have used anything. A gun was just easier.

even if he could have used anything a ton less kids would have died or he might not have even done it then since he wouldn't have had the guns and they might have caught him as soon as he killed his mother at that point.

as for fang i didn't affend your loved ones i asked you a genuine question that it took wild horses to drag out of you when it was just a simple straight answer wasn't even about ''bashing your emotions'' just how you would feel if you were in their shoes because of what happened which is what everyone should do after a tragedy to try to understand how the other people feel. the statement about the second amendment had multiple ways to answer it.P.S double posting isn't spamming if i was using it to answer multiple people,definition of spamming would be the same action about 3 or more times but different things was said.

 

[Gyakusetsu]

Let's reduce the arugument to it's absurdity. Where is your limit? Should I be able to purchase a 60mm vulcan cannon? Because the military has this and many more powerful weapons at their disposal. It is not reasonable to think that a populace with handguns and semi-automatic weapons would be a match for Predator drones, F-22 Raptors, or Comanche Hellicopters. It's a matter of range. You'd better think of another strategy.

Folks are worried about a corrupt government and advocate the 2nd amendmant as a way to neutralize it. If we look at the history of the U.S. the revolution would not have been successful had it not been for the intervention of the French, but there is a very strong chance that independance would have occurred anyway as we have seen with other countries such as Canada and Australia. There is historical evidence that other countries would respond if the government became so corrupt.

So much fear on both sides of the equation but let's look at the root of these fears and ask what is the cause of that fear. What causes someone break into another's home looking for cash? Is the answer to this problem really solved by pulling a trigger? I have no issue with folks trying to defend themselves, but I feel the need to do so should be addressed and pursued as strongly as those "rights" that folks are worried about loosing. I don't believe the answer to these problems were ever discovered by gun manufacturers.

 

[DietyOfWind]

Let's reduce the arugument to it's absurdity. Where is your limit? Should I be able to purchase a 60mm vulcan cannon? Because the military has this and many more powerful weapons at their disposal. It is not reasonable to think that a populace with handguns and semi-automatic weapons would be a match for Predator drones, F-22 Raptors, or Comanche Hellicopters. It's a matter of range. You'd better think of another strategy.

Folks are worried about a corrupt government and advocate the 2nd amendmant as a way to neutralize it. If we look at the history of the U.S. the revolution would not have been successful had it not been for the intervention of the French, but there is a very strong chance that independance would have occurred anyway as we have seen with other countries such as Canada and Australia. There is historical evidence that other countries would respond if the government became so corrupt.

So much fear on both sides of the equation but let's look at the root of these fears and ask what is the cause of that fear. What causes someone break into another's home looking for cash? Is the answer to this problem really solved by pulling a trigger? I have no issue with folks trying to defend themselves, but I feel the need to do so should be addressed and pursued as strongly as those "rights" that folks are worried about loosing. I don't believe the answer to these problems were ever discovered by gun manufacturer's.

see now this makes a ton more sense considdering how strong the military is but there's no reason to believe the government is corrupted yet there fore no reason for people to be allowed to have weapons and if we ever need to fight the government cause of its corruption then do you really think we need their amendments to do it ,i definitely don't. as of now its only arming people for no reason.

 

[Azearl]

politics sucks,government sucks.Whatever they do they do for their own interest.

 

[DietyOfWind]

politics sucks,government sucks.Whatever they do they do for their own interest.

well ik thats true for politics government only really does war for its own benifit other laws are mostly supposed to protect us.