The real truth about the Sage's Sons and the 6 Paths! (Logic)

[midas14721]

Good work.Theory has promising future

 

[ImNoOne]

But the Uchiha use force as well.
Forcing people to live in a genjutsu, by getting all kinds of powers by force (mokuton and such) is peace through power and force.
You overpower the others.

Senju and Uchiha both have examples of force.
The will of fire could be an example of peace through love.
and Itachi and Shisui their way of saracaficing themselfs for the greater good, could be seen as trying peace through love as well (although Itachi tryed to use koto amatsukami and Shisui as well, which is force).

Just like it said, it depends on from which perspective you look at it.

So far, Uzumaki have respresented love.
Mito ''the vessel needs to be filled with love''.
Kushina her love and sacrafice allowed Naruto to succeed in his training with Bee.
Nagato was changed by Naruto his ways (love and forgiveness) and saraficed himself to save others.
Naruto is all about love as well.
and Karin in a way xd.

So the true one answering love, the one who inherited the Sage's "Throne" might have been the Uzumaki and both the Uchiha and the Senju are impostors... LOL could be

 

[Abura Malakinos]

Very nice bro, it makes complete since and you it together very well. + rep Nice job!

 

[Waltz]

Excellent theory and very Plausible....especially because of the last Scan.

 

[Braineater]

hi there,
don´t know if anyone posted it before but...
the descendants of the six sons could be:
uchiha,hyuuga,senju,uzumaki,yuugo´s clan and kimmimaro´s clan..(sorry,forgot the names of the last 2 clans)

 

[UchihaElder]

I think you might be right. As sasukexx13 stated this would explain the Hyuga and Uzamaki clans. That's four sons right?
Now I think that Juugo's clan might have been a son or daughter from the sage. Thoughts?
I wouldn't know what clan the sixth son would be.

Gold and Silver brothers

 

[UchihaElder]

no manga proof

I wish he would of posted the next two pages of the chapter, Obito states that Nagato is the 3rd path Senju, Uchiha, Uzumaki are confirmed paths, this dudes logic is super sound.

 

[SashaUchiha]

First up, congratulations, good theory!

I happen to agree with most of it. 6 paths being 6 sons could only be due to translation error, so, not sure...

other things

UZUMAKIS:

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... and i agree with how the uzamaki could easily been originated from the sage look at naruto's hair then minato's all same style and there resemblance is really close.

Minato is not Uzumaki man...

Nice read, very plausible theory... I have thought about the sage's parents being uzumaki in the past

That's what I still think. SO6P was a Jinchuriki before the 2 sons and other history crap... he was super strong still, if he had to hold in something as strong as the Juubi, he'd need to be Uzumaki-like... (or Uzumakis have inherited that particular path as per this theory... possible)

Love vs Power:

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Hashirama captured and divided the tailed beasts so that they can be equal in power,that shows that he wasen't a power hungry like the elder was.Instead Madara took his brothers eyes in order to be more powerful.You're theory is pretty good but tobi did not twist the story about the two sons.

You state that Madara wanted a world where love was the sole governing agency, but to achieve that, Madara pursued what was stated in the manga page 'might'..which discredits your theory of Madara being the youngest son. Madara wanted to achieve his goal with power/force, not love.

the uchicha clan has been anythin but peaceful. this is shown by the killings among the uchiha clan by madara and his younger brother.

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The question the Sage asked was what was the key for world peace. Madara is searching for Power in order to provide Love as the tool for world peace. For himself he sicks power but for the world he sicks love as the key to peace.

As for Hashirama, his actions were in order to maintain the balance of power. He scattered the tailed beasts to give the villages a balance of power. That is sicking Peace via Power!! Not love. In fact his actions gave birth to wars and not peace. Villages attacking each other for the Bijuus and eventually lead to two Great Ninja Wars.
Rendering the action of giving out the Bijuus to other villages as an act of love is pure madness.

OK, Uchiha vs Senju, just 2 things:
1. All the main Uchihas I know in this story have done whatever they have done out of immeasurable LOVE for somebody (read Itachi, Obito, Sasuke (love for his family and his clan) and I'm sure we will soon read the saddest back-story so far about Madara). I wouldn't say their actions were justified, but if they did seek power, it was only because they wanted to restore/revive their object of LOVE.
>>Uchihas are biggest emo cry-babies, ALL of them! They have so much power and they don't really know what to do with it most of the time. They are not dumb, but most of their decisions are guided by emotion.

2. If I am a super strong Senju, I can control all tailbeasts in this world, AND I know there is nobody else who's capable of controlling such power and I want to use this situation to my benefit without looking bad, I shall distribute my tailed-beasts among all villages as PEACE TREATIES. Don't worry, I already know nobody can use them against me and if anybody acts smart, I just make the tailedbeast destroy that village... simple enough U_U
>> Senjus were like born leaders, cool-smart people, playing the power games, winning as a habit... kinda explains why 3/5 Hokages were Senju and 1 was a student of a Senju.

The 2 brothers reversal of roles theory... yes it is possible. Why?
If Rikudou wrote those tablets, then he obviously didn't know what his descendants were going to be called (unless he made sure he gave them proper names before dying). He could have symbolically represented the 2 brothers in the texts and which one is which is then left to the reader to judge. Therefore, who's older was probably a misinterpretation and Tobi passed that information to us wrongly

OR

TOBI LIED!!! U_U

SIX PATHS (if true):

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Nice theory.

Here's what the six clans might be, if your theory is true:

Uchiha, Senju, Uzumaki, Hyuuga (duh choices)

Other:
Haruno (Kishi might pull that one lol)
Namikaze (be kind of cool I guess)
Jugo's clan

But I think it's Kimimaro's clan: as he has a strong body, and Kind of uses a somehwat similar jutsu to the asura path

@bold... me too!

Nice theory I have no idea how you linked that all together.

Here are the different realms or paths of Buddhism. These descriptions come from Wikipedia so they might not be 100% accurate

Deva - The Deva realm is sometimes also referred to as the gods' realm, because its inhabitants are so powerful within their own realm...However, while the Devas may be referred to as gods, they are not immortal, omniscient, nor omnipotent...

I beleive the Senju would be this path, I would say that its a combination of Senju + Uchiha but the next description fits the Uchiha perfectly.

Asura - The Asura realm is the realm of the demigods. They are here because of actions based on jealousy, struggle, combat or rationalization of the world. They may be here because in human form they had good intentions but committed bad actions such as harming others

That sounds like Uchiha to me, good intentions but bad actions.

Human - The Human realm is based on passion, desire, doubt, and pride.
Buddhists see this realm as human existence

I think this could be the Uzumaki

Animal - The Animal realm is based on strong mental states of stupidity and prejudice cultivated in a previous life or lives.

Probably the Aburame or Inuzuka because of the animals.

Preta - The Hungry Ghost realm (also known as the Preta realm) is a rebirth based on strong possessiveness and desire which were cultivated in a previous life or lives. They are constantly extremely hungry and thirsty, but they cannot satisfy these needs.

Based on what pains preta path does (absorbs) I think it could be the Hoshigake or Juugo's clan.

Naraka - The Naraka realm, or "hell realm" is a rebirth based on strong states of hatred cultivated in a previous life or lives.

The only one i can think of is Kimimaros clan the Kayuga. But based on Naraka paths abilities (taking souls out of bodies) maybe it has something to do with the Yamanaka or Dan Kato's clan.

I love how you put it up... and now that you mentioned it:
Animal: Aburame (somethign to do with them being the noble clan of Konoha etc)
Preta: Dan Kato (Ghost you said??? Ghost = Dan)
Naraka: Orochimaru (Who comes first to your mind when somebody says REBIRTH? But he doesn't really hate anyone other than Sarutobi Hiruzen... )

rest all looks perfect!

What if Oro had all the paths, if the paths are:

Senju clan (Oro had Hashi dna in his posession).
Uchiha clan (he was trying to take Sasuke his body and failed to get Itachi).
Uzumaki clan (he had Karin).
Kaguya clan (he had Kimimaro).
Juugo clan (Has the same name as his clan >_<, Oro used Juugo for the curse seal system).
and the Hyuuga clan. (That hyuuga that lost to Ao... maybe Oro was involved as well. One eye to Ao and maybe Oro got his hands on one as well).

Oro would have everything.

Like I said above, in that case, I think he himself was sixth and he had the rest... once Sasuke agrees, Operation SO6P Complete!

And...

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PS: This is also why I think Shikaku and the rest of HQ will still be alive when they are no longer needed. We didn't get any flash backs.. Or wishes from the parents to their children, nor them entrusting them the future and stuff like that.

But Ino and Shikamaru cried!!! :shrug: Kishi would waste that??? xd something makes me think they're gonna live and YES Oro might have something to do with it...

Anyway, nice theory... been a while since I read something sane on NB...

I put spoiler tags because this became longer than I expected.

EDIT: I can't believe I'm still calling him Tobi... >.>

 

[ImNoOne]

First up, congratulations, good theory!

I happen to agree with most of it. 6 paths being 6 sons could only be due to translation error, so, not sure...

other things

UZUMAKIS:

Spoiler

Minato is not Uzumaki man...



That's what I still think. SO6P was a Jinchuriki before the 2 sons and other history crap... he was super strong still, if he had to hold in something as strong as the Juubi, he'd need to be Uzumaki-like... (or Uzumakis have inherited that particular path as per this theory... possible)

Love vs Power:

Spoiler

OK, Uchiha vs Senju, just 2 things:
1. All the main Uchihas I know in this story have done whatever they have done out of immeasurable LOVE for somebody (read Itachi, Obito, Sasuke (love for his family and his clan) and I'm sure we will soon read the saddest back-story so far about Madara). I wouldn't say their actions were justified, but if they did seek power, it was only because they wanted to restore/revive their object of LOVE.
>>Uchihas are biggest emo cry-babies, ALL of them! They have so much power and they don't really know what to do with it most of the time. They are not dumb, but most of their decisions are guided by emotion.

2. If I am a super strong Senju, I can control all tailbeasts in this world, AND I know there is nobody else who's capable of controlling such power and I want to use this situation to my benefit without looking bad, I shall distribute my tailed-beasts among all villages as PEACE TREATIES. Don't worry, I already know nobody can use them against me and if anybody acts smart, I just make the tailedbeast destroy that village... simple enough U_U
>> Senjus were like born leaders, cool-smart people, playing the power games, winning as a habit... kinda explains why 3/5 Hokages were Senju and 1 was a student of a Senju.

The 2 brothers reversal of roles theory... yes it is possible. Why?
If Rikudou wrote those tablets, then he obviously didn't know what his descendants were going to be called (unless he made sure he gave them proper names before dying). He could have symbolically represented the 2 brothers in the texts and which one is which is then left to the reader to judge. Therefore, who's older was probably a misinterpretation and Tobi passed that information to us wrongly

OR

TOBI LIED!!! U_U

SIX PATHS (if true):

Spoiler

@bold... me too!



I love how you put it up... and now that you mentioned it:
Animal: Aburame (somethign to do with them being the noble clan of Konoha etc)
Preta: Dan Kato (Ghost you said??? Ghost = Dan)
Naraka: Orochimaru (Who comes first to your mind when somebody says REBIRTH? But he doesn't really hate anyone other than Sarutobi Hiruzen... )

rest all looks perfect!



Like I said above, in that case, I think he himself was sixth and he had the rest... once Sasuke agrees, Operation SO6P Complete!

And...

Spoiler

But Ino and Shikamaru cried!!! :shrug: Kishi would waste that??? xd something makes me think they're gonna live and YES Oro might have something to do with it...

Anyway, nice theory... been a while since I read something sane on NB...

I put spoiler tags because this became longer than I expected.

EDIT: I can't believe I'm still calling him Tobi... >.>

True that! I still call it Tobi all the time, and I was a ferrous defender that Tobi could never be Obito! lol

 

[sunnex]

Best theory..

 

[ReZ]

Please do , and thanks!



That's an over simplistic approach to the Sage of Six Paths character, he was much, much more than that. Simplifying the Sage that much is the same as saying Naruto character is simply the Jinchuriki of Kurama and the son of the 4th Hokage, while he is obviously much more than that.

Naruto is also the personification of friendship, loyalty and perseverance!

Describing the Sage you have to analyse what he was beyond what was obvious.

-He was a preacher who, like all who preachers, believe in education of the minds. A teacher per se! One who believed that a well structured and knowledge person is a better person. Which in itself might be a path, the Path of Logic where Education and Logic are the keys to Peace. Weighting the pros and cons of war a Logical and Educated person will see that Peace is the best way and not war.

-He had also the instinct of service, altruistic and selfless. He could have lived his life in peace and safe, taken from all his power he surely was above danger had he chosen to. Yet not only he saved the world from the Juubi, he made his life quest to preach peace and Ninjutso to the people of the world in order to bring peace to the world. That in itself might also be a Path, the path of Selfness and Sacrifice.

-He was also a studious and searcher for Knowlage and understanding believing that understanding and knowledge of all that concerned chakra and Ninjutso were important pieces for Peace. This might also be one Path, the Path of Knowledge and Understanding. You'll find it curious to find that the 3rd Hokage from the Sarutobi Clan followed this Path, becoming the God of Shinobi and the Teacher.

The information about the Sage is little but we could derive even more Paths, like for example forgiveness and faith as he gave the Juubi a second chance when he devided it's chakra and created the 9 bijuus...



Kishi had already revealed Tobi's true identity and yet we still didn't think it was Obito. The plot is strong and there is much to link as it is. Who are we to say that these paths haven't been introduced yet?



No, that one was proven by logic, but it's not the focus point of the theory, so if you don't agree with my logic you may disregard it.



I explained this above. Love and Power are not the only answers possible to achieve Peace.



Hashirama captured and divided the tailed beasts in order to maintain the balance of Power! It's still an answer based on power rather than on love.

Indeed,but forcing some1 in an infinite genjutsu is not something based on love too,he wanted to maintain the balance of power because he believed that people would not resume on using the tailed beast's and pursue the path of "love".He knew that a balance should be made,otherwise people would just be afraid.He wasen't obliged to give the bijuu's,he could just said...."**** you,love each other or you're dead"foh peace xD.

 

[ImNoOne]

Indeed,but forcing some1 in an infinite genjutsu is not something based on love too,he wanted to maintain the balance of power because he believed that people would not resume on using the tailed beast's and pursue the path of "love".He knew that a balance should be made,otherwise people would just be afraid.He wasen't obliged to give the bijuu's,he could just said...."**** you,love each other or you're dead"foh peace xD.

As meowNverse said I'm guessing it all depends on the point of view. But I don't think it's a possibility that we can dismiss right out of the bat. The way I view it neither one of the clans as progressed through an absolute path of love.

 

[soulreaper11]

interesting interesting maybe maybe i am not agreeing with u but u my friend r on to something the two brother that feed of the 9tail and got his power are say to be realted to the sage of six. so if i had to guess all of the sons i would say.
1. seiju
2. uchiha
3. Hyuga
4. the two brother
5. Uzumaki
6. unknown (maybe the 3rd raikage family strong body)
7. unknown

 

[Meowazziel]

interesting interesting maybe maybe i am not agreeing with u but u my friend r on to something the two brother that feed of the 9tail and got his power are say to be realted to the sage of six. so if i had to guess all of the sons i would say.
1. seiju
2. uchiha
3. Hyuga
4. the two brother
5. Uzumaki
6. unknown (maybe the 3rd raikage family strong body)
7. unknown

Who are the 2 brother? Kingaku and Kinkaku? They are most likely Uzumaki as shown by their powers and cover up of eyebrows (headband over it) and hair (headress over it). Cause if their facial hair wasnt covered up, their hair would probably be shown as Uzumaki type of red.

The six paths most likely are:

1. Senju.
2. Uchiha.
3. Hyuuga.
4. Uzumaki.
5. Kaguya (Kimimaro's clan).
6. Juugo (from the Juugo clan).

As meowNverse said I'm guessing it all depends on the point of view. But I don't think it's a possibility that we can dismiss right out of the bat. The way I view it neither one of the clans as progressed through an absolute path of love.

Indeed.

If I view some assumed paths:

Senju, not an absolute path of love, with the whole village power balance system.

Uchiha, not an absolute path of love. They want to control through overpowering.

Hyuuga, not an absolute path of love (the whole 2 house system and all the hatred that comes from it, the power to destroy a branch member with the seal, by a main house member).

Kaguya (kimimaro's clan), was all about war, so nah not love at all. Kimimaro cared deeply for some people like Oro and Juugo though, but that clan was not on an absolute path of love.

Juugo clan, we know little about them, but if they all go berserk in sennin mode, than it is not an absolute path of love either. Juugo can be very peaceful when not absorbing nature though. I find this one tricky.

Uzumaki, they are a path of love.
Mito ''we need to fill the vessel with love''.
Kushina, sacraficing herself and giving naruto the love he needed to succed in Bee's training.
Nagato, changed by Naruto's TNJ and than sacraficed himself for others.
Naruto is all about love.
Karin as well in her way .

 

[Koibito]

Geez idk but that's a very well put theory...+For your efforts...

Now that i think about it again .... That would explain the uzumakis and hyuga's lol.......

It's Plausible

Exactly, i like it, nice

 

[ReZ]

As meowNverse said I'm guessing it all depends on the point of view. But I don't think it's a possibility that we can dismiss right out of the bat. The way I view it neither one of the clans as progressed through an absolute path of love.

Maybe it's we take "the path of love" too literally.

 

[Uchiha Fan]

holy fuk awesome thread it explains a lot and yet still adds questions like what are the six path clans. The senju, uchiha, uzumaki, hyuuga, possibly sarutobi and who else?

 

[Chrisisaartist]

good job... i like the idea with the 6 sons... this would make a lot of sense! But theres one thing, that is a burden on me.... If there are 6 clans... why are they only in konoha?
1. Senju 2. Uchiha 3. Uzumaki. (4. Hyuga? 5? 6.? )

There should be some in Kirigakure, Kumo.... , too!? There has to be a way, how the different element types where built!?

So maybe the other 3 clans where (a kind of "Kiri-clan" (water) "Iwa-clan" (earth) "Kaze-vlan" (wind) and i think uchiha are fire....)
Maybe this is the way, how the different element users where created? what do you think?

 

[KobayashiShane]

Great thread, love the theory

 

[Pumpkin Ninja]

The final clan could be Kimimaru's clan.