[Discussion] Hyuga Clan: Direct Descendants of the SO6P

[Griffith]

The only thing that is likely to happen now is.... NARUTO OBTAINS THE STAFF OF THE SOT6P.... and shazzam.... Gf juubi.

either that or Yamato shows up.

 

[Unbiased King]

Please read the thread before u waste your time typing things that I've addressed in the OP.

Alright, although I suspect that you're guessing that I've pulled these quotes from you out of my ass, I will reread the thread.

Update:

Once again, my questions still stand as you have neither addressed nor answered these questions I have presented in any way or form.

Do address or answer them in the good spirit of a discussion. After all, this is a discussion thread.

EDIT: And if it is indeed the case that I am missing something that you've already stated, do point out what exactly.

 

[Griffith]

Alright, although I think you're guessing that I pulled these quotes from you out of my ass, I will reread the thread.

Update:

Once again, my questions still stand as you have neither addressed nor answered these questions I have presented in any way or form.

Do address or answer them in the good spirit of a discussion. After all, this is a discussion thread.

Certainly. Well the Uzumaki analogy seen in the OP was used to dispel the notion that the Senju / Uchiha are the original and only descendants of the SO6P and this comparison also serves as a segway into introducing the Hyuga as an older clan.

And as far as that "oldest" quote, perhaps it could be referring to the Hyuga in the present tense...but maybe not. It just said "oldest" so however u may interpret that is entirely up to you. I hope this answers your question

 

[PrimeOfTheSixPaths]

The Hyuga are in no way more peaceful than the Uchiha. The Hyuga allow only the first born of the main family to live peacefully. That means that one person from each generation, maybe two or three people at a time are the main family and do not have the curse seal on their heads. If the branch family, the mass majority of the clan, step out of line, then they can be put to death without hesitation. The Hyuga are ferocious within their family, more so than the Uchiha in terms of strict adherence.

Wouldn't this then just give more proof to them being a direct descendant? Since the Older Son believed the way to peace was with strength. The Hyuuga curse seal controlling the other Hyuugas is basically proof that they control through power, maintaining peace the same way te Older Son wanted.

 

[The Alchemist]

I, like yourself, have come to this conclusion as well. Click the link below to see my version of the theory.

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[Griffith]

Wouldn't this then just give more proof to them being a direct descendant? Since the Older Son believed the way to peace was with strength. The Hyuuga curse seal controlling the other Hyuugas is basically proof that they control through power, maintaining peace the same way te Older Son wanted.

never looked at it like that. Interesting...

your avi is dope as hell btw

 

[Griffith]

I, like yourself, have come to this conclusion as well. Click the link below to see my version of the theory.

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^ that diagram at the bottom made ALOT of sense. rep

although i disagree with you on the Sage being Hyuga. I think his wife was Hyuga.

 

[SageoftheoneWay]

I don't think you made a good argument for why the Uzumaki clan is older, therefore the theory falls apart a little.

Then you drew parallels from an already shaky theory, and stated that the Hyuga are older based on one manga shot which to Kishimoto is probably irrelevant since the Uchiha, more recently, has been shown to be even older, and apparently one of two clans who actually created the Hidden Leaf.

I think the only way the Hyuga clan could possibly be considered as the "oldest and greatest" is if 1) they are shown to be older than the Sharingan (Which is asking alot since the Sharingan is descended from the Elder son of SO6P) and 2) if by "greatest" they mean to say the clan who has been more loyal AND excellent in Doujutsu prowess. Otherwise, in light of current events, I dont see the byakugan as anything truly legendary like the Sharingan/Rinnegan.

 

[Priyam Bhowmick]

U might be actually right. Bt ur point that the leader of Uzumaki older than Hashi which means uzumakis r older is nt at all logical. Kakashi had said Uchihas were the descendants of senjus bt i ask how much did he kno about the so6p then. considering that 1 has to awaken the ems nd senju wood dna bfore the rennigan, it cn be likely told that the senjus nd uchihas came 1st. Bt i also have a strong belief that the so6p was a uzumaki which may become a reason why Naruto might bcome the so6p if he does nd why they were feared nd killed. There r more secrets to be revealed,we have to wait til then

 

[Griffith]

U might be actually right. Bt ur point that the leader of Uzumaki older than Hashi which means uzumakis r older is nt at all logical. Kakashi had said Uchihas were the descendants of senjus bt i ask how much did he kno about the so6p then. considering that 1 has to awaken the ems nd senju wood dna bfore the rennigan, it cn be likely told that the senjus nd uchihas came 1st. Bt i also have a strong belief that the so6p was a uzumaki which may become a reason why Naruto might bcome the so6p if he does nd why they were feared nd killed. There r more secrets to be revealed,we have to wait til then

my uzumaki assumption is logical i feel, but i suppose i should've provided more detail such as how the Konoha symbol is inspired by the Uzumaki's and how chunin + jounin jackets have the uzumaki seal. I'll try to make my arguments a little more concrete next time.

 

[Griffith]

I don't think you made a good argument for why the Uzumaki clan is older, therefore the theory falls apart a little.

Then you drew parallels from an already shaky theory, and stated that the Hyuga are older based on one manga shot which to Kishimoto is probably irrelevant since the Uchiha, more recently, has been shown to be even older, and apparently one of two clans who actually created the Hidden Leaf.

I think the only way the Hyuga clan could possibly be considered as the "oldest and greatest" is if 1) they are shown to be older than the Sharingan (Which is asking alot since the Sharingan is descended from the Elder son of SO6P) and 2) if by "greatest" they mean to say the clan who has been more loyal AND excellent in Doujutsu prowess. Otherwise, in light of current events, I dont see the byakugan as anything truly legendary like the Sharingan/Rinnegan.

I didn't make the strongest argument that I could've regarding the Uzumaki being older (i couldve added the Konoha symbol being inspired by the uzumakis) but that doesn't make my theory fall apart. Its widely inferred that the Uzumaki are NOT descendants of the Senju.

Regarding your second tenet, please refer to Kakuzu's post below.

If I remember correctly the Senju and Uzumaki clans had alliances with other clans, the Uchiha and Senju lead the alliances...so if that's the case then the Hyuga could still be the oldest clan...just not the leading clan: not the founding clan!

Another way of looking is that the Hyuga came to Konoha later than the Uchiha & Senju, but it could still be a clan from before the other two were founded. When Kakashi said that the Hyuga were the oldest clan in Konoha it may not have been based on the first clans to join and form Konoha, but simply the oldest clan in terms of clan age (the oldest clan that resides in Konoha not the oldest clan OF Konoha)!

 

[STRAIGHTKILLL]

i agree with tsuki

 

[DaVe14]

I agree along the lines if what you're saying, but I disagree as fsr as time goes. It has been stated that the Uchiha and Senju are clans formed by direct descent from the Sage. The Hyuga clan is more than likely a side branch descendant of the Elder son. Not direct enough like the Uchiha Zoan is. The same could be said about the Uzumaki clan as compared to the Senju. This side branching makes them distant relatives!

As far as you mentioned plot wise I hope that happens!!

I agree with what was said here!!!

 

[Griffith]

I agree with what was said here!!!

There was sidebranching , yes. But the question this thread attempts to answer is which clan is older.

 

[DaVe14]

There was sidebranching , yes. But the question this thread attempts to answer is which clan is older.

yea your right i personally think the Uchiha Clan is older because there eyes more resemble the Ten Tails eye which was the eyes the SO6P got but lol you cant tell no one that here on NB cause everybody has to argue everything here.

 

[Xaviour]

I am really getting sick and tired of all of this Hyuga hype.

Yes the Hyuga are above average shinobi due to their sensory skills with the Byakugan, and their clans hidden skills. Do I think that they have power beyond that? No. They have become side characters now because they lack power. If they lack power then they can't do anything to affect the main story line *aside from Hinata

I've seen this topic at least 3 times before. It's mentioned in part 1 that Uchiha & Hyuga are distant blood relatives. So it may be possible, but did you really have to say all of that just to prove it? smh

 

[AaaaNinja]

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This panel doesn't imply anything about the order the lineages came about. The age of the people illustrated is irrelevant. Madara and Hashirama gained leadership because they were talented. The most talented ninja of the Uzumaki clan just happened to be older. There were definitely members of Hashirama's clan who were older than him who could have been leader.

 

[Griffith]

I am really getting sick and tired of all of this Hyuga hype.

Yes the Hyuga are above average shinobi due to their sensory skills with the Byakugan, and their clans hidden skills. Do I think that they have power beyond that? No. They have become side characters now because they lack power. If they lack power then they can't do anything to affect the main story line *aside from Hinata

I've seen this topic at least 3 times before. It's mentioned in part 1 that Uchiha & Hyuga are distant blood relatives. So it may be possible, but did you really have to say all of that just to prove it? smh

^ did u really have to write all that? lol

 

[Griffith]

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This panel doesn't imply anything about the order the lineages came about. The age of the people illustrated is irrelevant. Madara and Hashirama gained leadership because they were talented. The most talented ninja of the Uzumaki clan just happened to be older. There were definitely members of Hashirama's clan who were older than him who could have been leader.

It IMPLIES it...and how do you explain Konoha's symbol being in honor of the Uzumaki clan? or Chuunins / Jounins wearing the symbol on their jacket?