Do people seriously think Hashirama can beat Rinnengan Madara?

[Jukain]

I cant belive people actually think Madara with Rinnengan and wood release is still inferior to Hashirama. With Rinnengan Madara gets a ridiculous boost in power, Preta path makes ALL ninjutsu from Hashi usless which takes a huge chunk of power away from Hashi. Madara is like a super Itachi, Nagato and Hashirama all in one. To say that he can beat Madara is being ridiculous considering he has all of hashis powers, all of nagatos powers and the powers from EMS. Come on guys get real. Madara is the strongest shinobi we have seen yet. Anyone with Rinnengan and can actually use it is easily top 5. Not trying to flame just trying to be real here.

And oh btw when Madara was saying only Hashirama can stop him he meant when he had only EMS. With rinnengan and wood release he becomes over kill. Hashi had a ton of trouble when Madara had justEMS, what makes you think he can win after Madara gained rinnengan and Wood release.

 

[Uchiha Legacy]

Nope, not people "outside" of the insane asylum.

 

[TheSages456]

the fact that perfect susano is still madaras full power and hashirama already beat it so he can obviously beat madaras weaker techs. until people can counter this argument and madara words and implications hashirama will always be >madara.

as of now madara doesnt have the feats to beat hashirama.

 

[FXW]

Edo Madara is basically Edo Hashirama with Rinnegan/EMS, so he's the strongest.

 

[Jukain]

the fact that perfect susano is still madaras full power and hashirama already beat it so he can obviously beat madaras weaker techs. until people can counter this argument and madara words and implications hashirama will always be >madara.

as of now madara doesnt have the feats to beat hashirama.

Rinnengan is better to fight hashi then perfect susanoo. We can assume that the dragon was what destroyed susanoo, but with rinnegan he will not have to use perfect susanoo and will defeat hasi with CT and the wood would be absorbed by preta path. so no Madara with Rinnengan is greater than hashi

 

[Jukain]

Edo Madara is basically Edo Hashirama with Rinnegan/EMS, so he's the strongest.

exactly

 

[TheSages456]

Rinnengan is better to fight hashi then perfect susanoo. We can assume that the dragon was what destroyed susanoo, but with rinnegan he will not have to use perfect susanoo and will defeat hasi with CT and the wood would be absorbed by preta path. so no Madara with Rinnengan is greater than hashi

no we cant assume that the dragon beat perfect susano because
1. it is an anti biju weapon
2. its not on perfect susanos destructive scale

show me scans of madara using all of the rinnegan techs. how about sticking to canon feats and not BS ok?

the databook entry on mokuton makes it pretty clear that no chakra is in the trees and that hashiramas chakra is just a source underground for them to spawn.

any questions or do you have any more assumptions unsupported by manga canon?

 

[Jukain]

no we cant assume that the dragon beat perfect susano because
1. it is an anti biju weapon
2. its not on perfect susanos destructive scale

show me scans of madara using all of the rinnegan techs. how about sticking to canon feats and not BS ok?

the databook entry on mokuton makes it pretty clear that no chakra is in the trees and that hashiramas chakra is just a source underground for them to spawn.

any questions or do you have any more assumptions unsupported by manga canon?

show me where it says that mokuton isnt with chakara and ill agree that preta path cant absorb it. And with rinnengan he was able to bring down a meteor with rinnengan, that would destroy Hashi. and yes we can assume the dragon could of destroyed susanoo, cause it absorbs chakara, and susanoo is pure chakara.

 

[shogun973]

theres no way hashi can beat rinnegan madara, he almost lost to ems madara and tied with ms madara many times.........edo madara>>>>>>>> hashirama

nagato + EMS madara>>>> hashirama

i think hashirama won the fight due to regenration only

how can hasirama stop ct

 

[-Ibrahim-]

Madara wins

 

[TheSages456]

show me where it says that mokuton isnt with chakara and ill agree that preta path cant absorb it. And with rinnengan he was able to bring down a meteor with rinnengan, that would destroy Hashi. and yes we can assume the dragon could of destroyed susanoo, cause it absorbs chakara, and susanoo is pure chakara.

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if you read, it says that chakra is merely the source. if madara wants to stop the trees, he will have to dig underground and use preta path underground where hashirama is channeling his chakra and that isnt feasible at all as hashirama can make instant forests.

madara fodderized the meteor effortlessly. he implied that hashirama has power on that level. he does the same. idk what you are on if you think that hashirama will get taken out by a rock.

by the dragons feats it doesnt even last a minute against perfect susano so just stop.

 

[Waltz]

Yes actually. In real life we call those people Insane.

 

[Champ]

Ofcourse not

 

[Unbiased King]

Why do you believe that when Madara said only Hashi could stop him, he was talking about in the past?

That's like saying Obito saying only Tenten could defeat him and it is automatically assumed that he was referring to when he had one arm and leg.

 

[Jukain]

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if you read, it says that chakra is merely the source. if madara wants to stop the trees, he will have to dig underground and use preta path underground where hashirama is channeling his chakra and that isnt feasible at all as hashirama can make instant forests.

madara fodderized the meteor effortlessly. he implied that hashirama has power on that level. he does the same. idk what you are on if you think that hashirama will get taken out by a rock.

by the dragons feats it doesnt even last a minute against perfect susano so just stop.

its still ninjutsu so it will get absorbed just like when Jman shot out fire mud and water. Preta path absorbs all ninjutsu according to the same data book you are quoting.
And yeah your the one being dumb if you think he is gonna survive the meteor with minimal damage done to him.
Also the dragons feat is to absorb chakara thats all we have seen. If it was able to handle to nine tails then it will beable to handle susanoo. Quite being arragont btw

 

[Jukain]

Why do you believe that when Madara said only Hashi could stop him, he was talking about in the past?

That's like saying Obito saying only Tenten could defeat him and it is automatically assumed that he was referring to when he had one arm and leg.

he was talking about the past, he is a edo there is nothing hashi can truly do to him now that he has unlitimted chakara rinnengan and wood release

 

[saw2097]

In my eyes Edo Madara is basically a manga monster. He isn't even supposed to be alive. So honestly I don't understand why people care so much about who can beat him or not.

 

[Unbiased King]

he was talking about the past, he is a edo there is nothing hashi can truly do to him now that he has unlitimted chakara rinnengan and wood release

But what proof do you have that he was talking about the past? If the guy himself says he is still no match for Hashi, why would you go against his better judgement of his abilities?

All you are doing is telling me he has the mokuton, limitless chakra, and the Rinnegan, which I'm pretty sure Madara was aware of when he produced that statement.

 

[KingHashirama]

Sorry but he said, "Only Hashirama is capable of stopping me"... ;]. And says it after after summoning PS. o-o Go figure. You people and your ways to bash a strong character. love em.

 

[TheSages456]

its still ninjutsu so it will get absorbed just like when Jman shot out fire mud and water. Preta path absorbs all ninjutsu according to the same data book you are quoting.
And yeah your the one being dumb if you think he is gonna survive the meteor with minimal damage done to him.
Also the dragons feat is to absorb chakara thats all we have seen. If it was able to handle to nine tails then it will beable to handle susanoo. Quite being arragont btw

spew whatever crap you want. if you wanna turn madara into retardara and have him trying to grab the trees when thats not even where the chakra is as stated by kishimoto himself then be my guest. that just results in madara being crushed 5 seconds into the fight and being a no diff win for hashirama.

we saw what madaras full power did to the meteor. hashirama strength is greater than that. he swipes away any of madaras attacks except perfect susano with low diff.

PS>kyuubi. susano=/=biju.