This isn't a versus thread shit head. and the "logic" is the over all story. *thinks to himself* someone needs to take up Eng Lit and Creative Writing classes.
Hey retard. The thread you are responding to is a versus thread. If we are comparing NAruto's strength to Madara it should be obvious who is stronger. I guess your dum ass mother homeschooling you in trashy trailer park can't help you with some common sense. Of course Naruto will find a way to win in the story, but that thread isn't refferring to the story only comparing strength between MAdaras and Naruto's.
Straw-man argument dude. I never said that Madara will win. I doubt anyone on this forum seriously believes Madara will win in the end. It's a Shonen manga, so of course good guys always win and the bullshit powers of love, friendship and peace triumph over unadulterated evil in the end.
My guess is Madara will be defeated by whatever scroll Taka found in Oro's hideout. I sincerely doubt Edo Madara = final boss of the manga, likely that title is reserved for Sasuke or possibly Orochimaru. In any case, my theory is Madara has already trapped Naruto and crew in a genjutsu and in the real world he's sealing Juubi into himself. Let's not forget what's happened every other time in this series Sharingan users have gone up against non-Sharingan users. Outnumbered hopelessly, even Madara is no idiot. Notice how Madara's not doing anything right now? Reason is that he's likely an illusion.
It makes zero sense that the Shinobi alliance would magically show up, all at the same time and that they would mystically have a master plan thrown together in mere seconds by a man half-a-world away. Even for this series' writing, it's more likely that the alliance either isn't really there or they're also caught in Tsukuyomi. Obito hinted at this as well. The world is about to end, after all. And yes, genjutsu works on tailed beasts. Madara controlled Kurama. Why did Kurama and Hachi disappear from the genjutsu world? Simple, they just got sealed. In the real world, I predict that Kurama is currently being extracted from Naruto.
Naruto will wake up to find Bee dead, Tsunade dead and basically have to go ape-shit on Madara without the Kyuubi. If my prediction is wrong, this is REALLY bad writing on Kishi's part. What happened to the Zetsu army? Nobody went to help the dying Kage (their leaders?) Why did they know Madara was there and not with the Kage (kage are knocked out, so they can't report to HQ)?
Too much about this doesn't add up, so I'm giving Kishi benefit of a doubt and predicting this is a genjutsu.
Edo Madara has more experience and more skills than Naruto... but he will be defeated nevertheless...Naruto has more stamina and more chakra reserves thanx to the 9-tails...
Incorrect. Edo bodies have no chakra limit, as stated by Itachi as he spams Mangekyou techniques. Kurama has ran out of chakra and requires time to recharge. Naruto's at his limit, almost.
In response to " Naruto is not stronger than Edo Madara" thread
Has no one learned that in the NArutoverse OP doesn't necessarily translate into victory?
Deidara had a jutsu that virtually vaporized into microscopic c4 that detonated within his opponents blood stream..
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He lost...
Dnazo had Izanagi,Hashirama's DNA,
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And was an Elite shinobi who had survived the Second and Third Shinobi wars, and the Kyuubi's attack on Konoha (many people died that day). And guess what?..
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He lost...
( though I must say that Sasuke using a woman as a buffer was a shitty, and punk ass move on his part )
Remember Kakuzu? Hidan? The Edo Tensei's of the Shodai and Nidaime?
All of these people were far stronger than their opponents, yet their opponents had skills that were perfect matches making it possible for the "little guy" to win.
I mean look at how Sasuke defeated Oro; it's even been stated and agreed with by Sasuke himself that the only reason he beat Oro was because his arms were sealed.
The point I'm making is, no matter how OP you seem there is always a counter for it.
So no, NAruto isn't stronger than Edo Madara...
But he'll find a way to win.
When people talk bout naruto using plot no jutsu i lol'd cause if really you think so well you should also know that madara wining against five kages is PNJ onoki's justu alone is too OP for madara.
Madara being young in his edo form is also PNJ.
Madara surviving hashi was PNJ
madara being able to keep up with BM naruto's speed is PNJ.
Obito being able to keep up with BM naruto's speed is PNJ considering obito's kamui is slow(kamui can never be as fast as BM naruto's speed but PNJ made it possible).
Obito surviving rasengan trice is PNJ
obito surviving konan's paper bomb is PNJ
lol do you want me to list more? Just So you would know that plot hole is part of the manga
In response to " Naruto is not stronger than Edo Madara" thread
Has no one learned that in the NArutoverse OP doesn't necessarily translate into victory?
Deidara had a jutsu that virtually vaporized into microscopic c4 that detonated within his opponents blood stream..
You must be registered for see images
He lost...
Dnazo had Izanagi,Hashirama's DNA,
You must be registered for see images
And was an Elite shinobi who had survived the Second and Third Shinobi wars, and the Kyuubi's attack on Konoha (many people died that day). And guess what?..
You must be registered for see images
He lost...
( though I must say that Sasuke using a woman as a buffer was a shitty, and punk ass move on his part )
Remember Kakuzu? Hidan? The Edo Tensei's of the Shodai and Nidaime?
All of these people were far stronger than their opponents, yet their opponents had skills that were perfect matches making it possible for the "little guy" to win.
I mean look at how Sasuke defeated Oro; it's even been stated and agreed with by Sasuke himself that the only reason he beat Oro was because his arms were sealed.
The point I'm making is, no matter how OP you seem there is always a counter for it.
So no, NAruto isn't stronger than Edo Madara...
But he'll find a way to win.
you know, i wanted to make a thread explaining the same thing you stated but obvsly i didn't know how to put it nicely like you did i noticed this long ago that as far as naruto series is concern no matter how an oponent is they is always someone perfect to battle the OP guy. i noticed this when missons are about to be assigned the hokage(tsunade) do make sure the shinobi/ninjas she sent for that particular misson are the perfect shinobi for the misson or oponent.
Take for example deidera was the perfect oponent to capturing gaara and SM was also the perfect counter against the six paths at that time
Good one, looking at it from the angle of pure strength, I think naruto can do it but he need a lot more experience than he currently has, it would be an interesting fight just like when he fought PAIN, I think that was one of the best fights ever....Madara is very strategic even if things seems bad with him he might flee and return to fight another day......
You can't complain about plot and yet say you like the whole story because the plot IS the whole story. I'm tired of these plot no jutsu douche bags around here.
You can't complain about plot and yet say you like the whole story because the plot IS the whole story. I'm tired of these plot no jutsu douche bags around here.
Well then i apologize that you have a hard time realizing things are written in a way for the story to progress even if it means things happen that logically never should. Naruto killing Kakuzu is a perfect example of this.
I swear it's like talking to a bunch of dunces with you guys..
Look my point is that ( as I clearly wrote in the title of this thread ) Power doesn't mean victory; so what if Madara could piss and kill just about anyone, the point is that the common thread of the story shows that it doesn't matter. Kakuzu lost because of the effect that came along with Naruto's hastily created Rasenshuriken, it wasn't simply that Naruto was powerful it also has to do with the nature of his jutsu verse that of Kakuzu's and Naruto's won. Simple logical plot.
I swear it's like talking to a bunch of dunces with you guys..
Look my point is that ( as I clearly wrote in the title of this thread ) Power doesn't mean victory; so what if Madara could piss and kill just about anyone, the point is that the common thread of the story shows that it doesn't matter. Kakuzu lost because of the effect that came along with Naruto's hastily created Rasenshuriken, it wasn't simply that Naruto was powerful it also has to do with the nature of his jutsu verse that of Kakuzu's and Naruto's won. Simple logical plot.
Haha i dont know why you are such an angry person. Since we are all dunces, feel free to leave. No one would stop you. We just cant compete with your self proclaimed intelligence that you apparently have over all of us. Kakuzu's loss was complete shit pulled out of the ass of Kishi. It was simply to show off Naruto's new jutsu while simultaneously getting rid of one of the akatsuki members at the same time. Take into account that Kakuzu was not only kicking every bodies ass including Kakashi, he also had almost 100 years of battle experience, fought and survived a battle with Hashirama, and was at that point in the manga one of the most OPed characters in the manga. He then fights and loses to, at that point, average speed, average intelligence Naruto when he had just entered his most powerful form so far in the fight. It just isnt logical. It is purely plot-no-jutsu, and no one gives a shit if you believe in it or not.
Haha i dont know why you are such an angry person. Since we are all dunces, feel free to leave. No one would stop you. We just cant compete with your self proclaimed intelligence that you apparently have over all of us. Kakuzu's loss was complete shit pulled out of the ass of Kishi. It was simply to show off Naruto's new jutsu while simultaneously getting rid of one of the akatsuki members at the same time. Take into account that Kakuzu was not only kicking every bodies ass including Kakashi, he also had almost 100 years of battle experience, fought and survived a battle with Hashirama, and was at that point in the manga one of the most OPed characters in the manga. He then fights and loses to, at that point, average speed, average intelligence Naruto when he had just entered his most powerful form so far in the fight. It just isnt logical. It is purely plot-no-jutsu, and no one gives a shit if you believe in it or not.
dude with the way tsunade explained how the jutsu works if you re in the right senses you would know that the jutsu can even take out any one it hits it obv you let your hatred over naruto get the best of you buddy
dude with the way tsunade explained how the jutsu works if you re in the right senses you would know that the jutsu can even take out any one it hits it obv you let your hatred over naruto get the best of you buddy
I dont have a hatred for Naruto at all actually. I was just saying the facts. He is the strongest non-edo shinobi alive at this point but when he fought Kakuzu he wasnt much of a threat unless he let the Kyuubi took over. And i realize how the jutsu works its just the fact that it actually managed to hit is what boggles the minds of most people. The only time they had been able to land a hit on Kakuzu that whole fight was when Kakashi sneak attacked him. And then Naruto manages to fool a ninja with almost a 100 years of battle experience including a battle with the then strongest shinobi in Hashirama? Its not logical.
I dont have a hatred for Naruto at all actually. I was just saying the facts. He is the strongest non-edo shinobi alive at this point but when he fought Kakuzu he wasnt much of a threat unless he let the Kyuubi took over. And i realize how the jutsu works its just the fact that it actually managed to hit is what boggles the minds of most people. The only time they had been able to land a hit on Kakuzu that whole fight was when Kakashi sneak attacked him. And then Naruto manages to fool a ninja with almost a 100 years of battle experience including a battle with the then strongest shinobi in Hashirama? Its not logical.
i m not implying that naruto was stronger than kakuzu at that time but you also no that naruto is always good at using shadow clones right? And +the jutsu was a one shot type and i will admit naruto managed to land that hit. why i don't consider that scenario a PNJ as you call it is because the jutsu is a one shot type(one shot in the sense that if an oponent get a hit it will be the end) i also believed in what kakashi told kakuzu at the end
Haha i dont know why you are such an angry person. Since we are all dunces, feel free to leave. No one would stop you. We just cant compete with your self proclaimed intelligence that you apparently have over all of us. Kakuzu's loss was complete shit pulled out of the ass of Kishi. It was simply to show off Naruto's new jutsu while simultaneously getting rid of one of the akatsuki members at the same time. Take into account that Kakuzu was not only kicking every bodies ass including Kakashi, he also had almost 100 years of battle experience, fought and survived a battle with Hashirama, and was at that point in the manga one of the most OPed characters in the manga. He then fights and loses to, at that point, average speed, average intelligence Naruto when he had just entered his most powerful form so far in the fight. It just isnt logical. It is purely plot-no-jutsu, and no one gives a shit if you believe in it or not.
And the only logical way for the plot to progress and the story to stay on track is to kill off Kakuzu, what do you think Kishi should have done, O, wise one? What would you have written to progress the story while staying true to it's over all theme? What "logic" would you have used?
