Tsunade and Itachi vs Obito

[Bogard]

Sharingan Obito admitted that Itachi could've ended him if not for "his secret". :|

Well, if you talk about ending someone who let his guard down, then good job Itachi then. Itachi never tried to attack Obito when he was alive, there was a reason behind that. Funny thing is that it's only after his death that he tries a desesperate action to kill him at a moment he believes Obito will be careless, but still failed. In a 1vs1 situation it would have never happen. He admitted himself against Sasuke that he needs EMS to beat Obito(who he thought was Madara)

 

[Chatte]

Well, if you talk about ending someone who let his guard down, then good job Itachi then. Itachi never tried to attack Obito when he was alive, there was a reason behind that. Funny thing is that it's only after his death that he tries a desesperate action to kill him at a moment he believes Obito will be careless, but still failed. In a 1vs1 situation it would have never happen. He admitted himself against Sasuke that he needs EMS to beat Obito(who he thought was Madara)

Oh come on, are we taking into consideration personalities now?
Itachi didn't knew about the phasing thing because we know that if he wouldn't have had kamui to escape it, he'd be dead now.
And in that fight with Sasuke, Itachi said many things to twist Sasuke's mind, it's not a 100% proof.

 

[OnPoint]

Um, no. As Tsunade's arsenal is physical, it means that Obito will have stay on his toes to avoid her strikes, the shockwaves, and katsuyu. Furthermore in order for him land any attack he would necessarily have to have some part of his body tangible. IF he intends to rip out Tsunade's soul despite the fact that he's shown no prowess with the rinnegan whatsoever, then he would have to touch her. During which time she could literally rip of his hand rather than spazzing like Naruto did against Pein.

Physical attacks are the most laughable in the face of Kamui. Obito can slip through any attack, effortlessly. With Tsuande's speed, he will hardly have to 'stay on his toes' as you wrongly claim, especially considering her movement is so linear. It required Minato to resort to Hiraishin's instant movement in order to slay an openly inexperienced Obito. Ē, even with the Raiton no Yoroi activated, already proved that he could not best Obito's intangibility [

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]. Tsunade isn't going to turn and 'rip off his hand' whilst her soul is being swiped.

Despite the fact that Madara taught Obito the Rikudō no Jutsu in addition to the forbidden Uchiha techniques. Despite the fact that he's already shown he can use Gedō (Outer Path) with a stronger binding than even Nagato and implied that he can use Ningendō [

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]. He pretty much confirmed that the other jutsu of the 6 paths were accessible to him, he simply chose not to call them forth because of the chakra expenditure (which would've been very high because of him simultaneously controlling the bijū) [

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]. That is not the case here, so he would be free to use whatever is necessary without consequence.

 

[KidGamer65]

I know Rinnegan's abilities. The thing here was with the profiency. If you know about something, doesn't mean you can master it.
And no, his vision won't be deteriorates as Tsunade's technique creates new cells. New forms of Life.

Sozo Saisei (Genesis Rebirth)
Genesis stands for life
Sozo in japanese stands for life.

Ok then, I'll stick with Human Path, since that is all that is really needed anyway.

There is no indication that the MS blindness can be healed by Tsunade's Sozo Saisei and since when could Tsunade create cells for others? I'm pretty sure all she does is some normal healing.

Regardless, they still can't even touch Obito.

All physical attacks are evaded using Kamui.

Obito already slipped through Amaterasu, after he got hit (Itachi's sneak attack).

In the end, Tsunade gets killed with Human Path, and Itachi gets warped.

Obito has made it very clear he can use ALL of the Rinnegan's abilities, he already said he didn't use them against Naruto and co because of chakra issues since he was already controlling the Bijuu.

 

[Bogard]

Oh come on, are we taking into consideration personalities now?
Itachi didn't knew about the phasing thing because we know that if he wouldn't have had kamui to escape it, he'd be dead now.
And in that fight with Sasuke, Itachi said many things to twist Sasuke's mind, it's not a 100% proof.

It's what i'm saying. Good Itachi for trying to kill someone when he is sleeping instead of confronting him in 1vs1. That is called cowardness. The Amaterasu trap would have never happened in 1vs1 to begin with and even with the trap he still failed. Anyway i don't even know why we are talking about this. We are in a versus section. I don't see Itachi and Tsunade beating him. Neither Itachi nor Tsunade is not touching Obito if even the fastest one in Narutoverse(Raikage or Naruto), with combine efforts of strongest jounins like Kakashi and Gai, and perfect Jinchuriki wasn't even able to touch him once. Now add his inverse kamui:

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his Rinnengan or mokuton techniques:

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And they are done for. In fact Tsunade's help will not even be that great, since i believe she will get warped first during the battle

 

[Slug Princess Tsunade]

It's what i'm saying. Good Itachi for trying to kill someone when he is sleeping instead of confronting him in 1vs1. That is called cowardness. The Amaterasu trap would have never happened in 1vs1 to begin with and even with the trap he still failed. Anyway i don't even know why we are talking about this. We are in a versus section. I don't see Itachi and Tsunade beating him. Neither Itachi nor Tsunade is not touching Obito if even the fastest one in Narutoverse(Raikage or Naruto), with combine efforts of strongest jounins like Kakashi and Gai, and perfect Jinchuriki wasn't even able to touch him once. Now add his inverse kamui:

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his Rinnengan or mokuton techniques:

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And they are done for. In fact Tsunade's help will not even be that great, since i believe she will get warped first during the battle

Itachi can make a clone to protect her And he can do that, because Tsunade can give enough chakra to him.
btw, what if Itachi makes 5 Susanoo clones?

 

[Chatte]

Ok then, I'll stick with Human Path, since that is all that is really needed anyway.

There is no indication that the MS blindness can be healed by Tsunade's Sozo Saisei and since when could Tsunade create cells for others? I'm pretty sure all she does is some normal healing.

Regardless, they still can't even touch Obito.

All physical attacks are evaded using Kamui.

Obito already slipped through Amaterasu, after he got hit (Itachi's sneak attack).

In the end, Tsunade gets killed with Human Path, and Itachi gets warped.

Obito has made it very clear he can use ALL of the Rinnegan's abilities, he already said he didn't use them against Naruto and co because of chakra issues since he was already controlling the Bijuu.

Since she poured Sozo Saisei in the villagers on Pein arc. Sozo Saisei does that.

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You talk so easily as if he can get near the two of them.
You all seem to forget she uses terrain alteration to her advantage and Itachi happens to be one of the most-well rounded ninjas.

If she'd get stuck, imagine that they could work this out as Kakashi and Naruto did and he would get damaged.
Don't forget this is a battle with full intel.
And both Tsunade and Itachi are 2 of the most intelligent people in this manga. They both have 5 in intelligence.

Tsunade wouldn't get hit with Human Path as he'd had to touch her for good to be able to do it, that means no phasing and he is liable for an attack from her and she only needs 1 hit.

It's what i'm saying. Good Itachi for trying to kill someone when he is sleeping instead of confronting him in 1vs1. That is called cowardness. The Amaterasu trap would have never happened in 1vs1 to begin with and even with the trap he still failed. Anyway i don't even know why we are talking about this. We are in a versus section. I don't see Itachi and Tsunade beating him. Neither Itachi nor Tsunade is not touching Obito if even the fastest one in Narutoverse(Raikage or Naruto), with combine efforts of strongest jounins like Kakashi and Gai, and perfect Jinchuriki wasn't even able to touch him once. Now add his Rinnengan or mokuton techniques:

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And they are done for. In fact Tsunade's help will not even be that great, since i believe she will get warped first during the battle

They didn't touched him because they didn't knew about his "secret".
This is a battle with Intel.
So personality feats are out of the question...
What happened in the manga was for plot development.

 

[jay2512]

i think itachi and tsunade would take this. itachi would catch on quickly that obito's secret was his s/t, tsunade could keep itachi healed

 

[Chatte]

Location: The Gokage vs Madara
Knowledge: Fulll
Restrictions: Itachi is healthy, no bijuu, no GM

By the way, to remind people, knowledge meaning intel is FULL.

 

[KidGamer65]

Since she poured Sozo Saisei in the villagers on Pein arc. Sozo Saisei does that.

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You talk so easily as if he can get near the two of them.
You all seem to forget she uses terrain alteration to her advantage and Itachi happens to be one of the most-well rounded ninjas.

If she'd get stuck, imagine that they could work this out as Kakashi and Naruto did and he would get damaged.
Don't forget this is a battle with full intel.
And both Tsunade and Itachi are 2 of the most intelligent people in this manga. They both have 5 in intelligence.

Tsunade wouldn't get hit with Human Path as he'd had to touch her for good to be able to do it, that means no phasing and he is liable for an attack from her and she only needs 1 hit.

This is the jutsu she used to heal the villagers:

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Notice the anbu said she released Sozo Saisei that means it isn't active anymore.

Terrain alteration doesn't mean anything when your opponent can phase into the ground.

That's why Tsunade isn't going to be sucked in, Human Path gets her, and he will go for Itachi at the start of the fight, cause if only Tsunade is left, then she can't win by herself, as she has no jutsu that would even require Obito to have to go Ghost Mode to evade.

If Itachi is sucked in first, Tsunade is helpless, so when he gets her with Human Path no one will be able to save her.

Having intel on Kamui is pointless if they can't even counter it with their abilities.

 

[Chatte]

This is the jutsu she used to heal the villagers:

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Notice the anbu said she released Sozo Saisei that means it isn't active anymore.

Terrain alteration doesn't mean anything when your opponent can phase into the ground.

That's why Tsunade isn't going to be sucked in, Human Path gets her, and he will go for Itachi at the start of the fight, cause if only Tsunade is left, then she can't win by herself, as she has no jutsu that would even require Obito to have to go Ghost Mode to evade.

If Itachi is sucked in first, Tsunade is helpless, so when he gets her with Human Path no one will be able to save her.

Oh, lol, you're quoting me NarutoWiki when I showed you the manga?
Good thing to do.
It's her chakra. She can use it however she wants, normal healing OR Sozo Saisei.

Jesus, releasing Sozo Saisei means what I showed you in the second panl. That's what she did there, released he technique. Meaning used Sozo Saisei on every villager Katsuyu enveloped.

Yes but as far as I remember that enemy cannot stay phased for more than 5 minutes. He would have to materialize and in that instance he could be caught by Totsuka blade.

And I already explained you with Human path. In order to grab her, he'd have to come close to her, one, and two, he has to be materialized state to touch her, which, could mean his end.

If Itachi is sucked first, once again, Kakashi/Naruto thing where Itachi hits from the inside.

Plus, you people forget that she also has Katsuyu in this battle.

Tsunade and Itachi are seriously underrated. :|

 

[KidGamer65]

Oh, lol, you're quoting me NarutoWiki when I showed you the manga?
Good thing to do.
It's her chakra. She can use it however she wants, normal healing OR Sozo Saisei.

Jesus, releasing Sozo Saisei means what I showed you in the second panl. That's what she did there, released he technique. Meaning used Sozo Saisei on every villager Katsuyu enveloped.

Yes but as far as I remember that enemy cannot stay phased for more than 5 minutes. He would have to materialize and in that instance he could be caught by Totsuka blade.

And I already explained you with Human path. In order to grab her, he'd have to come close to her, one, and two, he has to be materialized state to touch her, which, could mean his end.

If Itachi is sucked first, once again, Kakashi/Naruto thing where Itachi hits from the inside.

Plus, you people forget that she also has Katsuyu in this battle.

Tsunade and Itachi are seriously underrated. :|

Lol, the wiki shows the jutsu that was used in the manga, and it includes the chapter it was used in, the wiki was only used to show the name of the jutsu.

Manga clearly states that she released Sozo Saisei to heal them, she released it so the jutsu is no longer active so she did not use it to heal them. Release does not mean what you think it means, it means what has always meant in this manga...to deactivate or cancel. The manga says she released Sozo Saisei to pour her chakra into the villagers.

You do know that it lasts for 5 minutes of consecutive use right? He can simply come out of the ground again to reset the usage limit.

How is she going to hit him when her soul has been ripped out? If he comes from behind and grabs her and rips her soul out she can't stop him.

He has to go intangible for Itachi to be able to hit him from the other dimension, and against Tsunade, that won't be necessary.

What's Katsuyu going to do to help, still can't touch Obito.

There are 2 ways Obito can end this.

1.Suck in Itachi first and then rip Tsunade's soul out.

2.Rip out Itachi's soul first using Bansho Tennin+Soul Rip and then suck in Tsunade.

No one is underrated, you are overrating them by saying they can win, even though they can't.

 

[Chatte]

Lol, the wiki shows the jutsu that was used in the manga, and it includes the chapter it was used in, the wiki was only used to show the name of the jutsu.

Manga clearly states that she released Sozo Saisei to heal them, she released it so the jutsu is no longer active so she did not use it to heal them. Release does not mean what you think it means, it means what has always meant in this manga...to deactivate or cancel. The manga says she released Sozo Saisei to pour her chakra into the villagers.

You do know that it lasts for 5 minutes of consecutive use right? He can simply come out of the ground again to reset the usage limit.

How is she going to hit him when her soul has been ripped out? If he comes from behind and grabs her and rips her soul out she can't stop him.

He has to go intangible for Itachi to be able to hit him from the other dimension, and against Tsunade, that won't be necessary.

What's Katsuyu going to do to help, still can't touch Obito.

There are 2 ways Obito can end this.

1.Suck in Itachi first and then rip Tsunade's soul out.

2.Rip out Itachi's soul first using Bansho Tennin+Soul Rip and then suck in Tsunade.

No one is underrated, you are overrating them by saying they can win, even though they can't.

No, if she wouldn't have had the healing via Sozo Saisei, they would write she released Yin Seal chakra, not Sozo Saisei.
So you're wrong.
And I'm out since you don't understand basically the manga you're reading.

 

[Bogard]

Since she poured Sozo Saisei in the villagers on Pein arc. Sozo Saisei does that.

What do you mean by this?

You talk so easily as if he can get near the two of them.

Of course he can. He is easily the only opponent who can get near every person he wants as will thanks to his intangibility. Number is nothing against Obito. He defeated more than 50high jounins/Anbus level in that FB without even being touched once. He fought faster ninjas than Itachi or Tsunade(Minato, Raikage, Naruto, etc). You talk about knowledge, but it works in both ways. Obito also has knowledge on every Itachi or Tsunade techniques in this scenario, that's what you forget as well. Even with knowledge, neither Itachi nor Tsunade have Kamui, which is the only way to attack him when he becomes intangible. So the only way for them to have a chance is find a way to attack him during 5minutes in continue as if Obito will let that happen? He has his fire style, Mokuton techniques, inverse Kamui, Rinnengan techniques for that. Naruto even with his speed was incapable to touch him and only relied on kamui to be able to do so, they needed to coordinate their attacks in that moment. Only Naruto's sensing ability saved him here for example:

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And even after that, he still needed Kakashi's help here or he was done for:

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And Naruto is faster than both Tsunade and Itachi.

When Obito travels in the other dimension, he is undetectable. It's not because Kakashi knew his secret that he avoided a warp here:

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And Kakashi is a faster shinobi than Tsunade. He was only saved because he has kamui himself that let him travel between the dimension. Neither Tsunade, nor Itachi have this

If she'd get stuck, imagine that they could work this out as Kakashi and Naruto did and he would get damaged.

Not happening since that tactic only works if the action takes place exactly at the same position. What i mean is that it happens only if Obito warps one person at the same position he becomes intangible to dodge an attack. Kamui's dimension is huge. So the probability it happens in a fight is almost 0. It only happened at that moment because he thought Kakashi was already done for(out of chakra), he didn't notice Kyubi gave him chakra, so he was careless.

Don't forget this is a battle with full intel.
And both Tsunade and Itachi are 2 of the most intelligent people in this manga. They both have 5 in intelligence.

Full intel works for both. That means Obito also know every Itachi or Tsunade techniques, he will take this as an avantage to beat them even easier than it should usually be. Concerning Tsunade's intelligence, i believe her intelligence is rated in another category, her overall intelligence(knowlegde, medecine, etc). She doesn't have tactical and insight feats in battles like Itachi or Kakashi or Shikamaru, etc

Tsunade wouldn't get hit with Human Path as he'd had to touch her for good to be able to do it, that means no phasing and he is liable for an attack from her and she only needs 1 hit.

I don't see how Tsunade would avoid human path if even faster ninjas than her couldn't. Tsunade's speed is not that great. Proof of that is that she was the only kage who got pierce multiple times by Susanoo swords

 

[KidGamer65]

No, if she wouldn't have had the healing via Sozo Saisei, they would write she released Yin Seal chakra, not Sozo Saisei.
So you're wrong.
And I'm out since you don't understand basically the manga you're reading.

The manga clearly states Sozo Saisei was released do you know what the term "release" in Naruto means? Stop spouting the BS. Release means to cancel, to end, to stop.

Sozo Saisei was said to be used on Tsunade's body not others, another manga fact.

What you're saying makes ZERO sense since they said she released it, canceled it.

You have NO proof that she can heal others cells.

And don't you mean that you're out because you can't prove me wrong in any way shape or form?

Lol, concession accepted.

 

[Tazzilla88]

Physical attacks are the most laughable in the face of Kamui. Obito can slip through any attack, effortlessly. With Tsuande's speed, he will hardly have to 'stay on his toes' as you wrongly claim, especially considering her movement is so linear. It required Minato to resort to Hiraishin's instant movement in order to slay an openly inexperienced Obito. Ē, even with the Raiton no Yoroi activated, already proved that he could not best Obito's intangibility [

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]. Tsunade isn't going to turn and 'rip off his hand' whilst her soul is being swiped.

Despite the fact that Madara taught Obito the Rikudō no Jutsu in addition to the forbidden Uchiha techniques. Despite the fact that he's already shown he can use Gedō (Outer Path) with a stronger binding than even Nagato and implied that he can use Ningendō [

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]. He pretty much confirmed that the other jutsu of the 6 paths were accessible to him, he simply chose not to call them forth because of the chakra expenditure (which would've been very high because of him simultaneously controlling the bijū) [

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]. That is not the case here, so he would be free to use whatever is necessary without consequence.

So basically the reason we don't take the word of characters when they talk about themselves is that they lie.
By Tsunade's own admission she cannot be killed while using Sozo Saise.
So let's talk about what has actually been done.

So what your saying is that even though soul removal requires direct contact, and Tsunade could make a grab for Obito's hand which forces him to either release her or lose a hand, she will somehow not be able to force him to make a move? Ok.

 

[lol99]

lol kamui is more than enough for both of them

 

[Tazzilla88]

lol kamui is more than enough for both of them

lol not giving legit strategies
Kamui solos the So6P

 

[lol99]

lol not giving legit strategies
Kamui solos the So6P

*yawn* common statement posted by people when they dont have counter (______ solos So6P)
drag the sage's name when the thread has nothing to do with him ( and despite the manga repeatedly putting him on a god tier) in an attempt to downplay the OPness of a particular technique

 

[Itachi8179]

Dear KIDGAMER, obito cant use shinra tensei and banshou tein, he is not nagato stop talk nonsense....