Madara does not have amaterasu!!!

[NarutoVsGoku]

Fools using evidence from what Itachi said. It means nothing. Madaras Susanoo and Itachis Susanoo are not the same. Just cause they have the same name and the overall ability is the same (it forms a skeleton like cloak around the user), it doesn't mean it is the same jutsu. It's just like saying Obitos kamui is the same as Kakashis when it obviously isn't.. Same goes for KA..

Databook is only valid for Itachis susanoo. I am not saying Madara doesn't have amaterasu or tsukuyomi, but you have no valid evidence. A jutsu changes with time. Just look at narutos SM and his rasengan. Compare it to jiraya. It is the same names of the jutsu, but the actual jutsus are performed completely different. This goes for all jutsu in narutoverse. The user can develop it the way he wishes. Nothing is constant.

yes and no....

jutsus of the same name are the same but differ based on only the users skill level and how well he uses that jutsu..

toad sage for Naruto and Jiraiya are the same but differ cuz Naruto was better and mastered sage mode where Jiraiya didn't and Naruto didnt fuse with the toads and jiraiya did...

Madara and Itachis sasunoo are the same jutsu but different cuz Madara is able to go perfect, his grow to the point where it has legs, he can combine it with shadow clones and create multiple sasunoos... He's far superior at using sasunoo then both sasuke and itachi

He didn't use it on Bee. That was a simple paralyzing genjutsu, and it is even listed in the 3rd databook, and it's described just like, what we saw in the manga on Bee. Probably used it on Danzo though, but at that time he already had awakened Susano, so it's not really valid to say he needs it to use susanoo

show me the databook...

And its argueable that the jutsu that sasuke used was tsukiyomi...

And your arguement is invalid cuz you miss the point that I believe that Sasuke used tsukiyomi on bee, before fighting danzo, so based on that sasuke would have had tsukiyomi before sasunoo... So that would make it valid .... Or at least support the arguement that u need tsuki and ama before sasunoo

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

We didn't see the hole fight, just the part that was hashirama vs kyuubi, Also madara is there. He might have. Also, meteors ar probaly made with a form of chibaku tensei. I know, that doesent matter.

 

[thegame]

show me the databook...

And its argueable that the jutsu that sasuke used was tsukiyomi...

And your arguement is invalid cuz you miss the point that I believe that Sasuke used tsukiyomi on bee, before fighting danzo, so based on that sasuke would have had tsukiyomi before sasunoo... So that would make it valid .... Or at least support the arguement that u need tsuki and ama before sasunoo

Alright:

Demonic Illusion: Shackling Stakes Technique (魔幻・枷杭の術, Magen: Kasegui no Jutsu)
Genjutsu, Kekkei Genkai, No rank, Supplementary, Short range (0-5m)
Users: Uchiha Itachi, Uchiha Sasuke

A make-believe yoke piercing the limbs and body, completely snatching away one's freedom to move!! Once caught in the mind world created by the user, the victim will be tormented with the sensation of having wedges driven through their limbs, completely taking away their body's freedom. At the same time, the physical pain accompanying the illusion reveals the great use this technique has for primarily torture and such.

I think it was this despite its name. But sasuke calls most of his genjutsu by the same. "Genjutsu sharingan". at least according to translations. Whether he uses MS or 3 tomoe... It the same as, what both have used on Orochimaru.

 

[Xaviour]

1.) You don't have any proof that Madara didn't use Ammaterasu and Susanoo against Hashirama.
2.) Maybe he doesn't need to use it.
3.) Doesn't it state in the manga, that for someone to obtain Susanoo, they must have first unlocked Ammaterasu and Tsukuyomi?

Madara probably used Susanoo against Harashima, but not the perfect Susanoo as it can be taken in two ways as he said that anyone who has seen it dies, and if Rinnegan is needed to call it out then it is quite unlikely.

However I don't believe the has Amaterasu as if he had that he'd also have Tsukiyomi

Depending on your translation of the manga it could be taken to be "the last step" in order of evolution for the MS to unlock Susanoo after the first two so yes

 

[NarutoVsGoku]

Where do you fond the databook? Source?

 

[ITACHI UCHIHA 98]

Guys since we will never know for shure if Madara has or hasnt amaterasu we will youst have to keep waiting to see NarutovsGoku you are a big pain in the a$$ maybi the biggest i cant wait when Madara says that he hast amaterasu im going to shuw a sword in to youre a$$ al the way up bealive me)

 

[apple pie of doom]

For Susanoo you only have to be in possesion of a double mangekyou.
Sasuke said this around the kage attack thingy.
Sure Itachi said you need amaterasu and tsukiyomi, but that was earlier, remember Kakashi told us the sharingan came from the hyuuga?
This is lekely the same.

Also, EMS was also told to unlock a new technique, guess this is the perfect susanoo.
So it would make sense for every double mangekyou user to use susanoo.

 

[Deoinaidis]

Nice one there, I have some beliefs as to what you are saying, when considering the topic, madara mite not have amaterasu, maybe sauske and itachi were the part of the uchiha clan to achieve such intense jitsu "THE AMATERASUU!!!", which makes those two rank the best of the uchiha clan, but that's behind madara though without a doubt....

 

[thegame]

Where do you fond the databook? Source?

Christ, here it is:

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[Great Sage of Uchiha]

Sasuke
Left Eye: sharingan genjutsu:Tsukynomi
Right Eye: Amaterasu

Itachi
Left Eye: Amaterasu
Right Eye: tsukynomi

[ Itachi's and sasuke's eye abilities are backwards]

Obito

Left Eye: kumi people from a distance
Right Eye: kumi yourself and intangibility

 

[Champ]

Databook says you need Amaterasu & Tsukuyomi for Susano'o. Let's see he has Susano'o, and he wants to put the world in a infinite Tsukuyomi. Just cause he hasn't used Amaterasu doesn't mean he don't have it.

 

[thegame]

Databook says you need Amaterasu & Tsukuyomi for Susano'o. Let's see he has Susano'o, and he wants to put the world in a infinite Tsukuyomi. Just cause he hasn't used Amaterasu doesn't mean he don't have it.

You know. Tsukuyomi also means moon. So is it infinite moon, as it has also been called in the manga, the same as infinite tsukuyomi? It could very well be, and thus it means nothing like Madara having tsukuyomi.

 

[TheWillofFire]

A useless topic to discuss its futile until the evidence shows otherwisd

I personally think madara doesnt have amaterasu and sasuke doesnt have tsukuyomi
People reling too much on itachis abilities with his susanoo

We will never really know until there is evidence, its useless to argue and also useless to assume they have it just because itachi

 

[TheWillofFire]

Databook says you need Amaterasu & Tsukuyomi for Susano'o. Let's see he has Susano'o, and he wants to put the world in a infinite Tsukuyomi. Just cause he hasn't used Amaterasu doesn't mean he don't have it.

Databook also says the susanoos caster is itachi and itachi only

 

[TheWillofFire]

Databook says you need Amaterasu & Tsukuyomi for Susano'o. Let's see he has Susano'o, and he wants to put the world in a infinite Tsukuyomi. Just cause he hasn't used Amaterasu doesn't mean he don't have it.

Databook also says the susanoos caster is itachi and itachi only

 

[niblack89]

madara's mangekyo isn't amatersu, i think its the ability to rewind time to a certain period and changing your mistakes

Dude you played Ninja storm to much... No that's not Madara's power in the manga. That's call izanagi and Madara would have lost an eye.

Madara does have Amaterasu it obvious he does. He has Susanoo and Tsukuyomi (If anyone asks for proof of Tsukuyomi shoot your kneecaps with a shotgun) the reason he never uses it is probably 2 reasons.

1. He's weak with it. It's the same reason Sasuke doesn't spam his Tsukuyomi. He's not good with it.

2. When was the last time Sasuke or Itachi killed someone with Amaterasu. Amaterasu is sort of easy to dodge if you see it coming and it's way to easy to spot, seeing as your eye bleeds.

 

[Rikud0 Sennin]

Um, although it is unknown if Itachi was simply Lieing, because he does that, I think I should put up some information to support that you don't need amaretsu to have susano.
First, we know that Madara put his mind into black zetsu. Also, white zetsu has been Madara's ally for as long as we have known of him.
So, for black zetsu to know everything that madara knows, and still say THIS ""Amaretsu" burns anything that enters the eyes field of vision to cinders with an unholy black flame... Or so I've heard"

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Then, why would zetsu be so excited to see it, if not for the fist time?
That was his whole reason of going to spectate Sasuke's battle in the first place. To see amaretsu. Since it, pretty much is madara, why would madara be so enthused about this jutsu, unless he does not have it. Unless he wants it.

 

[ITACHI UCHIHA 98]

By unlocking EMS he could use susanoo doesnt mean he need amaterasu and tsukoyomi for it

 

[ITACHI UCHIHA 98]

Um, although it is unknown if Itachi was simply Lieing, because he does that, I think I should put up some information to support that you don't need amaretsu to have susano.
First, we know that Madara put his mind into black zetsu. Also, white zetsu has been Madara's ally for as long as we have known of him.
So, for black zetsu to know everything that madara knows, and still say THIS ""Amaretsu" burns anything that enters the eyes field of vision to cinders with an unholy black flame... Or so I've heard"

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Then, why would zetsu be so excited to see it, if not for the fist time?
That was his whole reason of going to spectate Sasuke's battle in the first place. To see amaretsu. Since it, pretty much is madara, why would madara be so enthused about this jutsu, unless he does not have it. Unless he wants it.

I like how you work man like the theore very very much

 

[thegame]

Um, although it is unknown if Itachi was simply Lieing, because he does that, I think I should put up some information to support that you don't need amaretsu to have susano.
First, we know that Madara put his mind into black zetsu. Also, white zetsu has been Madara's ally for as long as we have known of him.
So, for black zetsu to know everything that madara knows, and still say THIS ""Amaretsu" burns anything that enters the eyes field of vision to cinders with an unholy black flame... Or so I've heard"

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Then, why would zetsu be so excited to see it, if not for the fist time?
That was his whole reason of going to spectate Sasuke's battle in the first place. To see amaretsu. Since it, pretty much is madara, why would madara be so enthused about this jutsu, unless he does not have it. Unless he wants it.

Madara put his will into black zetsu. It has nothing to do with knowledge, and we have no information if he gave it any knowledge at all.