I think Bleach is overal better than Naruto

[Punk Hazard]

that's not true man, trust me i know what i'm talking about. Law, Merry, Dragon, the Lightning that stopped Luffy's execution when Smoker said "it's like God himself stopped that from happening," Iva saving Luffy was "Beyond a miracle" as Iva said, which is deus ex machina, the Sea Kings coming in and stopping the Noah from destroying Fishman Island was deus ex machina... in literature we use it for way more than the way google or wiki defines it. trust me, these are all deus ex machina and Luffy always get bailed out at the last moment, i mean no one can deny that. and when he or anyone else is saved by a "miracle" or "act of god" or even a "coincidence" that is too much to be a mere coincidence, that's all deus ex machina. My friend, u know i'm an English teacher... just trust me on this one. it's deus ex machina when it's a miracle, act of god, too much of a coincidence, or any other unexplained event that saves someone's life at the very last second--even Aokiji coming in and taking it upon himself to save little Robin's life rather than kill her counts as d.e.m. Someone being miraculously saved when they should die, however it happens, would count as d.e.m UNLESS you were taking a Greek Tragedy/Greek Drama course. because in that case, you'd use it in the strict definition as it applies to Greek theater. but yeah, its use is extended to the things i've mentioned

and dude, i'm saying i LIKE one piece, so why does everyone treat me so poorly just cuz i say i like Naruto better? i don't understand that, i mean this isn't even a One Piece forum...
and as a Naruto fan, i'm more than willing to accept whatever people say about Naruto and i'm also willing to admit it's shortcomings but people are mean and rude to me just cuz i like Naruto better like it's a crime or something

The Sea Kings thing isn't a DEM. it was stated that when Shirahoshi is in distress, she subconsciously calls the Sea Kings to her aid.

And no, it isn't a crime that you like Naruto better and no one is being rude or treating you ill because of it. I simply disagreed with something you said, and since this is a dicussion, I addressed it.

By the way bro, I don't give a damn who you are or what you do, if I feel like addressing something yôu post, I will.

 

[TobisPawn]

This is coming from the guy that thinks Tobi is better than Madara.

As a character? Yes, Tobi > Madara. In a battle, give him his Jinchuurikis and he stands a fair chance. What are you trying to get at?

 

[NaruGoku]

The only real Deux ex Machina here are Law, Merry and Dragon. Also, you talk as if Naruto doesn't have many itself.

Examples?

How about Lee suddenly having Gates and weights on so his speed could increase against Gaara?
How about the Kyuubi magically saving Naruto multiple times?
How about Kakashi suddenly being able to spam Kamui?
How about Gaara suddenly being able to substitute and slip out of his sand shell to save himself against Lee?
How about Pein's Shinra Tensei suddenly coming back right when Rasenshuriken was about to hit?
And that's just a few examples.

Did u not read my post? i said that i'm more than willing to discuss Naruto's shortcomings, and i never said naruto didn't have Deus Ex Machina cuz it's true, he'd be dead without Kurama. But Lee didn't "suddenly" have Gates and weights, he trained that way for years. and Gaara's ability is sand, he was always able to do that, and even Kamui/Rasenshurken don't count as Deus Ex Machina. D.E.M is counted when it's seen as a miracle, when some outside force intervenes, when something happens and it's a miralce with no other explanation. Shinra tensei coming back was simply a matter of time, Kamui--well we could have any number of reasons for that but for argument's sake, i'll give you that one. so of all the things u said, Kamui's the only one that comes close, and it's not even DEM. it was inevitable that he'd be able to use it several times, and plus the kyuubi restored his chakra. but like i said, i'll give it to you. the only REAL DEM was Kimimaro dying right as he was gonna kill Lee/Gaara, that was the true life saving miracle besides Kurama restoring Naruto's life. other than that, no, naruto doesn't often use DEM. and that wasn't my point, my point was the OP uses it ALL the time, that's it.

Also, DEM is not a bad thing. ALL i said was that i don't like how OP uses it all the time, AND i said it's the ONLY thing don't like about OP. so i like OP, but when there's ONE thing i DON't like it suddenly turns into a big deal? that's BS

and EDIT: yes, Shirahoshi calling the Sea Kings was DEM. her ability awakened just as her world was about to be destroyed, it was miraculous. i know about her ability, and it was a miracle that she happened to use it right at that moment.

and yeah, i know what Deus Ex Machina is. i know ALL about it. all the naruto things u pointed to, i'm sorry but they aren't DEM. DEM is something that happens as a miracle like Luffy miraculously surviving Magellans poison, Shirahoshi miraculously awakening her power before everyone died, Law miraculously showing up, Dragon showing up out of nowhere, Lightning striking just as Luffy was about to be decapitated, the Merry coming to Enies Lobby, these are all miralces or coincidences that were way too big to be called coincidences.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Did u not read my post? i said that i'm more than willing to discuss Naruto's shortcomings, and i never said naruto didn't have Deus Ex Machina cuz it's true, he'd be dead without Kurama. But Lee didn't "suddenly" have Gates and weights, he trained that way for years. and Gaara's ability is sand, he was always able to do that, and even Kamui/Rasenshurken don't count as Deus Ex Machina. D.E.M is counted when it's seen as a miracle, when some outside force intervenes, when something happens and it's a miralce with no other explanation. Shinra tensei coming back was simply a matter of time, Kamui--well we could have any number of reasons for that but for argument's sake, i'll give you that one. so of all the things u said, Kamui's the only one that comes close, and it's not even DEM. it was inevitable that he'd be able to use it several times, and plus the kyuubi restored his chakra. but like i said, i'll give it to you. the only REAL DEM was Kimimaro dying right as he was gonna kill Lee/Gaara, that was the true life saving miracle besides Kurama restoring Naruto's life. other than that, no, naruto doesn't often use DEM. and that wasn't my point, my point was the OP uses it ALL the time, that's it.

Also, DEM is not a bad thing. ALL i said was that i don't like how OP uses it all the time, AND i said it's the ONLY thing don't like about OP. so i like OP, but when there's ONE thing i DON't like you have to get mean and defensive? what's your problem dude?

I'm not being mean. I just disagreed with you. If you consider than mean, then you're gonna hate the world.

And I guess you can say I'm being defensive. But that isn't a negative thing here since by being defensive, I'm simply backing up my claims. Not to mention you're being defensive yourself.

 

[Lentz]

Lol. Walls of text everywhere. I don't mind really, I just think that liking of any kind of art, including mangas, shouldn't be based on a set of fixed rules. That's what art is about. It frees our minds of rules imposed on us by daily life. One shouldn't really seek for any reasons to like it. It simply either touches our souls or not. I don't need a single fu*king reason to like Naruto, or Bleach, or OP, or Hellsing, or Deathnote or whatever. Give me 100 reasons why I shouldn't, and I won't care. Lol, repetitive plots? Deus ex Machina? Who the f... cares? You want to analyse the manga? Sure, I love that, let's analyse the fu*k out of it, but please don't use that to try to influence other's opinions about it.


And what's with all the grammar nazis and anti-swearing pacifists (pussies)? This is a motherfu*king anime/manga forum, not a fu*king university. One can use improper grammar and foul language as much as he/she fu*king wants. If you came here to act high and mighty based on your writing skills, then I suggest you take your spoiled opinions, and your perfect GRAMMER and shove them right up your a$$es.

 

[NaruGoku]

I'm not being mean. I just disagreed with you. If you consider than mean, then you're gonna hate the world.

And I guess you can say I'm being defensive. But that isn't a negative thing here since by being defensive, I'm simply backing up my claims. Not to mention you're being defensive yourself.

it's true i'm being defensive, but that's cuz i felt i was being attacked--and it wasn't you, there was two other guys earlier who were being REAL f'n jerks and i was pissed about it. Disagreement is fine, but those guys were grade A *******s and so i was getting defensive about it. Sorry about that, i didn't mean to take it out on you

 

[Punk Hazard]

it's true i'm being defensive, but that's cuz i felt i was being attacked--and not really you even, there was two other guys earlier who were being REAL f'n jerks and i was pissed about it. Disagreement is fine, but those guys were grade A *******s and so i was getting defensive about it. Sorry about that, i didn't mean to take it out on you

It's cool. I can't stand people like that, they ruin discussions.

 

[Akatsuki wise guy]

where did you see me denying anything? or are you just going to duck and dodge my question as usual. what i said i stand by it. im telling you that trying to compare bleach to naruto is different from comparing op to naruto. And how am i denying that when people buy something they think its good? open your eyes for once, i clearly and repeatedly have said when naruto has more sells than bleach it means more people prefer it, so its fcking obvious that they would think its good. damn, you really do have comprehension issues, i dont know how many times i told you that those sells means more people prefers it, which could also mean for the ones who read/watch both (naruto and bleach) that they THINK naruto is better. Thats called personal preference, TO THEM its better, but there are others who dont think so, saying naruto > bleach or bleach > naruto isnt fact. what your problem is that since it sells more copies or is higher on the popularity poll we can come to the conclusion that it is better, which is false. but since you are bitching saying comparing op to naruto can better my argument, i will use one my self and i would use your shit logic... the "Avatar" is the top grossing films of all time, does that most mean its fact that it is the best movie of all time? no, all that means is that its more popular, and more people payed to watch it. Or how about justin beiber, he sells out wherever he goes, is probably the most popular singer in the world, but does that mean he is the best singer? no, it means more people like him, its not fact that he is a better singer than singers who arent a popular. you get? or you are too retarded to understand. also dont dck ride trying to defend beibers honor again, no one is dissing him.

Oh the irony, talking about someones grammar again now are we? keep avoiding the topic at hand, but in the end you havent proved anything. im not going to repeat my self what fact and preferences is again, what you are saying is basically how more people THINK naruto is better which i already knew that before your retarded ass even quoted me, you think youre making a point but you are only proving my point dipshit.

youre amused? dont know why when youre the one whos butthurt and have comprehension problems, from what i can tell you dont know what the following means:

-fact
-opinion/preferences

and those are pretty easy to understand but you have a problem with that for some odd reason.

Fail. so because the majority thinks naruto > bleach, that means "its a fail". haha, if thats what YOU think thats what YOU think, you cant speak for others opinions, thats your opinion. the majority likes it more, good for them, some of them probably still loves bleach, some of them probably dont, but it doesnt mean its fact which since obviously there are people who disagree with that.

so you know the levels of literature? tell me more professor, is this narutobase or a college paper that should be turned in for grading? you have failed again.

lmao, nice job avoiding the question. i asked you what is your point and you say im just giving reasons to why my opinion is more backed up. how about you tell us what that opinion is dipshit instead of avoiding questions once again. also i keep telling you that i understand the more people prefer naruto over bleach idiot. so again, whats your point.

@ Lentz: i fully agree with the bold parts

You have dumb replies as usual.

You constantly get worse and worse. I keep telling you that I know it is preferences. But naruto has the sheer number of people who prefer it. That is all I'm pointing out ****tard!!!

There is no reason as to why bleach and naruto can't be compared I'm not sure why you pulled this out of your ass. I never said you denied that that means it is good. I brought it up because it shows that a majority of people think that Naruto quality>Bleach quality that is that. You are all entitled to your preferences but that is a statistical fact. They prefer naruto as they find it in most ways better or more appealing. How many times do I have to say I'm not passing it as fact but more of a showing of data. You can't argue as there is nothing else to say. We all have our preferences but most people prefer naruto to bleach. Nothing more can be argued there.

You clearly don't know the difference between neglecting and denying.

You are honestly stupid for thinking these are credible examples.

Why was Avatar successful?
Because it dominated over all other movies in the graphics department. That was why people watched it. Not cause of story but the viewing itself was breath taking. It is not no.1 for story but for the graphics which was the main drive of it's campaigns. That is why it is so praised and put over all movies which try to use graphics in that way because it is mostly better than all of those in that respect. All manga are serious in japan. They look for quality among other things and the art is not much as the story and characters far outweigh it. In comparison to holloywood movies where you must need spectacular visuals these days which is why it is no.1. Your comparing to different industris with different expectations. Naruto and bleach don't have anything that great in the art department as neither get much praise so that is a non factor. So for naruto and bleach is is story and character that should be compared. And they are in the same genre really so it is up to which is better at doing what they both do.

Why is Justin bieber famous and successful?
Because he dominates in his age group in the talent department as well as the fact he has many skilled writers ready to help him make no.1 singles that put him on the top of his chart. He may not be better than some no names but those who are famous are considered outclassed by the fact that he at his age can sing better than most of his competition. That is why usher chose him. That is why this is not a good comparison as naruto and bleach are both well known and most people have seen both but prefer naruto. That is not always the case with bieber.

There is nothing ironic everyone in this thread has displayed better grammar then you! You think that your proving that there is no way to get past preferences. However I was never trying that I was just adding evidence as to why mine is more agreed on. ****tard.

I'm not butthurt your just illiterate.

FAIL MAJOR FAIL!!!
"And there it is the problem with bleach. It's inability to hold on to it's readers. And that is why it is fail."
Your so stupid I'm not saying it is cuz of the majority thing it is because of this^ ****TARD LMFAO!!!

LOL you are pathetic. I don't have to be a professor to instantly see and criticize such weak writing. No wonder you are so horrible you have the standards all wrong. Idiot.

How am I avoiding questions dipshit? I have stated A BILLION TIMES that I as a a reader of both feel Naruto>Bleach but that is my opinion. I simply brought up statistics to show you what the general consensus is. There is nothing more to it as neither of us will change our opinions. LOL so dumb.

 

[lubricati0n]

yes, i was redundant to make a point. i was accused of being a fanboy when all i said was naruto was better in my opinion. people didn't seem to understand so i repeated myself. and i like One Piece, but for some reason, no matter how much i say i like one piece, people get upset or simply ignore it cuz i like Naruto better.

and i assume u know what Deus Ex Machina is since ur asking right? well, how about Enies Lobby? they were dead, but then they got balied out at the last minute by Going Merry. what about Kuma? he was supposed to kill them but he bailed them out by simlply sending them flying. what about Loguetown? Smoker had Luffy, but at the very last second, Dragon saved him. What about Magellan's poison? Luffy was gonna die but he just happened to get saved by Iva and once again, he was bailed out at the last second. that's Deus Ex Machina, getting bailed out when a situation seems hopeless and it happens to Luffy all the time. saying every chapter was of course a hyperbole, but he's always bailed out at the last second. and what about FishMan Island? the entire island was almost destroyed but at the very last second the Sea Kings swooped in and stopped the Noah, and i mean that's Deus Ex Machina as it was used in the Greek days, literally gods (i know the sea kings aren't gods but that's what it was like) swooping in to save the day. and what about the Marinford War? Law showed up JUST as Luffy was about to die and saved his ass in the nick of time. OH, and then there's the ULTIMATE deus ex machina in Loguetown--Luffy was about to be beheaded but f'n Lightning struck right where he was and saved him life. there are TONS of instances of Deus Ex Machina. Hell, there are lots more, but the show/manga is so long that i can't simply think up every single one off the top of my head

That's exactly what a fanboy is. Are you some credible expert? No you're not. Don't you know what a fanboy is? Blinded by their own opinion like yourself Opinions are great and all, but not when some are just plain bad.

Here's an example of your oh so obvious fanboyism.

"People say Oda had much better character development than Kishi... but that's not even close to true... i can't even believe that people say it."

That's a joke, I look at the K11 and puke at the little to no development they have in post time-skip. The K11 does not have to have equal character development to Naruto/Sasuke, but they deserve WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYY more then what they have now. There was LOTS of potential with the characters, especially the Hyuga, but now the Hyuga clan compared to the Uchiha is just plain fodder.

You also say ninjutsu > shinigami powers and devil fruits which is VERY clear fanboyism. "and yes, the techniques are much better..." Who's to say that bro? Not you.

Next you say Naruto has Religion, Myth, History, Sci-Fi, Fanstasy, martial arts and realism, which is even more bullshit. Most of these apply to only a select group of characters, and not enough is applied through the Naruto universe to even say that Naruto has all these themes or whatever you want to call them.

Myth and History? 99.9% of this is all on the Uchiha and their powers, Konoha too.
Realism? Only place I see this is Naruto and other select few characters, but still mostly Naruto.
Religion? lol what religion? Do you mean that terrible character named Tobi with a God-like complex?

And finally the most obvious fanboyism is where you say you can write 20-25 pages about why "YOU" think Naruto is the best.

The only people who can say something with no "fanboyism" is an expert/critic, not fans like me or you or anyone else on NB. Therefore, you are just a fanboy with biased posts like everyone else. Nothing wrong with that bro, just admit it.

 

[Mosgoved]

You have dumb replies as usual.

You constantly get worse and worse. I keep telling you that I know it is preferences. But naruto has the sheer number of people who prefer it. That is all I'm pointing out ****tard!!!

There is no reason as to why bleach and naruto can't be compared I'm not sure why you pulled this out of your ass. I never said you denied that that means it is good. I brought it up because it shows that a majority of people think that Naruto quality>Bleach quality that is that. You are all entitled to your preferences but that is a statistical fact. They prefer naruto as they find it in most ways better or more appealing. How many times do I have to say I'm not passing it as fact but more of a showing of data. You can't argue as there is nothing else to say. We all have our preferences but most people prefer naruto to bleach. Nothing more can be argued there.

You clearly don't know the difference between neglecting and denying.

You are honestly stupid for thinking these are credible examples.

Why was Avatar successful?
Because it dominated over all other movies in the graphics department. That was why people watched it. Not cause of story but the viewing itself was breath taking. It is not no.1 for story but for the graphics which was the main drive of it's campaigns. That is why it is so praised and put over all movies which try to use graphics in that way because it is mostly better than all of those in that respect. All manga are serious in japan. They look for quality among other things and the art is not much as the story and characters far outweigh it. In comparison to holloywood movies where you must need spectacular visuals these days which is why it is no.1. Your comparing to different industris with different expectations. Naruto and bleach don't have anything that great in the art department as neither get much praise so that is a non factor. So for naruto and bleach is is story and character that should be compared. And they are in the same genre really so it is up to which is better at doing what they both do.

Why is Justin bieber famous and successful?
Because he dominates in his age group in the talent department as well as the fact he has many skilled writers ready to help him make no.1 singles that put him on the top of his chart. He may not be better than some no names but those who are famous are considered outclassed by the fact that he at his age can sing better than most of his competition. That is why usher chose him. That is why this is not a good comparison as naruto and bleach are both well known and most people have seen both but prefer naruto. That is not always the case with bieber.

There is nothing ironic everyone in this thread has displayed better grammar then you! You think that your proving that there is no way to get past preferences. However I was never trying that I was just adding evidence as to why mine is more agreed on. ****tard.

I'm not butthurt your just illiterate.

FAIL MAJOR FAIL!!!
"And there it is the problem with bleach. It's inability to hold on to it's readers. And that is why it is fail."
Your so stupid I'm not saying it is cuz of the majority thing it is because of this^ ****TARD LMFAO!!!

LOL you are pathetic. I don't have to be a professor to instantly see and criticize such weak writing. No wonder you are so horrible you have the standards all wrong. Idiot.

How am I avoiding questions dipshit? I have stated A BILLION TIMES that I as a a reader of both feel Naruto>Bleach but that is my opinion. I simply brought up statistics to show you what the general consensus is. There is nothing more to it as neither of us will change our opinions. LOL so dumb.

if mines are dumb yours must be purely shit.

and i know that, but if you took your head out of your ass you would of known i agree that more people prefer naruto idiot.

hey dumbass, i said comparing bleach to naruto is different comparing op to naruto, open your fcking eyes dipshit. yes, more people prefer naruto over bleach, i been saying that the whole time, so whats the problem. sigh, you seem to have the impression that i dont know more people like naruto over bleach, that was what i was trying to explain to you, i dont fcking care if you think naruto is better or bleach fails, thats your opinion, that is not how this whole discussion started. remember, you felt some kind of way about my opinions (which i said its my opinion) on naruto. i like both mangas, but to me, bleach shits on naruto currently, you couldnt take my opinion so you tried to be a condescending smartass, thats your fault. and what exactly am i arguing because you cleary have a misinterpretation of what my point is?

i do, you dont know the difference between fact, majority, and opinions.

is that right, hmm, and yet again you post more bullshit. haha

was that my fcking questions dipshit, no. but to dumb it down for you, IS JB A BETTER SINGER THAN THOSE WHO ARENT AS POPULAR and IS AVATAR THE BEST MOVIE/BETTER THAN THOSE WHO HAVE LESS SELLS/POPULARITY? i didnt even attempt to read your wall of shit when you tried to twist my questions. answer them, then i will respond to your bullshit accordingly.

but it is ironic because you are bitching about grammar mistakes when you yourself have made them on numerous occasions. i think you dont understand that i dont give a fck about you disliking bleach, thats your opinion. so again, what are you still blabbering about?

"I'm not butthurt your just illiterate." nice comback haha, like i said, oh the irony.

you didnt get my point, the point was you are declaring it as a fail as if you speak for others, also, has it occurred to you that there are readers who stopped reading naruto, by your shit logic its a fail. you have failed again.

oh my god, i dont have a fcking problem with your opinion you imbecile. and i understand what those sells and popularity polls meant, but that wasnt your problem with me, it was MY opinion about the manga YOU think so highly of. Next time try to understand that everybody isnt going to like what you like dipshit. if im dumb, youre fcking retarded.

 

[NarutoLuffy313]

As a character? Yes, Tobi > Madara. In a battle, give him his Jinchuurikis and he stands a fair chance. What are you trying to get at?

Loltobi.The guy did a dead person's bidding over a freaking girl..loltobi
..Madara stomps Tobi like the piece of trash he is. Don't make me bring up OBD calcs..

 

[Akatsuki wise guy]

if mines are dumb yours must be purely shit.

and i know that, but if you took your head out of your ass you would of known i agree that more people prefer naruto idiot.

hey dumbass, i said comparing bleach to naruto is different comparing op to naruto, open your fcking eyes dipshit. yes, more people prefer naruto over bleach, i been saying that the whole time, so whats the problem. sigh, you seem to have the impression that i dont know more people like naruto over bleach, that was what i was trying to explain to you, i dont fcking care if you think naruto is better or bleach fails, thats your opinion, that is not how this whole discussion started. remember, you felt some kind of way about my opinions (which i said its my opinion) on naruto. i like both mangas, but to me, bleach shits on naruto currently, you couldnt take my opinion so you tried to be a condescending smartass, thats your fault. and what exactly am i arguing because you cleary have a misinterpretation of what my point is?

i do, you dont know the difference between fact, majority, and opinions.

is that right, hmm, and yet again you post more bullshit. haha

was that my fcking questions dipshit, no. but to dumb it down for you, IS JB A BETTER SINGER THAN THOSE WHO ARENT AS POPULAR and IS AVATAR THE BEST MOVIE/BETTER THAN THOSE WHO HAVE LESS SELLS/POPULARITY? i didnt even attempt to read your wall of shit when you tried to twist my questions. answer them, then i will respond to your bullshit accordingly.

but it is ironic because you are bitching about grammar mistakes when you yourself have made them on numerous occasions. i think you dont understand that i dont give a fck about you disliking bleach, thats your opinion. so again, what are you still blabbering about?

"I'm not butthurt your just illiterate." nice comback haha, like i said, oh the irony.

you didnt get my point, the point was you are declaring it as a fail as if you speak for others, also, has it occurred to you that there are readers who stopped reading naruto, by your shit logic its a fail. you have failed again.

oh my god, i dont have a fcking problem with your opinion you imbecile. and i understand what those sells and popularity polls meant, but that wasnt your problem with me, it was MY opinion about the manga YOU think so highly of. Next time try to understand that everybody isnt going to like what you like dipshit. if im dumb, youre fcking retarded.

If mine is bullshit then yours is garbage!

Did i say you did not agree ****tard? I am just stating my opinion and what I'm talking about cuntface.

R u stupid did I not say there is no reason for them to be compared differently?
"There is no reason as to why bleach and naruto can't be compared" Dumb****.
You "i been saying that the whole time, so whats the problem"
My previous post "I brought it up because it shows that a majority of people think that Naruto quality>Bleach quality that is that. You are all entitled to your preferences but that is a statistical fact. They prefer naruto as they find it in most ways better or more appealing. How many times do I have to say I'm not passing it as fact but more of a showing of data. You can't argue as there is nothing else to say. We all have our preferences but most people prefer naruto to bleach. Nothing more can be argued there." Cuntface do you not know how to read?

No I know the difference but you do not know the difference between denying and neglecting given the way you used the word denying as you used it in a poor manner than did not make sense to what I wrote.

Is bullshit for you something to complex for you to understand. I perfectly answered your question taking into account all elements. You say I need simplifying yet you can't even comprehend what I wrote which is why you don't thinks it's an answer it is beyond you shithead.

Really? "Your" is an actual word "youre" is not. Idiot.

That was my opinion shithead. But since you brought it up it is a failure as despite being one of "the three" it has not only fallen out of the top 10 but it's anime was canceled. On top of it all for the last year or so it has been heavily panned by fans and critics alike. Here is the difference all manga have people funneling in and out but with naruto that is mostly to just take a break. In comparison so many bleach fans have dumped the manga that it has led to all of the above^ Naruto is always in the top 3 can't say the same for bleach.

"I have stated A BILLION TIMES that I as a a reader of both feel Naruto>Bleach but that is my opinion. I simply brought up statistics to show you what the general consensus is. There is nothing more to it as neither of us will change our opinions. LOL so dumb." Do you read? I fully stated what has been going on. Don't repeat the same question that has already been answered ****tard.

 

[Akatsuki wise guy]

I'm probably leaving now I'll continue tomorrow. I hope people continue commenting and have a good read.

 

[Mosgoved]

If mine is bullshit then yours is garbage!

Did i say you did not agree ****tard? I am just stating my opinion and what I'm talking about cuntface.

R u stupid did I not say there is no reason for them to be compared differently?
"There is no reason as to why bleach and naruto can't be compared" Dumb****.
You "i been saying that the whole time, so whats the problem"
My previous post "I brought it up because it shows that a majority of people think that Naruto quality>Bleach quality that is that. You are all entitled to your preferences but that is a statistical fact. They prefer naruto as they find it in most ways better or more appealing. How many times do I have to say I'm not passing it as fact but more of a showing of data. You can't argue as there is nothing else to say. We all have our preferences but most people prefer naruto to bleach. Nothing more can be argued there." Cuntface do you not know how to read?

No I know the difference but you do not know the difference between denying and neglecting given the way you used the word denying as you used it in a poor manner than did not make sense to what I wrote.

Is bullshit for you something to complex for you to understand. I perfectly answered your question taking into account all elements. You say I need simplifying yet you can't even comprehend what I wrote which is why you don't thinks it's an answer it is beyond you shithead.

Really? "Your" is an actual word "youre" is not. Idiot.

That was my opinion shithead. But since you brought it up it is a failure as despite being one of "the three" it has not only fallen out of the top 10 but it's anime was canceled. On top of it all for the last year or so it has been heavily panned by fans and critics alike. Here is the difference all manga have people funneling in and out but with naruto that is mostly to just take a break. In comparison so many bleach fans have dumped the manga that it has led to all of the above^ Naruto is always in the top 3 can't say the same for bleach.

"I have stated A BILLION TIMES that I as a a reader of both feel Naruto>Bleach but that is my opinion. I simply brought up statistics to show you what the general consensus is. There is nothing more to it as neither of us will change our opinions. LOL so dumb." Do you read? I fully stated what has been going on. Don't repeat the same question that has already been answered ****tard.

i know yours is but what is mine? thats how childish you sound right now.

what you did was keep repeating what i already explained to you but you seemed to act as if i was saying the oppostie, so yes dipshit, you thought i disagreed because if you didnt there wouldnt be any purpose of repeating that. failed again.

and i said to you theyre are different, so trying that to supposedly "better your argument" (whatever that was) was unnecessary, but whatever, i used your shit logic to make your argument invalid. what the hell am im arguing? did i hint to you i had a problem with those sells/popularity polls? so your whole point is to show me those statistics to tell me the naruto is more preferred? if thats your point, no one is disputing that. but my point to you before the bitching started is that your opinions are your opinions, and just because the majority thinks naruto is better doesnt mean you or anybody can conclude that from those statistics, naruto > bleach is fact. thats it. and again, im not saying naruto isnt more liked you fcking imbecile, i knew that already, so take your own advice and learn to read dipshit.

and you dont know what the differences between, majority, fact, and opinions. i guess we both have to work on something dumbass.

you perfectly answered my questions? bitch please, you twisted my questions, then answered, that isnt what i asked retard. you did need simplifying, because you cleary couldnt comprehend my exact question dumbass.

really? this is what you said "I'm not butthurt your just illiterate" since your grammar is so great you would of known it is *you're (since you have to have punctuation on a naruto forum), also you forgot to add an "," after "butthurt", thats why i said, "oh the irony", because youre bitching about grammar when you your self have made numerous mistakes. failed again.

and another fail, i used your shit logic, dont put words in my mouth, you said since it lost its readers it is a fail, by that shit logic every manga/anime have failed. and again throwing around how this and last fell out of the top 10 sells blah blah blah is falling on deaf ears, i dont give a fck that it dropped out of the top 10 (which i already knew), that doesnt change my opinion on it. your problem is that you think since it isnt as popular and lost sells from last year it means its shit. thats your fcked up opinion which no one cares about. naruto is always in the top 3, lets celebrate guys, this obviously mean that it is better than others ranked below it. btw thats your shit logic.

and you cant understand that i get that thats your opinion and those statistics are saying naruto is more popular. but you keep bitching for some reason, so i think you are the one who needs to learn how to read.

 

[TobisPawn]

Loltobi.The guy did a dead person's bidding over a freaking girl..loltobi
..Madara stomps Tobi like the piece of trash he is. Don't make me bring up OBD calcs..

I liked Tobi before his reveal as Obito, and before his backstory. I'm talking about the masked man. Obito as a whole as shitty though. And how exactly is Madara stomping 6 Bijuu, Gedo Mazo, and possibly Juubi when he himself compared PS to one Bijuu? :giogio Calcs aren't everything, and they're really not necessary in within-verse battles, or whatever you want to call it.

We're going off topic, though. I don't see how this makes Naruto > OP.

 

[Itachi Minato]

yes, i was redundant to make a point. i was accused of being a fanboy when all i said was naruto was better in my opinion. people didn't seem to understand so i repeated myself. and i like One Piece, but for some reason, no matter how much i say i like one piece, people get upset or simply ignore it cuz i like Naruto better.

and i assume u know what Deus Ex Machina is since ur asking right? well, how about Enies Lobby? they were dead, but then they got balied out at the last minute by Going Merry. what about Kuma? he was supposed to kill them but he bailed them out by simply sending them flying. what about Loguetown? Smoker had Luffy, but at the very last second, Dragon saved him. What about Magellan's poison? Luffy was gonna die but he just happened to get saved by Iva and once again, he was bailed out at the last second. that's Deus Ex Machina, getting bailed out when a situation seems hopeless and it happens to Luffy all the time. saying every chapter was of course a hyperbole, but he's always bailed out at the last second. and what about FishMan Island? the entire island was almost destroyed but at the very last second the Sea Kings swooped in and stopped the Noah, and i mean that's Deus Ex Machina as it was used in the Greek days, literally gods (i know the sea kings aren't gods but that's what it was like) swooping in to save the day. and what about the Marinford War? Law showed up JUST as Luffy was about to die and saved his ass in the nick of time. OH, and then there's the ULTIMATE deus ex machina in Loguetown--Luffy was about to be beheaded but f'n Lightning struck right where he was and saved him life. there are TONS of instances of Deus Ex Machina. Hell, there are lots more, but the show/manga is so long that i can't simply think up every single one off the top of my head

noo. It may be a deus ex machine but it is part of the plot. Everyone knows that luffy is extremely lucky and him being saved is about as much as naruto but i will proceed to counter your points. I have no problem with u preferring naruto but wat u wrote I disagree with. They maybe deus ex machine but they all serve and have a purpose which naruto does not. The merry one I agree with. The Kuma one is a deus ex machine but it has its reasons. Because Kuma saved them Oda was able to reveal he is part of the revolutionary government and used it to further the plot. It brought to life many interesting theories and has been explained more in detail(The fact that kuma has now become a mindless machine so that was his final act of being himself) Also by bailing them out Oda was able to create a timeskip and make them all much stronger.
The dragon one I completely disagree with. Oda needed to bring out Dragon at some point. Smoker was the first logia we met. It showed us that normal people are unable to attack smoker so we may be left thinking that logia are OP. Dragon served the purpose of showing us that it is possible to touch logia as well as giving rise to theories about who he is.We find out 300 episode later why he did it and it gives ua a bit of luffys past and it is giving us a bit of wat the government is like.(The fact that people are opposing it)


We know for a fact that luffy has strong will power and when u are going to save ur brother I am sure ur willpower will help you. Oda made it very clear using Ivankov that only people with strong will could survive and the fact that luffy survived quicker than normal showed us how special he is(Kings Haki). Because of ivankov we got to see a bit of the strength of the revolutionaries since they are just a small part of them and they are pretty powerful. It gives us insight as to how powerful Dragon really is.

I hope u get the point. I think it is amazing that Oda finds a way to save luffy using deus ex machine but I never thought of all the times he has been saved because Oda covers it up because it is believable and it greatly furthers the story. He makes use of it but it seems realistic as he uses these instances to make the story more interesting. Never has luffy been saved and it seems completely impossible except the going merry one.

You can like naruto more but kishi uses plot no jutsu and makes it unrealistic which I think makes Oda the better writer. I wont say anything about the character development cos K11 might as well be dead since naruto original. Please explain how kishi has better character development than kishi.

 

[blazekev90]

used to watch bleach till the damn filler started. Is it worth picking up again??

yes it is, i just started again three weeks ago, just was my first time reading its manga but it has been VERY GOOD!!!!

 

[Vegeta]

Shouldn't this thread be posted on BleachBase? Just curious

 

[Akatsuki wise guy]

i know yours is but what is mine? thats how childish you sound right now.

what you did was keep repeating what i already explained to you but you seemed to act as if i was saying the oppostie, so yes dipshit, you thought i disagreed because if you didnt there wouldnt be any purpose of repeating that. failed again.

and i said to you theyre are different, so trying that to supposedly "better your argument" (whatever that was) was unnecessary, but whatever, i used your shit logic to make your argument invalid. what the hell am im arguing? did i hint to you i had a problem with those sells/popularity polls? so your whole point is to show me those statistics to tell me the naruto is more preferred? if thats your point, no one is disputing that. but my point to you before the bitching started is that your opinions are your opinions, and just because the majority thinks naruto is better doesnt mean you or anybody can conclude that from those statistics, naruto > bleach is fact. thats it. and again, im not saying naruto isnt more liked you fcking imbecile, i knew that already, so take your own advice and learn to read dipshit.

and you dont know what the differences between, majority, fact, and opinions. i guess we both have to work on something dumbass.

you perfectly answered my questions? bitch please, you twisted my questions, then answered, that isnt what i asked retard. you did need simplifying, because you cleary couldnt comprehend my exact question dumbass.

really? this is what you said "I'm not butthurt your just illiterate" since your grammar is so great you would of known it is *you're (since you have to have punctuation on a naruto forum), also you forgot to add an "," after "butthurt", thats why i said, "oh the irony", because youre bitching about grammar when you your self have made numerous mistakes. failed again.

and another fail, i used your shit logic, dont put words in my mouth, you said since it lost its readers it is a fail, by that shit logic every manga/anime have failed. and again throwing around how this and last fell out of the top 10 sells blah blah blah is falling on deaf ears, i dont give a fck that it dropped out of the top 10 (which i already knew), that doesnt change my opinion on it. your problem is that you think since it isnt as popular and lost sells from last year it means its shit. thats your fcked up opinion which no one cares about. naruto is always in the top 3, lets celebrate guys, this obviously mean that it is better than others ranked below it. btw thats your shit logic.

and you cant understand that i get that thats your opinion and those statistics are saying naruto is more popular. but you keep bitching for some reason, so i think you are the one who needs to learn how to read.

I just re hashed what you used so that could apply to you dipshit.

No you keep saying "it is all preference why is this being debated" but the thing is I agree but for my preference I have stuff to back it up. That is all. Why do you insist on running in circles?

And I'm saying there is no reason for them to not be compared. They are same genre semi arguably same type of story and use many of the same elements. They can easily be compared. OMG ****ING GOD YOUR AN IDIOT. I have fully said my opinion isn't to fact! I have fully said they were just brought up to bolster my opinion! I have already said it is not proof that one is better than the other but just notable references. You are honestly an idiot I have quoted yourself and myself numerous times to show I'm not passing it of as fact. Your a ****tard.

Um how many times have I said my opinion is not fact? How many times have I said the majority is just a statistical reference? How many times have I fully said this is just my opinion and that those statistics are just to show a lot agree with me?

And how many times have you denying and neglecting? A lot! Please your the only one who needs to work on something.

I did not twist them. I simply laid all points and scenarios of the subject so as not to miss a single thing. It is much different then comparing manga which you would know if you read properly idiot. It is carefully dissecting what is given and voicing all the information I can give on all of it's aspects. Something you do not know how to do clearly.

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****tard!
And I simply only quote more important or longer things and you are such an idiot considering you do not put it "after" the quoted word is used at the beginning and end. Your just illiterate.

You both failed to comprehend and interpret what I wrote. Do you know why I brought up the fact that it is a fail as it lost readers? Because as you said yourself "most people said they stopped reading bleach" that is also a worldwide thing. Now I brought it up not cause it simply lost some readers. It lost a huge percentage of it's readers. That is why I put the fact is is not top 10. Not to show it like it is new but just to put it in as support to the fact that because of the poor writing it has fallen far. And that is why it is both a critical and a commercial failure lately.

No it is you who keeps repeating "preferences" or "opinions not fact" so it seems you do not know that I fully agree. I simply am saying more people agree with me that is all. I'm not passing it of as fact.

 

[Akatsuki wise guy]

Shouldn't this thread be posted on BleachBase? Just curious

What Bleachbase? Bleach is not liked enough to have it's own base.