(Facts and Manga pages) Tobirama's space time ninjutsu

[Unbiased]

Manga pages are in the spoiler. This is going to be a short thread from me.

1-Minato has stated that the 2nd hokage was proficient in Space time ninjutsu.

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2-We all know the summoning jutsu is a form of space time ninjutsu.

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3-We all know that Tobirama created a forbidden summoning jutsu known as summoning impure ressurection

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4-We also know that instead of a blood sacrifice it requires the dead, therefore it falls under the category of summoning technique.

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5-We also know that Tobirama received recognition for his use of this jutsu in war. Even Madara recognized his abilities and understood the jutsu very well.

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Therefore The 2nd hokage's Space time proficiency fell under his usage of Edo Tensei. I know you all are looking for some technique worse then minato's but still cool, but more then likely edo tensei was in reference since space time ninjutsu is summoning technique and Tobirama created a forbidden summoning technique and had recognition from the major nations for its use. The edo tensei also showed no surprise of him being able to control all 4 of them a testament to his skills.

 

[Arcaneos510X]

ahh the summoning jutsu / edo tensei.
but i bet he must have played about with it a little though...
good thread + REP

 

[Unbiased]

ahh the summoning jutsu / edo tensei.
but i bet he must have played about with it a little though...

Oh ya without a doubt, how else would the other nations know of its use lol.

 

[muutobirama3rdraikagemizu]

I hope it was something else

 

[Unbiased]

I hope it was something else

Right now Edo tensei seems to be the most logical choice. It is a form of space time ninjutsu and the 2nd hokage created it and received recognition for its use from other nations which would back up minato's statement as being a skilled user.

 

[TheCCV]

If other theory threads were as straightforward and short as this, I'd be way more willing to read them all. Good thread

 

[Unbiased]

If other theory threads were as straightforward and short as this, I'd be way more willing to read them all. Good thread

There's not a lot to say about this to be honest. I just put all the information there and I didn't even have to use logic to explain it. So that's why its nice and short.

 

[Gatsuuga]

How has no one thought of this already.......... =_=

It seems so obvious, once again good thread.

 

[slaton02]

That isn't it because if it was just summon s/t Minato wouldn't have brought Tobirama up. Alot of ninjas have summoning as do the 3rd Hokage and I would think Minato would bring him up before Tobirama since they are closer. It's surely is not edo tensei that Minato was referring to. It's either teleporting to water and/or sending water through demensions to do suiton jutsu's quickly without a water source. Think about it, how does edo tensei compare to Obito and Minato's S/T?

 

[Unbiased]

How has no one thought of this already.......... =_=

It seems so obvious, once again good thread.

Thanks lol, I was originally going to put why TenTen is the greatest S/T user ever but her type of summoning is not a blood summoning so its not S/T ninjutsu lol

"That isn't it because if it was just summon s/t Minato wouldn't have brought Tobirama up. All of ninjas have summoning as do the 3rd Hokage and I would think Minato would bring him up before Tobirama since they are closer. It's surely is not edo tensei that Minato was referring to. It's either teleporting to water and/or sending water through demensions to do suiton jutsu's quickly without a water source. "

Right now as of 12/2/2012 the only space time ninjutsu Tobirama has shown is Edo Tensei. Therefore we can conclude it is in direct reference to that. He was well known for using it thus giving a testament to his skills.

 

[TrollingSage]

Manga pages are in the spoiler. This is going to be a short thread from me.

1-Minato has stated that the 2nd hokage was proficient in Space time ninjutsu.

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2-We all know the summoning jutsu is a form of space time ninjutsu.

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3-We all know that Tobirama created a forbidden summoning jutsu known as summoning impure ressurection

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4-We also know that instead of a blood sacrifice it requires the dead, therefore it falls under the category of summoning technique.

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5-We also know that Tobirama received recognition for his use of this jutsu in war. Even Madara recognized his abilities and understood the jutsu very well.

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Therefore The 2nd hokage's Space time proficiency fell under his usage of Edo Tensei. I know you all are looking for some technique worse then minato's but still cool, but more then likely edo tensei was in reference since space time ninjutsu is summoning technique and Tobirama created a forbidden summoning technique and had recognition from the major nations for its use. The edo tensei also showed no surprise of him being able to control all 4 of them a testament to his skills.

Yea a lot of ninjas have summonings. The fact that Minato compared Tobi's S/T to the second Hokage's and his own after he's seen Tobi use it means it was similar to ftg/kamui.

 

[Unbiased]

Yea a lot of ninjas have summonings. The fact that Minato compared Tobi's S/T to the second Hokage's and his own after he's seen Tobi use it means it was similar to ftg/kamui.

While your partially correct that may not be true in terms of Minato's reference. Tobirama was a well known Edo Tensei user. Its not like he could summon toads or snakes he brought back the dead and used them as puppets. That's an amazing feat not to mention the other nations recognized his proficiency with it. I do think it was in direct reference since its a variant of the summoning technique not a summoning technique. Its a different jutsu that is derived from the summoning technique.

Nothing is absolute though, I'm just stating as of right now its more then likely Edo Tensei the 4th hokage was referring too.

 

[Arcaneos510X]

Oh ya without a doubt, how else would the other nations know of its use lol.

not just that but the failed attempts may have led to other space time tech's if worked on...
unlikely but possible...

 

[Unbiased]

not just that but the failed attempts may have led to other space time tech's if worked on...
unlikely but possible...

Nothing is ever absolute but all possibilities are just that possibilities. I hope people have benefited from reading this thread as this does clear up some things about Tobirama.

 

[TrollingSage]

While your partially correct that may not be true in terms of Minato's reference. Tobirama was a well known Edo Tensei user. Its not like he could summon toads or snakes he brought back the dead and used them as puppets. That's an amazing feat .

That's wrong. It really isnt. It's no different from Tenten summoning her weapons with a scroll or puppeteers using it to summon their puppets. The use of S/T to transport objects is a common thing in the narutoverse.
As a matter of fact, Minato wasn't the only one to compare kamui and ftg to the Tobirama's S/T. Kakashi did as well. Why? The fact that Tobirama's S/T is the one that came to both Kakashi and Minato's mind means it's an S/T similar to kamui and ftg and not just a simple summoning. Anyone with even average intelligent wouldnt be arguing with this simple fact(no offense intended)

not to mention the other nations recognized his proficiency with it. I do think it was in direct reference since its a variant of the summoning technique not a summoning technique. Its a different jutsu that is derived from the summoning technique.

That's wrong. Tobirama is only recognized as the creator of edo tensei. Seeing as it became a forbidden jutsu, and taking Hashirama's nature into account, its more likely he only used it once or a few times at most. We're talking about raising the dead here. If even he used it once, he'll become famous for it

Nothing is absolute though, I'm just stating as of right now its more then likely Edo Tensei the 4th hokage was referring too

It's more likely its a completely different jutsu seeing as summoning isnt even remotely close to ftg and kamui for both Minato and Kakashi to make that comparison.

 

[Owarij]

Yea a lot of ninjas have summonings. The fact that Minato compared Tobi's S/T to the second Hokage's and his own after he's seen Tobi use it means it was similar to ftg/kamui.

Was about to post this

Edo tensei is a summoning yes.. But Minato specifically compared tobirama's unknown s/t to that of tobi's and himself......It would be odd to bring up a summoning jutsu randomly

 

[Unbiased]

That's wrong. It really isnt. It's no different from Tenten summoning her weapons with a scroll or puppeteers using it to summon their puppets. The use of S/T to transport objects is a common thing in the narutoverse.
As a matter of fact, Minato wasn't the only one to compare kamui and ftg to the Tobirama's S/T. Kakashi did as well. Why? The fact that Tobirama's S/T is the one that came to both Kakashi and Minato's mind means it's an S/T similar to kamui and ftg and not just a simple summoning. Anyone with even average intelligent wouldnt be arguing with this simple fact(no offense intended)

That's wrong. Tobirama is only recognized as the creator of edo tensei. Seeing as it became a forbidden jutsu, and taking Hashirama's nature into account, its more likely he only used it once or a few times at most. We're talking about raising the dead here. If even he used it once, he'll become famous for it


It's more likely its a completely different jutsu seeing as summoning isnt even remotely close to ftg and kamui for both Minato and Kakashi to make that comparison.

So let me just get this straight.

To you, summoning the dead and using them as puppets is not "an amazing feat"?

Muu recognized it, chiyo recognized it, even Madara someone who defected from the village recognized it and had full intel. Its a unique technique and obviously used more then once if multiple nations knew of its use from Tobirama.

Well this is the closest that Tobirama has currently to space time ninjutsu. I'm gonna stick with it due to relevance.

I didn't take offense this is simply a discussion of beliefs in tobirama's skills.

 

[TrollingSage]

So let me just get this straight.

To you, summoning the dead and using them as puppets is not "an amazing feat"?

Muu recognized it, chiyo recognized it, even Madara someone who defected from the village recognized it and had full intel. Its a unique technique and obviously used more then once if multiple nations knew of its use from Tobirama.

Well this is the closest that Tobirama has currently to space time ninjutsu. I'm gonna stick with it due to relevance.

I didn't take offense this is simply a discussion of beliefs in tobirama's skills.

You misunderstood me. Raising the dead is an amazing feat. What isnt really amazing is transporting them to a particular location using summoning. Tenten can do that, and so can every puppeteer or weapon specialist. It would have been odd for Minato to compare simple summoning to his and Tobi's S/T.

 

[Blaze Release]

Yea a lot of ninjas have summonings. The fact that Minato compared Tobi's S/T to the second Hokage's and his own after he's seen Tobi use it means it was similar to ftg/kamui.

Thank you.

 

[Arcaneos510X]

Nothing is ever absolute but all possibilities are just that possibilities. I hope people have benefited from reading this thread as this does clear up some things about Tobirama.

yet when i say that to people i get negative rep...
oh and BTW "Nothing is ever absolute" except pre-established facts !