(Facts and Manga pages) the Byakugan is the 2nd strongest dojutsu

[Owarij]

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I warned him when Blaze release (The leaders of the uchiha fanbase on this site) showed up is when shit gets real!!! lmao But as you can see, im the King of the hyugas and will slay you! (Lmao hahahahahah im on a roll!)

1st off, Neji had his byakugan turned off because he thought the fight was over (and keep in mind it wasnt a death fight and was PNJ at its best!). Fact!

Because it is known that the byakugan can see under the earth:

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So that point Is null and void! Then on top of that itachi had his sharingan active and has possibly the best reflexes of the entire clan ever! But if he had The byakugan he would of known that could of been a clone, because he would of seen 2 kakashis underground. But he didnt and was tricked while his sharingan was activated. And i repeat, the byakugan was turned off when naruto hit him.

2nd, All those feats aren't OP at all. And if anything even with the byakugan fetas
Ability too sense all attacks accurately!
Ability too detect and deflect all attacks accurately!
Ability too disperse chakra anywhere with in range
ability too inject chakra into anything that uses chakra
ability too put up a chakra field too alter anything with in the barrier of chakra too their liking
Ability too shoot chakra any where from there body
Ability too see through anything, xray (Not top barriers tho)
Ability too move at extreme high speeds when in 64 palms area
Ability too ability too see 359 degrees
Ability too ability too mold chakra anyway they like for different forms of combat
Ability too hit you one time and instantly kill you
Ability too see all forms of chakra
Ability too control your chakra like no other

Not including the MS techs (because they are OP and very costly), the byakugan outshines the sharingan or is equal with it. Izanagi needs senju dna to use, so i dont count that. And teh Izanami shouldnt be used in battle because the victim can escape it, and the user looses one eye. So your point on them are mute.

Next; You overrate the sharingan in the sense that you do not list the drawbacks that come with some of those abilitys. SO ill list them for you using the manga!

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Just because you can see or read the opponent doesnt mean they can counter them. If the uchiha body isnt on par then it is useless too have them feats. Its all about match ups really, im not saying Hiashi can defeat with madara, itachi, sasuke or izuna but he sure hell can compete! lol

Next; all the sharingans genjutsu (besides izanami and nagi) are eye contact. Simply do not make direct contact and it is avoidable. Plus the fact that it is basic genjutsu and any elite ninja can break out of it. MS genjutsu is teh heavy hitters, regular 3 tomoe genjutsu isnt that great (good but not KO great). And with the hyugas perfect chakra control, breaking a genjutsu on that level will be easy and almost instant! haha

And the ability too predict movements only pertains too the opponents body (i,e, muscles) so any extra source (i.e. chakra) they can not predict because it has yet too happen. And as you know the hyugas can disperse chakra when ever where ever instantly! So Any form of basic taijutsu is useless!

ex: Lee with the same great speed taijutsu was never able too defeat neji on multiple occasions (not gates). And when lee used gates, neji was able too see him and his moves, they werent too fast for him (this part is assumptions, because he like kakshi was able too keep up and note what was going on). So unless the uchihas has super fast taijutsu hits (like Guys morning peacok, or Raikages hits) the hyuga can counter accordingly!

This is just the begining, and note Im not saying hiashi can defeat madara or itachi, but is rather comparing the eyes.

Bro, alot of what you listed aren't byukagan techs but Hyuuga techs.... there is a difference..

Ability too disperse chakra anywhere with in range

They hyuuga clan train themselves to do these things, Gentle fist as well.. They aren't techs or abilities you get from having byakugan. otherwise ao would get them....

 

[Blaze Release]

Nice of you Draegod to think of me as the Uchiha leader, not sure why. Reason why you might think this is perhaps because you see me defending them or particularly itachi/sasuke, however i couldn't care less about the clan the same way you care about the hyuga. I've just noticed that trolls downplay them and their abilities because they are fed up with the kishi uchiha wank. That is why i take my time with these troll, however that was in the past. I do not do that anymore, especially when something is crystal clear its not worth arguing about. In other words i didn't read your post

 

[Unbiased]

Wrong history by Kakashi

Senju + Uchiha were the first to join and create "konoha"
They are the oldest clans in konoha

The Orgins of the Uchiha lie with the Hyuuga.

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Ill quote myself first because that post should've educated you;



Said ill ignore you but ill respond to your post:

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This is why i dont do this anymore here and instead when i want a challenge i go somewhere else. I told you that the uchiha were feared for many things which has to do with their sharingan and fire affiliation however why they were feared the most was because of their genjutsu. You however said its because of the ms and i even uploaded up a link and explained to you that, only a handful of people in the uchiha had awakened the ms.

Ill try and make it sink in. Ill make it clear why the uchiha were feared for the sharingan based genjutsu and not the ms.

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Chiyo claims its been long since she has fought a sharingan user.

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she says if its a 1 vs 1 fight flee because you cannot win. She later explains that the best way to counter sharingan based genjutsu is the parter method, which in a 1 vs 1 fight you obvious do not get.

This is where it gets interesting. All along she was speaking of the sharingan and NOT the ms. Its

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that kakashi tells here that, the parter method will not work with the MS. That alone is enough along with the facts that only a few activated the ms to state that its the sharingan abilities particularly genjutsu is where their hype stemmed from.

Its later explained in detail

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the different method's of escaping genjutsu and the DB further explains what chiyo was speaking of in respect to sharingan based genjutsu, especially Kanashibari based genjutsu. The uchiha hype is not from the ms, but the sharingan (genjutsu) and their fire affiliation,

Anyway its pretty clear that the byakugan is pretty irrelevant so ill stop here

Once again you are lying as Itachi states in the manga that the hype is derived from true bloodline masters meaning the MS. Please stop trying to troll. It doesn't matter if only a handful had the MS, Itachi stated that the hype came from the MS.

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Itachi states he will show him the true powers of the bloodline masters and then uses tsukuyomi meaning the MS was why it was feared. Which also backs up my statement with Madara and the EMS and the recognition the Uchiha clan received.

 

[Koha]

Kakashi had VERY limited knowledge on his Sharingan, he assumed the Byakugan to be superior... But that's definitely not the case. It may [I use this very loosely] be stronger than the 3-Tomoe Sharingan by a small margin (Doubt it), but to put the Byakugan > Sharingan is very uhm ..... Well, not too credible. The Byakugan is very limited now. Compared to either Sharingan or Rinnegan.

Edit: He only said it was superior in terms of Insight.

 

[Unbiased]

Kakashi had VERY limited knowledge on his Sharingan, he assumed the Byakugan to be superior... But that's definitely not the case. It may [I use this very loosely] be stronger than the 3-Tomoe Sharingan by a small margin (Doubt it), but to put the Byakugan > Sharingan is very uhm ..... Well, not too credible. The Byakugan is very limited now. Compared to either Sharingan or Rinnegan.

Edit: He only said it was superior in terms of Insight.

The man hailed as of the sharingan has little knowledge of the sharingan...your funny. Anyways the Byakugan can counter any jutsu the sharingan/MS/EMS has to offer.

 

[Owarij]

The Orgins of the Uchiha lie with the Hyuuga.

Read what kakashi said
"THEY SAY"

That should just end that argument... it's what people think, a rumor, not necessarily true... we don't know what came first.. Well we do.. Rinnegan.. we don't know what came after.. according to tobi , it was senju and uchiha.. but you'll deny that right? you'll say Hyuuga came first then Uchiha right?

 

[Bogard]

Even the sharingan cannot compete as admitted by kakashi whose sharingan skills have received praise by Itachi.

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Sorry but i disagree with this part. At that moment he wasn't comparing his Sharingan to Byakugan, but with Neji's Byakugan. Not every Byakugan could see the opening points. Proof of it is that even Hinata(another Byakugan user) was surprised that Neji's Byakugan could see it(which means her Byakugan can't)

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So the power insight of the Byakugan probably depends on the user. I believe Hiashi's insight with the Byakugan is even greater for example since he is even able to detect killing intent easily

 

[Waltz]

I had to make a stand for itachi on the Tsukyomi part, you are seriously underestimating him.

Also to be noted is the user can determine is genjutsu is being used due to the change in chakra flow. Genjutsu is created when a ninja extends their chakra flow through the cerebral nervous system of their opponent to control their mind, thereby affecting their five senses. Now what makes Byakugan users immune to genjutsu is their mastery of chakra control. All Byakugan users are trained in the art of gentle fist which relies solely on chakra control. Gentle fist employs the use of tenketsus which are pores that release chakra.With being able to utilize tenketsus they can stop the opponents flow of chakra or destroy their organs. Even the sharingan cannot compete as admitted by kakashi whose sharingan skills have received praise by Itachi.

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Tsukuyomi requires eye contact to be performed, trapping the target within an illusion completely under the user's control. Itachi's prowess with the technique has allowed him to alter the perception of space and time with ease within the genjutsu to make a few seconds seem like many days as a means to torture the target. This results in the victim suffering psychological trauma that incapacitates them for a considerable period of time. After Itachi used it on Kakashi in Part I, Kisame was surprised that Kakashi's mind was still intact. Only Tsunade has been shown capable of curing this psychological damage.

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You use the word Genjutsu too generally. There is a vast Difference in Regular Genjutsu (kurenai, sasuke used on danzo) and Tsukyomi.

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Danzo was able to see through this without having an active sharingan, simply because it was a low level genjutsu...even though it was casted by MS.

Tsukyomi is a special genjutsu that dosen't take place in real life, but in a separate dimension so to speak. If Neji made eye contact with itachi, he would be caught in the genjutsu and have No way to escape or break it. Tsukyomi completely control's the mind, his brain wouln't be able to make contact with his physical body to redirect/alter chakra flow simply because it would be caught in the genjutsu.

 

[Unbiased]

Read what kakashi said
"THEY SAY"

That should just end that argument... it's what people think, a rumor, not necessarily true... we don't know what came first.. Well we do.. Rinnegan.. we don't know what came after.. according to tobi , it was senju and uchiha.. but you'll deny that right? you'll say Hyuuga came first then Uchiha right?

You lack intelligence if you put words in someone's mouth.

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Furthermore it only shows you haven't read this thread at all. Don't bother responding your not worth my time or even capable of providing a solid debate.

 

[Waltz]

You lack intelligence if you put words in someone's mouth.

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Furthermore it only shows you haven't read this thread at all. Don't bother responding your not worth my time or even capable of providing a solid debate.

(-_-) just like kakashi said the Rinnegan was a mutation.

 

[Unbiased]

I had to make a stand for itachi on the Tsukyomi part, you are seriously underestimating him.


Quoted form Wiki:
Tsukuyomi requires eye contact to be performed, trapping the target within an illusion completely under the user's control. Itachi's prowess with the technique has allowed him to alter the perception of space and time with ease within the genjutsu to make a few seconds seem like many days as a means to torture the target. This results in the victim suffering psychological trauma that incapacitates them for a considerable period of time. After Itachi used it on Kakashi in Part I, Kisame was surprised that Kakashi's mind was still intact. Only Tsunade has been shown capable of curing this psychological damage.

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You use the word Genjutsu too generally. There is a vast Difference in Regular Genjutsu (kurenai, sasuke used on danzo) and Tsukyomi.

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Danzo was able to see through this without having an active sharingan, simply because it was a low level genjutsu...even though it was casted by MS.

Tsukyomi is a special genjutsu that dosen't take place in real life, but in a separate dimension so to speak. If Neji made eye contact with itachi, he would be caught in the genjutsu and have No way to escape or break it. Tsukyomi completely control's the mind, his brain wouln't be able to make contact with his physical body to redirect/alter chakra flow simply because it would be caught in the genjutsu.

There isn't really a reason why any byakugan user would need to have their eyes open. Dojutsu's don't stop working when the eye is not visible. For example AO can use the byakugan underneath the bandages. Therefore no eyesight is needed and Tsukuyomi is a waste of chakra if casted.

 

[Draegod]

Read what kakashi said
"THEY SAY"

That should just end that argument... it's what people think, a rumor, not necessarily true... we don't know what came first.. Well we do.. Rinnegan.. we don't know what came after.. according to tobi , it was senju and uchiha.. but you'll deny that right? you'll say Hyuuga came first then Uchiha right?

Damn Owariji is hear too?

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Damn im dealing with 2 kings of teh uchiha fanbase now???
Guess ima have too put in Double time! lmao

You are correct in the rumors department. But you are not absolutely correct in the Hyuga being before the uchihas department. And ill how you could be wrong:

It is obv that uchiha are descendant too the Sage, but how do we know that the Hyugas werent around when the sage was alive? This is just a hypothesis in a sense, but back then the sage introduced "Ninjutsu" but not "Taijutsu". Taijutsu is a basic form of fighting that ofc been around since humans grew arms, the hyugas are a top secret clan that specializes in taijutsu, what if back then they were around. Since they are not desendents too the sage, they could off out dated even the sage and his sons (i.e. uchihas).

No one is saying the uchihas offspringed from the hyugas, but tobi could have left the hyugas out aswell. Seeing as he left the uzamakis out, and they are descendants aswell... IJS

 

[Owarij]

You lack intelligence if you put words in someone's mouth.

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Furthermore it only shows you haven't read this thread at all. Don't bother responding your not worth my time or even capable of providing a solid debate.

Putting words in someone's mouth? I dont care about your theory

there is one fact here
Kakashi said

"They say the Uchiha's clans origins lie within the Hyuuga"
They say...

He never said, It is known that ~ , or The uchiha clans origins lie within the hyuuga

he said "they say"
Do you know what else "they say"?
They say that the so6p never existed, People believe he was a myth ..... You can't take everything that comes out someones mouth, especially when the person is reciting something normally said by others

This is not a fact.. you don't know what a fact is

 

[Unbiased]

(-_-) just like kakashi said the Rinnegan was a mutation.

And how exactly is he wrong in saying its a mutation? Do you even know the definition of mutation? Mutation-The changing of the structure of a gene, resulting in a variant form that may be transmitted to subsequent generations, caused by the alteration of single base units in DNA, or the deletion, insertion, or rearrangement of larger sections of genes or chromosomes

Adding senju DNA will cause the rinnegan to appear thus his statement on the rinnegan being a mutation is correct under legal definition.

 

[Draegod]

Bro, alot of what you listed aren't byukagan techs but Hyuuga techs.... there is a difference..


They hyuuga clan train themselves to do these things, Gentle fist as well.. They aren't techs or abilities you get from having byakugan. otherwise ao would get them....

For the record we never seen AO fight.. So we cannot determine if he can do so or not. But your right mostly of the chakra part.

 

[Hikari Uchiha Senju]

@OP: Amazing! + rep

 

[Unbiased]

Putting words in someone's mouth? I dont care about your theory

there is one fact here
Kakashi said

"They say the Uchiha's clans origins lie within the Hyuuga"
They say...

He never said, It is known that ~ , or The uchiha clans origins lie within the hyuuga

he said "they say"
Do you know what else "they say"?
They say that the so6p never existed, People believe he was a myth ..... You can't take everything that comes out someones mouth, especially when the person is reciting something normally said by others

This is not a fact.. you don't know what a fact is

Until proven otherwise the statement is truth. Where in the manga does it disprove kakashi's statement.

 

[Koha]

The man hailed as of the sharingan has little knowledge of the sharingan...your funny. Anyways the Byakugan can counter any jutsu the sharingan/MS/EMS has to offer.

Limited... In the end he didn't know anything past his 3-Tomoe Sharingan until Itachi's arrival... Oh, btw, there's no stopping Tsukuyomi, Itachi's Tsukuyomi, specifically, as it doesn't work in real time.... He distorts time and stretches 3 days in his world less than 3 seconds, much faster than the body could actually react and the fact that they're restricted in any type of movement if it's in the user's will. And not every Hyuuga is a master of their Byakugan, Neji was a special case, those of the main branch would attain the secret techniques, while every other Hyuuga was left in the dust with a basic knowledge of the Byakugan.

 

[Waltz]

There isn't really a reason why any byakugan user would need to have their eyes open. Dojutsu's don't stop working when the eye is not visible. For example AO can use the byakugan underneath the bandages. Therefore no eyesight is needed and Tsukuyomi is a waste of chakra if casted.

I refuted you point, and you instantly make this into a VS thread, and also made conditions to you advantage?

I'll follow suit.

Itachi uses Tsukyomi before Neji closes his eyes.

 

[Owarij]

You are correct in the rumors department. But you are not absolutely correct in the Hyuga being before the uchihas department. And ill how you could be wrong:

It is obv that uchiha are descendant too the Sage, but how do we know that the Hyugas werent around when the sage was alive? This is just a hypothesis in a sense, but back then the sage introduced "Ninjutsu" but not "Taijutsu". Taijutsu is a basic form of fighting that ofc been around since humans grew arms, the hyugas are a top secret clan that specializes in taijutsu, what if back then they were around. Since they are not desendents too the sage, they could off out dated even the sage and his sons (i.e. uchihas).

No one is saying the uchihas offspringed from the hyugas,but tobi could have left the hyugas out aswell. Seeing as he left the uzamakis out, and they are descendants aswell... IJS

But you are not absolutely correct in the Hyuga being before the uchihas department.

Not here to argue that.. There is a possibility for everything.. and I can't exclude that possibility for the sake of my argument....
Look at how this argument started up

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I could careless about which clan came first in the so6p time

But kakashi there said that Hyuuga is the leaf's bloodline...
From what we know as FACT , hyuuga and Uchiha are two different clans, with two different blood lines, different fighting styles everyhing..

I corrected OP by saying , When it comes to KONOHA.. Fact is, The oldest clans were Senju and Uchiha, since they joined together to literally create the village...

Then he replied with a THEORY, yes , it is a rumor and a theory of the origins of hyuuga/uchiha
This is a debate, and we can both theorize all we want... but we are supposed to use facts ..The thread topic even states -Facts and Manga pages.....