(Facts and Manga pages) the Byakugan is the 2nd strongest dojutsu

fastrthnwind · Dec 2, 2012

Unbiased said:
I think I've heard of your theory. Is it similar to this one
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lol yea, that the one xd

History · Dec 2, 2012

no need to read

amaterasu burns chakra so it will ignite the flames also blaze release sasuke could make the flames bigger and change there shape burns thru rotation in that dispursting chakra thing naruto punch stop rotation

susanoo arrows are much larger faster and stronger than kidomaru arrow witch his rotation couldnt throw off his arrows completly so susanoo arrows own him easily a susanoo punch would destroy susanoo only weakness is crushing it witch no hyuuga have the power to do perfect susanoo destroyes mountain with one blade no argument you that you can put up would make me think the hyuugas can survive this

tsukuyomi can only be counter with there eye closes nothing else

you keep saying they can sense things does it matters as long as there body is to slow to more neji is no Raikage the only man to dodge amaterasu with the intent to kill

Kamui no need for arument that tech is a fast as amaterasu iin it covers more range

fail thread

sasuke>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
itachi>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
obito>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
kakashi >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
madara>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>neji and in other hyuugas 3 tomoe sasuke could defeat neji med diff

uchihas controlled bijuu started ninja wars defeated sanin in 2 minutes tokk down 5 kages at the same time

Unbiased · Dec 2, 2012

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That all depends on if susanoo has chakra points within its form. If the Hyuuga hits the casters points before he casts it then, yeah, totally would stop him. I just see susanoo as a giant mass of chakra, almost like a shield with arms, so the only way to stop the user is by removing them from it or breaking it. I'm not saying it's not doable, just, it seems unlikely for Neji to face a fully formed susanoo. However he could outlast it and wait for an opening to strike. All circumstance.

As for kamui, Kakashi's offensive kamui is what I'm referring to, forms at a single point and collapses in, unlike amaterasu, which expands out. The thing is that it holds at a single point, which is the casters line of vision, so as the casters line of sight moves so does the kamui. So as long as the caster keeps his eye on the target, his kamui will hit. There is no dispelling it. the Hyuuga can see it coming through chakra build up and try to prevent or dodge it, but once it is cast they are pretty much up shit creek.

I get what your saying about susanoo and I agree. It is doable but unlikely nonetheless still doable.

As for Kamui, I think its possible that while they can be warped, while doing heavenly rotation they won't receive damage.

peace ffor all · Dec 2, 2012

Bro..i knw where u r getting into...but byakugan is a short distance combat move...although itseems byakugan can counter sharingan u cant win a battlejust by defence..u need to attack and uchiha have high chakra reserves than hyuuga.so,basically sharingan is more offensive and defensive (but weaker defence than byakugan)and byakugan defensive and less offensive..(even offence is also short distance one).hope u get me

so this is my opinion...
1)rinnegan
2)sharingan
3)byakugan

Unbiased said:
This is an evening special that I thought up on the spur of the moment. Its taken me nearly an hour to write but I'm finally done. Enjoy guys! :ice: I'm also extremely brain dead after writing this. Keep in mind you don't need to read the manga pages only do so if you doubt my word(this is for people who do not have the patience to read)

They're 3 dojutsu's in the narutoverse.

1 Rinnegan
2 Byakugan
3 Sharingan

I have classified the evolutions of the sharingan such as 1 tomoe, 2 tomoe, 3 tomoe, MS, EMS as under sharingan. The rinnegan requires senju DNA so I do not consider it as a pure uchiha dojutsu but a mix of senju of and uchiha therefore it is not classified under sharingan.

1- The Byakugan is stated as the oldest and greatest bloodline for the leaf village by kakashi who has been using the sharingan for 13 years. Therefore his knowledge and word is far greater then someone who has no experience using dojutsu. Furthermore he is aware of the Mangekyou Sharingan when saying this as when itachi appears he has full knowledge only a sharingan can counter it.

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2-The Byakugan has the best insight of all 3 dojutsu. It allows the use to see 360 degrees(excluding one blind spot) and allows the user to see 50 meters among activation.

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. With the use able to see everything within a 50 meter radius, the enemy cannot surprise them with attacks as they are visible at all times. The user can also see through solid objects and smoke screens making evasion impossible by normal means.

3-The byakugan allows the user to see chakra flow to the greatest degree.

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With this ability they can use the most powerful taijutsu style gentle fist.

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Gentle fist allows the user to damage internal organs giving them the ability to one shot their opponents if hit in the right areas.

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Also to be noted is the user can determine is genjutsu is being used due to the change in chakra flow. Genjutsu is created when a ninja extends their chakra flow through the cerebral nervous system of their opponent to control their mind, thereby affecting their five senses. Now what makes Byakugan users immune to genjutsu is their mastery of chakra control. All Byakugan users are trained in the art of gentle fist which relies solely on chakra control. Gentle fist employs the use of tenketsus which are pores that release chakra.With being able to utilize tenketsus they can stop the opponents flow of chakra or destroy their organs. Even the sharingan cannot compete as admitted by kakashi whose sharingan skills have received praise by Itachi.

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Now that I have explained the abilities of the Byakugan, I will now explain why it is superior in every way to the sharingan.

1 (Taijutsu) The sharingan(3 tomoe) allows the user to read the users attacks.

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While this would immediately end the fight, the person who see's the attack must have the ability to counter it. Sasuke has shown that even though he can see the attack, he could not dodge the attack.

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When fighting someone whose trained in taijutsu, you cannot win. The Hyuuga are the strongest taijutsu users in the leaf due to their gentle fist. All the Hyuuga have to do is tap any part of your body to stop chakra flow to that specific part thus ending the taijutsu combat. Furthermore they can sense attacks just like the sharingan

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2 (Ninjutsu) The MS, and EMS are considered to be the reason why the Sharingan is superior to the byakugan. However every skill that the MS and EMS can employ can easily be countered by the byakugan.

A- Amaterasu. Amaterasu are black flames that travel at incredible speeds. Your reaction timing must be on par to the 4th raikage in order to dodge them.

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Now the Hyuuga can counter Amaterasu very easily. First their eyes allow the user to sense all of the opponents attacks.

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Therefore it has the same ability to perceive and counter attacks as the sharingan does. Next Amaterasu creates pressure in the air.

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Even someone without the insight of the byakugan like Nagato could sense it. To add onto my defense the user can blow amaterasu off their body.

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Here you can see nagato blowing the amaterasu off his body using Shinra tensei. Neji can do the same thing, except by using his chakra.

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By being able to shoot chakra out of all his pores, he can effectively blow off amaterasu. In fact if the byakugan user doesn't care to use heavenly rotation he can just walk through the amaterasu and blow it off without the use of jutsu. Think of it as similar to gaara's sand armor that he wears on his skin. If the Gaara analogy doesn't help you, think of when Gohan is fighting Bojack in SSJ2 and he blows off the strings. Same concept except instead of using raw energy Neji is using chakra(which in a sense is energy).

B-Tsukuyomi-The Byakugan can sense when an opponent is going to use genjutsu. Since Genjutsu requires you to insert your chakra, they're two ways for the Byakugan user to avoid getting caught in Tsukuyomi. The first way is to just close your eyes and use the sight provided by the Byakugan. Since it allows the use to see in 360 degrees, eye to eye contact is not required. So even if the user chooses to have his eyes open, he does not need to look at the users eye's.

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The second way, is to disrupt your chakra flow.

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Since Byakugan users have perfect chakra control, it is an easy task for them.

C-Susanoo(oh boy I bet all the fanboys are thinking its impossible) - The Byakugan gives the user the highest degree of insight being able to see all forms of chakra at the highest level. All ninjutsu, Dojutsu, and Genjutsu(plus some forms of taijutsu) require chakra. Susanoo is formed through the materialisation of the user's chakra and as such differs in appearance, as well as colour between users. Therefore Susanoo in itself is just chakra that is unstable unless you possess the perfect susanoo. This spoiler shows susanoo unstable, you can see the head is just like Itachi's and Sasuke's proving that they have an unstable susanoo.

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This shows susanoo in its stable form.

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Now here is where susanoo fails against the Byakugan. Since the Byakugan gives the user the highest degree of chakra insight, it can see the chakra holding the jutsu together. With this ability Neji has destoyed a water dome using the Byakugan and his Tenketsus.

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Something to note is not even the sharingan can do that. Since the Byakugan allows you to see chakra levels making the jutsu active, it can see the chakra keeping susanoo together and disrupt it.

C1-Susanoo arrows. We have seen how a tree can brush Susanoo arrows off course.

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So with that in mind, chakra which is a lot stronger then tree's so the byakugan would be able to do the same.. Now let me explain something before the fanboys go wild. In the kidimaro vs Neji fight, Neji deflected his high speed arrows in the cursed seal 2 state(a power that is comparable to the one tails) by covering his body in chakra.

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Now the reason he had to do that is because Kidomaro knew the weakness of the byakugan.

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The problem is even if the Sharingan user is using susanoo, neji will not turn his back to it and thus the Byakugan will be able to sense the attack coming. With that he would be able to use heavenly rotation and change the arrow off course. These arrows are no different from other arrows except that the speed which is delivered is too fast to dodge. The Hyuuga have no need to dodge due to heavenly rotation and since they can sense the attack coming, the arrows are useless.

C2-Susanoo sword. This sword follows the same concept. Now Gaara is able to use normal sand to block susanoo swords.

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Heavenly rotation has been stated to be superior

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. Now logic indicates a superior defense will have the same results or better then the defense it is compared too. No further explanation is needed.

Kotoamatsukami- This is The most powerful genjutsu to ever be conceived in naruto. The Byakugan is already immune to genjutsu since they can see chakra flow. Due to the fact that this is not a genjutsu that causes a illusion and merely controls your thoughts, in terms of combat effectiveness against a hyuuga its scale of effectiveness is lower then the Tsukuyomi. Now since the Hyuuga can see their chakra flow as well as others they can disrupt the genjutsu without trouble. The byakugan have been stated to see a genjutsu that is similar to KA

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and the byakugan broke that genjutsu of near identical power.

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Kamui-Well there isn't a whole lot to say about this technique. (honestly i'm tired of writing XD) So Kamui in terms of defense is not hard to fight against since the Byakugan lets you see everything within a 50 meter radius.. Now offensively it can cause a warp within what is being targeted and cut it off from space. Since the hyuuga can see everything to the highest degree and sense attacks coming that warp would be easy to spot and avoid avoid.

Susanoo C3- Yasaka Magatama. Look at what I said about susanoo arrows and tone down the difficulty by 100 since this attack is significantly slower then the arrows.

Susanoo C4-Meteorite Technique. This technique is so amazing and powerful. Since two meteorites are coming to hit the ground, the entire battlefield becomes destroyed. Since the Hyuuga can sense the attack coming and with the clarity of insight, would be able to position himself away from under the meteor. Now that won't stop the battlefield from getting destroyed as the entire radius get's hit with rocks and sand. However heavenly rotation would protect them rocks and sand. The only way this technique would harm a Hyuuga is if it landed on top of their body.

BONUS!

Susanoo C5- Perfect Susanoo. Perfect Susanoo sword slash is like a TBB. However against the Byakugan(and a skilled user) it is childs play. Due to being able to sense attacks

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they have the ability to move out of the way. Since the damage is widespread they can cover themselves with chakra and if they are out of the direct slice can use heavenly rotation to stop the widespread damage(rocks and debris falling).

I'm done never again am I writing something this long and I'm not writing a conclusion so read the whole thing. Thanks for reading this sorry its so long...oh ya suck it uchiha fanboys jk but I think there's a good enough argument here to say the Byakugan is superior at the date of 12/1/2012.

SUMMARY-The Byakugan can defend itself and counter ALL Sharingan/MS/EMS attacks.

Fighter2011 · Dec 2, 2012

This is one of the worst fanboy threads i have ever seen.

A 3-tomoe Sharingan user vs a Byakugan user is debatable (manga always states that the uchiha are Stronger)

but once you include MS, you must know that the Sharingan rapes.

1- Amaterasu: even if they can sense the attack coming, we have not seen any byakugan user that is fast enough to dodge the technique. Remember that Amaterasu spawns in the focus point of the users' eyes, so as long as the hyuuga is visible, he is going down. Even if they can blow away the flames by releasing their chakra (no proof of this) it would be too late, the flames are so hot that only an instant can burn you up considerably. Look at what happened to Nagato when he got hit by it. He just recovered because he was an edo tensei.

2-Tsukuyomi: 360 Vision is still part of their vision. Even if the hyuuga is facing the other way, they are looking directly at the uchiha's eye, which is all that is needed for tsukuyomi to take effect. Also, Tsukuyomi cannot by broken by chakra control or by a partner because it is instant. When you realize you've been Caught by it, the full effect of the genjutsu has already hit you.

3- Susanoo: You cannot seriously be compraring Zabusa's water prison technique to a full blown complete susanoo, right? Lol. Anyway, just as with Amaterasu, the hyuuga may sense susanoo's arrows, sowrds slashes and magatamas, but they are not fast enough t dodge any of them. And dont tell me rotation can stop any of those techniques, you know very well it Cant. Not even going to talk about perfect susanoo lol.

Itachi8179 · Dec 2, 2012

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Even Kisame praised kakashi alongside Itachi so please stop trolling.

I think I've heard of your theory. Is it similar to this one
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What?? Just watch into this page of yours how kakashi is owned
I just asking you do you really think Byukugan > MS?

fastrthnwind · Dec 2, 2012

History said:
no need to read

amaterasu burns chakra so it will ignite the flames also blaze release sasuke could make the flames bigger and change there shape burns thru rotation in that dispursting chakra thing naruto punch stop rotation

susanoo arrows are much larger faster and stronger than kidomaru arrow witch his rotation couldnt throw off his arrows completly so susanoo arrows own him easily a susanoo punch would destroy susanoo only weakness is crushing it witch no hyuuga have the power to do perfect susanoo destroyes mountain with one blade no argument you that you can put up would make me think the hyuugas can survive this

tsukuyomi can only be counter with there eye closes nothing else

you keep saying they can sense things does it matters as long as there body is to slow to more neji is no Raikage the only man to dodge amaterasu with the intent to kill

Kamui no need for arument that tech is a fast as amaterasu iin it covers more range

fail thread

sasuke>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
itachi>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
obito>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
kakashi >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
madara>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>neji and in other hyuugas 3 tomoe sasuke could defeat neji med diff

uchihas controlled bijuu started ninja wars defeated sanin in 2 minutes tokk down 5 kages at the same time

Nobody need respond to this. Perfect example of ignorance. U_U

Unbiased · Dec 2, 2012

History said:
no need to read

amaterasu burns chakra so it will ignite the flames also blaze release sasuke could make the flames bigger and change there shape burns thru rotation in that dispursting chakra thing naruto punch stop rotation

susanoo arrows are much larger faster and stronger than kidomaru arrow witch his rotation couldnt throw off his arrows completly so susanoo arrows own him easily a susanoo punch would destroy susanoo only weakness is crushing it witch no hyuuga have the power to do perfect susanoo destroyes mountain with one blade no argument you that you can put up would make me think the hyuugas can survive this

tsukuyomi can only be counter with there eye closes nothing else

you keep saying they can sense things does it matters as long as there body is to slow to more neji is no Raikage the only man to dodge amaterasu with the intent to kill

Kamui no need for arument that tech is a fast as amaterasu iin it covers more range

fail thread

sasuke>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
itachi>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
obito>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
kakashi >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
madara>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>neji and in other hyuugas 3 tomoe sasuke could defeat neji med diff

uchihas controlled bijuu started ninja wars defeated sanin in 2 minutes tokk down 5 kages at the same time

You are a prime example of someone who has no understanding of what they're talking about.

1-No where has it been seen that amaterasu burns through chakra.
2-Neji didn't use heavenly rotation against kidimaro I even posted a picture are you blind or just illiterate?
3-They can sense the change in chakra within their body so it is counterable.
Don't try arguing about Kamui you won't get very far.

Unbiased · Dec 2, 2012

Itachi8179 said:
What?? Just watch into this page of yours how kakashi is owned
I just asking you do you really think Byukugan > MS?

The MS can be countered by it. All techniques shown can be countered. I have displayed how.

History · Dec 2, 2012

Unbiased said:
Hyuuga's can sense attack's therefore rotation will be raedy.
The one kidimaro used wasn't even deflected by heavenly rotation but just by chakra pores. Heavenly rotation would block it and Neji doesn't need reaction speed he has the Byakugan he can sense attacks.
Byakugan can sense changes within chakra flow. Tsukuyomi keeps the person in a mental state of entrapment for 3 days. I'm sure theres plenty of time.
It can suck him in yes but since he can sense attacks he'll know and have time to react.
Kakashi stated they were the oldest and greatest bloodline.

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Here is proof of sensing attacks.

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so what kakashi saids make it it true we know there no where near the strongest bloodline Or kkg i bet neji or any hyuuga is no where near your top 10

fastrthnwind · Dec 2, 2012

Fighter2011 said:
This is one of the worst fanboy threads i have ever seen.

A 3-tomoe Sharingan user vs a Byakugan user is debatable (manga always states that the uchiha are Stronger)

but once you include MS, you must know that the Sharingan rapes.

1- Amaterasu: even if they can sense the attack coming, we have not seen any byakugan user that is fast enough to dodge the technique. Remember that Amaterasu spawns in the focus point of the users' eyes, so as long as the hyuuga is visible, he is going down. Even if they can blow away the flames by releasing their chakra (no proof of this) it would be too late, the flames are so hot that only an instant can burn you up considerably. Look at what happened to Nagato when he got hit by it. He just recovered because he was an edo tensei.

2-Tsukuyomi: 360 Vision is still part of their vision. Even if the hyuuga is facing the other way, they are looking directly at the uchiha's eye, which is all that is needed for tsukuyomi to take effect. Also, Tsukuyomi cannot by broken by chakra control or by a partner because it is instant. When you realize you've been Caught by it, the full effect of the genjutsu has already hit you.

3- Susanoo: You cannot seriously be compraring Zabusa's water prison technique to a full blown complete susanoo, right? Lol. Anyway, just as with Amaterasu, the hyuuga may sense susanoo's arrows, sowrds slashes and magatamas, but they are not fast enough t dodge any of them. And dont tell me rotation can stop any of those techniques, you know very well it Cant. Not even going to talk about perfect susanoo lol.

honestly there is so much wrong with this post that its not even worth my time to reply. Come to us with manga pages plus reasoning or else its absolute garbage

Unbiased · Dec 2, 2012

History said:
so what kakashi saids make it it true we know there no where near the strongest bloodline Or kkg i bet neji or any hyuuga is no where near your top 10

Of course its not. I don't even have a top ten lol but if I did Hiruzen would be in the top 5. Its impossible to have a top ten because the #3 character may be beaten by a character not even on the list.

Fighter2011 · Dec 2, 2012

fastrthnwind said:
honestly there is so much wrong with this post that its not even worth my time to reply. Come to us with manga pages plus reasoning or else its absolute garbage

What a joke of a fanboy? When you see Arguments that you cannot counter, you just Ask people not to answer (look at your other post), or Say tbat there is "so much wrong". Pathetic excuse of a fanboy. Unless kishi Decides to show some new, awesome power For the hyuuga, there is no way they can beat a Mangekyu Sharingan user. No way. Go to sleep kid.

BlackDude · Dec 2, 2012

Unbiased said:
How can you come up with that statement if you don't understand the byakugan?

:sy: How can you come up with this question if I do understand the byakugan. I just simply disagree

Microsword57 · Dec 2, 2012

A. Amaterasu

Your arguments were not strong enough to persuade. Once you reach the Mangekyou Techniques your answer to every single power was this[

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]. Once you obtained this Manga panel every single one of your arguments became to "Dodge." Your argument for Amaterasu was:

A-Amaterasu. Amaterasu are black flames that travel at incredible speeds. Your reaction timing must be on par to the 4th raikage in order to dodge them.

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Now the Hyuuga can counter Amaterasu very easily. First their eyes allow the user to sense all of the opponents attacks.

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Therefore it has the same ability to perceive and counter attacks as the sharingan does. Next Amaterasu creates pressure in the air.

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Even someone without the insight of the byakugan like Nagato could sense it. To add onto my defense the user can blow amaterasu off their body.

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Here you can see nagato blowing the amaterasu off his body using Shinra tensei. Neji can do the same thing, except by using his chakra.

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By being able to shoot chakra out of all his pores, he can effectively blow off amaterasu. In fact if the byakugan user doesn't care to use heavenly rotation he can just walk through the amaterasu and blow it off without the use of jutsu. Think of it as similar to gaara's sand armor that he wears on his skin. If the Gaara analogy doesn't help you, think of when Gohan is fighting Bojack in SSJ2 and he blows off the strings. Same concept except instead of using raw energy Neji is using chakra(which in a sense is energy).

I want to first talk about TenTen's statement. Tenten was explaining the greatest of Neji Hyuga's abilities in reference to Taijutsu. Your taking what she says out of content and are directing it toward a entire different echelon of attacking, Ninjutsu. Which I will not say is unfair to do but it's weak when attacking Amaterasu with. You said that Amaterasu creates a pressure in the air. This is not true. Amaterasu does create a pressure but the pressure is not in the air the pressure is more of a bad feeling. Which is one of the reasons why Sage Mode Naruto can sense it's malice. Your statement that "even someone without the insight of the byakugon like nagato could sense it" bothers me. Your implying Nagato's senses are not very high because he does not poessess a Byakugon which is incorrect seeing as he could find Kabuto's exact location for Itachi as far as they were from him by sensing his Chakra.

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Now in response to your implication that Neji could sense Amaterasu and dodge it you must realize while this could be possible it's not because Neji is ignorant to Amaterasu. Neji has no knowledge of how it is executed he could not dodge it. The bleeding from the eye of an Uchiha would hint to Amaterasu being an Eye Jutsu but upon use Amaterasu Ignites where the User is looking and would incinerate Neji. Even with knowledge Neji would not be capable. What applies to the Sharingan applies to the Byakugon. If Neji's body is not capable of dodging Amaterasu he will not dodge it no matter what his eyes can see. Sharingan itself has counters to being sensed as well. The pressure of Amaterasu comes during the time of the eye bleeding[

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]. Once released you know the attack will land where they are looking and usually that is after the bleed, but Amaterasu can be stalled.

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Itachi was not required to restart the prep process[

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You then begin to compare Neji's full body blow Technique to Shinra Tensei. These two Techniques work on two completely different mechanics. We know that Amaterasu can engulf chakra and turn it into ashes.

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The Chakra that Neji is pushing through every pore of his body would work as fuel for the flames to burn. The Chakra Neji pushes off would causes the flames to increase in size because the flames adapt to it's target. The more the flames have to burn the larger the flames get[

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]. It was released as a disk but once it made contact swallowed the entire body of Zetsu.The flames would not be pushed off. The reason Shinra Tensei can push the flames off is because Shinra Tensei is based around gravity which has no physical entity. Without a physical state the flames have nothing to burn and will thus be pushed and disappear. Now there is also a difference between just igniting Amaterasu from a simple glance and focusing the Amaterasu. Itachi used the Amaterasu on the Dogs and the flames was not great enough to swallow the entire being[

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the flames with be much greater in size and burning potential being a greater flames.

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Focused flames also ignite more than once.

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Notice the flames ignite 3 times. The flames only travel when the head is turning and the eye is still for example in the picture where Itachi is slowly trying to hit the wing of Sasuke. In life it would be like me slowly turning my head rather than moving my eyes.

B.Tsukuyomi

Your Argument for Tsukuyomi is here:

B-Tsukuyomi-The Byakugan can sense when an opponent is going to use genjutsu. Since Genjutsu requires you to insert your chakra, they're two ways for the Byakugan user to avoid getting caught in Tsukuyomi. The first way is to just close your eyes and use the sight provided by the Byakugan. Since it allows the use to see in 360 degrees, eye to eye contact is not required. So even if the user chooses to have his eyes open, he does not need to look at the users eye's.

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The second way, is to disrupt your chakra flow.

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Since Byakugan users have perfect chakra control, it is an easy task for them.

Your two points on how the Byakugon could counter the the Tsukuyomi were tainted. While Tsukuyomi is a Genjutsu to compare it to a normal Genjutsu is inaccurate. You stated that Neji could close his eyes and use his Byakugon Vision to be his new eyes because he has a 359 degree Vision automatically. In this sense Neji would still be able to see Itachi's eyes and would be placed under a Genjutsu. It is not the same situation as when Kabuto did this because Kabuto used his Snakes and Sage Powers to see attacks coming. He was essential fighting blind completely. Jiraiya's method of disrupting one's own chakra failed in the eyes of Itachi Ephemeral. Naruto attempted that route and it failed.

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Naruto was finally release through others(Sakura and Chiyo) releasing him[

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]. This was not even the power of his Tsukuyomi. Which has feats of coma's[

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C. Susanoo
Your argument for Susanoo was:

C-Susanoo(oh boy I bet all the fanboys are thinking its impossible) - The Byakugan gives the user the highest degree of insight being able to see all forms of chakra at the highest level. All ninjutsu, Dojutsu, and Genjutsu(plus some forms of taijutsu) require chakra. Susanoo is formed through the materialisation of the user's chakra and as such differs in appearance, as well as colour between users. Therefore Susanoo in itself is just chakra that is unstable unless you possess the perfect susanoo. This spoiler shows susanoo unstable, you can see the head is just like Itachi's and Sasuke's proving that they have an unstable susanoo.

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This shows susanoo in its stable form.

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Now here is where susanoo fails against the Byakugan. Since the Byakugan gives the user the highest degree of chakra insight, it can see the chakra holding the jutsu together. With this ability Neji has destoyed a water dome using the Byakugan and his Tenketsus.

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Something to note is not even the sharingan can do that. Since the Byakugan allows you to see chakra levels making the jutsu active, it can see the chakra keeping susanoo together and disrupt it.

Your argument for Susanoo was not very strong. Your started off with stating some things about Susanoo to establish credibility and then spoke on how Susanoo is an unstable form of the User's Chakra. That is untrue. Susanoo is stable but Madara, possessing the greatest Sharingan and years of wisdom and training was capable of creating a more stabled form. Basically to change the appearance. Now you said that the Byakugon can see the chakra holding Susanoo together and disrupt it. The Chakra holding Susanoo together is the Chakra we see and the Chakra that is defending Sasuke. If a Byakugon User would want to shutdown the Susanoo they would need to make physical contact with the User and shutdown their chakra system[

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]. While only a slight touch is necessary that touch can not be made with a full body defense such as Susanoo[

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]. Contact cannot be made therefore Susanoo can not be destroyed.

D. Susanoo Arrow

Your Argument.

C1-Susanoo arrows. We have seen how a tree can brush Susanoo arrows off course.

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So with that in mind, chakra which is a lot stronger then tree's so the byakugan would be able to do the same.. Now let me explain something before the fanboys go wild. In the kidimaro vs Neji fight, Neji deflected his high speed arrows in the cursed seal 2 state(a power that is comparable to the one tails) by covering his body in chakra.

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Now the reason he had to do that is because Kidomaro knew the weakness of the byakugan.

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The problem is even if the Sharingan user is using susanoo, neji will not turn his back to it and thus the Byakugan will be able to sense the attack coming. With that he would be able to use heavenly rotation and change the arrow off course. These arrows are no different from other arrows except that the speed which is delivered is too fast to dodge. The Hyuuga have no need to dodge due to heavenly rotation and since they can sense the attack coming, the arrows are useless.

In your argument here your comparing Kidomaru's Arrow from Part one with Susanoo's Arrows of part two. This is insulting to Susanoo arrow. They have many differences that you did not name for example the Susanoo Arrow has more chakra and the chakra is more concentrated. This make the penetrating power greater. You admitted that the Susanoo Arrow is much faster than the Arrow Kidomaru used and this is the most important part of Penetration, speed. Susanoo arrow has three greater aspects of penetration than Kidomaru's Arrow and Kidomaru's Arrow was on slightly redirect.

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This arrow was even before Kidomaru made his edits to the Arrow[

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]. The momentum of a Susanoo Arrow has never slowed. The Aura of Chakra Neji used against Kidomaru would fail miserably against a Susanoo Arrow. To be honest they should have not been compared.

E. Susanoo Sword

Your Argument.

C2-Susanoo sword. This sword follows the same concept. Now Gaara is able to use normal sand to block susanoo swords.

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Heavenly rotation has been stated to be superior

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. Now logic indicates a superior defense will have the same results or better then the defense it is compared too. No further explanation is needed.

TenTen said that back then Gaara's defense was inferior to Neji and that is simply just TenTen's personal opinion on the matter. TenTen's hype is not something to be taken as fact. Even so the gaara spoken about back then is long gone his defense has increase so far that he has rose to the rank of Kazekage. His defense could not even be breached by Kimimaro's strongest bone attack in curse mark 2 form.

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The feats of Gaara after the Chunin exams even before Shippuden towers over those of Neji's. Which means do not credit Neji's abilities with feats from Gaara's based of an outdated bias comment from TenTen.

F. Kotomatsukami

Your Argument.

Kotoamatsukami- This is The most powerful genjutsu to ever be conceived in naruto. The Byakugan is already immune to genjutsu since they can see chakra flow. Due to the fact that this is not a genjutsu that causes a illusion and merely controls your thoughts, in terms of combat effectiveness against a hyuuga its scale of effectiveness is lower then the Tsukuyomi. Now since the Hyuuga can see their chakra flow as well as others they can disrupt the genjutsu without trouble. The byakugan have been stated to see a genjutsu that is similar to KA

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and the byakugan broke that genjutsu of near identical power.

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The difference is the Jutsu was placed on someone other than themselves. The Jutsu can not be broken as easily as your implying because the Jutsu specializes in being in disguise. It alters your memories and forces you to believe it's true. A Jutsu like this could not be discovered in oneself but by others.

G. Kamui
I am not sure if you actually countered Kamui.
Sorry I did not have time to finish the last bit you had....

Unbiased · Dec 2, 2012

Fighter2011 said:
What a joke of a fanboy? When you see Arguments that you cannot counter, you just Ask people not to answer (look at your other post), or Say tbat there is "so much wrong". Pathetic excuse of a fanboy. Unless kishi Decides to show some new, awesome power For the hyuuga, there is no way they can beat a Mangekyu Sharingan user. No way. Go to sleep kid.

Everything you have asked have been countered. Read the thread kid.

BlackDude said:
:sy: How can you come up with this question if I do understand the byakugan. I just simply disagree

You haven't displayed any sort of understanding for the byakugan so I can definitely come up with this question.

fastrthnwind · Dec 2, 2012

Fighter2011 said:
What a joke of a fanboy? When you see Arguments that you cannot counter, you just Ask people not to answer (look at your other post), or Say tbat there is "so much wrong". Pathetic excuse of a fanboy. Unless kishi Decides to show some new, awesome power For the hyuuga, there is no way they can beat a Mangekyu Sharingan user. No way. Go to sleep kid.

You honestly know nothing of the hyuugas abilities. Go do some research first before replying. I am a simple fan who thinks that the hyuugas have abilities that can counter MS abilities. So please GTFO of this thread unless you KNOW what you are saying, which you obviously do not.

Fighter2011 · Dec 2, 2012

Unbiased said:
Everything you have asked have been countered. Read the thread kid.

You haven't displayed any sort of understanding for the byakugan so I can definitely come up with this question.

you have not countered anything of what i Said, which were counters to your original post. Go read my other post kid.

History · Dec 2, 2012

Unbiased said:
You are a prime example of someone who has no understanding of what they're talking about.

1-No where has it been seen that amaterasu burns through chakra.
2-Neji didn't use heavenly rotation against kidimaro I even posted a picture are you blind or just illiterate?
3-They can sense the change in chakra within their body so it is counterable.
Don't try arguing about Kamui you won't get very far.

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burned his ration armor clean off.
2 it doesnt matter what he used kidomaro arrow hit him susanoo arrow is faster bigger in stronger .

3 he isnt dodging kamui so how does he get out of it unless your saying he faster than the ms sight?
counter to ps i need a great laff

4 so karin can dodge eveything with sensing things right also how would he know whats coming when he doesnt no ms tech and chakra flow is contant thru the sharingan in rotation takes time here >

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susanoo arrows blows clean thru that shiiiiit

also please what does neji do if sasuke jumps at him like this

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with blaze release on it

fastrthnwind · Dec 2, 2012

Microsword57 said:
A. Amaterasu

Your arguments were not strong enough to persuade. Once you reach the Mangekyou Techniques your answer to every single power was this[
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]. Once you obtained this Manga panel every single one of your arguments became to "Dodge." Your argument for Amaterasu was:I want to first talk about TenTen's statement. Tenten was explaining the greatest of Neji Hyuga's abilities in reference to Taijutsu. Your taking what she says out of content and are directing it toward a entire different echelon of attacking, Ninjutsu. Which I will not say is unfair to do but it's weak when attacking Amaterasu with. You said that Amaterasu creates a pressure in the air. This is not true. Amaterasu does create a pressure but the pressure is not in the air the pressure is more of a bad feeling. Which is one of the reasons why Sage Mode Naruto can sense it's malice. Your statement that "even someone without the insight of the byakugon like nagato could sense it" bothers me. Your implying Nagato's senses are not very high because he does not poessess a Byakugon which is incorrect seeing as he could find Kabuto's exact location for Itachi as far as they were from him by sensing his Chakra.

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Now in response to your implication that Neji could sense Amaterasu and dodge it you must realize while this could be possible it's not because Neji is ignorant to Amaterasu. Neji has no knowledge of how it is executed he could not dodge it. The bleeding from the eye of an Uchiha would hint to Amaterasu being an Eye Jutsu but upon use Amaterasu Ignites where the User is looking and would incinerate Neji. Even with knowledge Neji would not be capable. What applies to the Sharingan applies to the Byakugon. If Neji's body is not capable of dodging Amaterasu he will not dodge it no matter what his eyes can see. Sharingan itself has counters to being sensed as well. The pressure of Amaterasu comes during the time of the eye bleeding[
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Itachi was not required to restart the prep process[
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You then begin to compare Neji's full body blow Technique to Shinra Tensei. These two Techniques work on two completely different mechanics. We know that Amaterasu can engulf chakra and turn it into ashes.

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The Chakra that Neji is pushing through every pore of his body would work as fuel for the flames to burn. The Chakra Neji pushes off would causes the flames to increase in size because the flames adapt to it's target. The more the flames have to burn the larger the flames get[
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]. It was released as a disk but once it made contact swallowed the entire body of Zetsu.The flames would not be pushed off. The reason Shinra Tensei can push the flames off is because Shinra Tensei is based around gravity which has no physical entity. Without a physical state the flames have nothing to burn and will thus be pushed and disappear. Now there is also a difference between just igniting Amaterasu from a simple glance and focusing the Amaterasu. Itachi used the Amaterasu on the Dogs and the flames was not great enough to swallow the entire being[
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the flames with be much greater in size and burning potential being a greater flames.

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Focused flames also ignite more than once.

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Notice the flames ignite 3 times. The flames only travel when the head is turning and the eye is still for example in the picture where Itachi is slowly trying to hit the wing of Sasuke. In life it would be like me slowly turning my head rather than moving my eyes.

B.Tsukuyomi

Your Argument for Tsukuyomi is here:
Your two points on how the Byakugon could counter the the Tsukuyomi were tainted. While Tsukuyomi is a Genjutsu to compare it to a normal Genjutsu is inaccurate. You stated that Neji could close his eyes and use his Byakugon Vision to be his new eyes because he has a 359 degree Vision automatically. In this sense Neji would still be able to see Itachi's eyes and would be placed under a Genjutsu. It is not the same situation as when Kabuto did this because Kabuto used his Snakes and Sage Powers to see attacks coming. He was essential fighting blind completely. Jiraiya's method of disrupting one's own chakra failed in the eyes of Itachi Ephemeral. Naruto attempted that route and it failed.

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Naruto was finally release through others(Sakura and Chiyo) releasing him[
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C. Susanoo
Your argument for Susanoo was:

Your argument for Susanoo was not very strong. Your started off with stating some things about Susanoo to establish credibility and then spoke on how Susanoo is an unstable form of the User's Chakra. That is untrue. Susanoo is stable but Madara, possessing the greatest Sharingan and years of wisdom and training was capable of creating a more stabled form. Basically to change the appearance. Now you said that the Byakugon can see the chakra holding Susanoo together and disrupt it. The Chakra holding Susanoo together is the Chakra we see and the Chakra that is defending Sasuke. If a Byakugon User would want to shutdown the Susanoo they would need to make physical contact with the User and shutdown their chakra system[
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]. While only a slight touch is necessary that touch can not be made with a full body defense such as Susanoo[
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]. Contact cannot be made therefore Susanoo can not be destroyed.

D. Susanoo Arrow

Your Argument.
In your argument here your comparing Kidomaru's Arrow from Part one with Susanoo's Arrows of part two. This is insulting to Susanoo arrow. They have many differences that you did not name for example the Susanoo Arrow has more chakra and the chakra is more concentrated. This make the penetrating power greater. You admitted that the Susanoo Arrow is much faster than the Arrow Kidomaru used and this is the most important part of Penetration, speed. Susanoo arrow has three greater aspects of penetration than Kidomaru's Arrow and Kidomaru's Arrow was on slightly redirect.

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This arrow was even before Kidomaru made his edits to the Arrow[
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]. The momentum of a Susanoo Arrow has never slowed. The Aura of Chakra Neji used against Kidomaru would fail miserably against a Susanoo Arrow. To be honest they should have not been compared.

E. Susanoo Sword

Your Argument.
TenTen said that back then Gaara's defense was inferior to Neji and that is simply just TenTen's personal opinion on the matter. TenTen's hype is not something to be taken as fact. Even so the gaara spoken about back then is long gone his defense has increase so far that he has rose to the rank of Kazekage. His defense could not even be breached by Kimimaro's strongest bone attack in curse mark 2 form.

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The feats of Gaara after the Chunin exams even before Shippuden towers over those of Neji's. Which means do not credit Neji's abilities with feats from Gaara's based of an outdated bias comment from TenTen.

F. Kotomatsukami

Your Argument.

Kotoamatsukami- This is The most powerful genjutsu to ever be conceived in naruto. The Byakugan is already immune to genjutsu since they can see chakra flow. Due to the fact that this is not a genjutsu that causes a illusion and merely controls your thoughts, in terms of combat effectiveness against a hyuuga its scale of effectiveness is lower then the Tsukuyomi. Now since the Hyuuga can see their chakra flow as well as others they can disrupt the genjutsu without trouble. The byakugan have been stated to see a genjutsu that is similar to KA

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and the byakugan broke that genjutsu of near identical power.

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The difference is the Jutsu was placed on someone other than themselves. The Jutsu can not be broken as easily as your implying because the Jutsu specializes in being in disguise. It alters your memories and forces you to believe it's true. A Jutsu like this could not be discovered in oneself but by others.

G. Kamui
I am not sure if you actually countered Kamui.
Sorry I did not have time to finish the last bit you had....

Finally, someone who knows what they are talking about!

It gonna take a while to counter all of these points, so dont expect a reply to this very soon.

(Facts and Manga pages) the Byakugan is the 2nd strongest dojutsu

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