[Discussion] Your Political Ideology
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The United States have a huge national debt.
The United States' prisons are overcrowed and criminal activity is sky-high.
The United States' 1% owns almost 50% of the total financial wealth.
The United States have experienced several financial craks, with one in 2008 costing the nation more than a trillion dollars and costing millions of people their savings.
The United States' latest presidential race cost more than a billion dollars in campaigns alone.
The crown-jewel if Liberalism is controlled by a small elite. You have two choices politically, because your very election-system is flawed at its core. Your finances are controlled by people who earn millions by taking them from others.
Your 'diligent workers' are fired because your elite outsources your jobs and blame the governmen for forcing their hand.
Your jobs are disappearing at a crazy rate, leaving the diligent and 'educated' americans without jobs and without an income base because their bosses simply felt like firing them.
You have no safety-nets for the poor or the unlucky.
Yours is a system built on egoism and it's eating itself .-.
So failing once should cost you your entire adult life?
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Capitalism is the only known form of government to actually work, all the others fail miserably and the citizens live in poverty. I can explain why, but I shouldn't have to, it's simple math. I'm a capitalist.
You're a student of economics? Impressive ^^
I'm 17 and I'm well aware that the transition from capitalism to communism is all but impossible. That being said; when the transition is complete, communism works like a well-oiled machine.
The Paris Commune, though brief, is a good example of the Proletariat governing themselves.
It sure works!
With all the homesless and unemployed there are! I'm sure you love sweatshops, too ^^ After all, the kids should work to earn their keep. Can't have 'em turn lazy.
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I am not aware of any sweat shops in the US...maybe you're thinking about socialist China? That's not capitalism, just so you know. I am repeatedly amused by your comments, thank you for so many laughs.It sure works!
Edit: Oh, and theres so many unemployed in the US because it's now becoming a socialist government. Those in the US may thank Obama for not having a job.
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China? Socialist? Those two don't even go together. China is the most Capitalist nation in the world.
And I'm talking about the sweatshops owned by American corporations, who have outsourced the jobs and 'given' them to uneducated children whom work for scraps.
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:rofl: I suggest you use google before you say any more. :rofl: You just sound stupid now, that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. :rofl: I highly recommend an education, it will do you good.
Everything you just said is the opposite of what reality is.Ad hominem fallacy.:rofl: I suggest you use google before you say any more. :rofl: You just sound stupid now, that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. :rofl: I highly recommend an education, it will do you good.
"However, China's 2011 nominal GDP per capita of US$5,413 puts it behind around ninety countries (out of 183 countries on the IMF list) in global GDP per capita rankings."
"Modern-day China is mainly characterized as having a market economy based on private property ownership, and is one of the leading examples of state capitalism." (
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)How is this socialism?
I didn't use google, but you could at least use Wikipedia before you call me stupid.
Thanks for your repley.
BOLD PART: You cannot compare poilitical decisions with the fundamental concept of a state, both do not necessarly depend on each other.
The "crack" in 2008, you mean the so called "finance crisis"?
It wasn't the main fault of the USA and especially NOT the fault of capitalism lol! That's actually the main belief of everyone who did not watch the news or a political discussion since 2009.
W/e back to the main topic!
The most easy way to check if your system will be econimically able to stay alive is to ask one single question:
Does the demand and supply for good and money have a free (free= depending on market) but influencable will?
Answer it with a "yes" and you'll have a long life. If not there is no way you wouldn't do impositions form the very first second. The idea of your ideology is really great but not economically doable in the slightest way. As you can see I do only look at the possibility to realise the system.
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Here, educate yourself, this is the search result for socialist China.
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Just in case you do not know how to use google, obviously your ignarance is blinding. xd
Ad hominem.
And, uh, dude, you should read your links:
"This article is about the historical political philosophy during the Republican era of China. For the economic system practiced in the People's Republic of China, see Socialist market economy." (
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) Do you know what the Republican Era was? Well, it lasted from 1912 to 1949. It has nothing to do with China today.
Socialist market economy, however, has everything to do with China today, and it reads:
"Despite its formal title, this system has been widely cited as a form of state capitalism." (
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)Socialism often has a common denominator in Marx's thoughts and ideas regarding capitalism. He, more than anyone, criticized the monetary classes in the Capitalist society. It's these classes that the Chinese government encourages. They've adopted a Capitalist system that encourages class division and class exploitation, which is the direct opposite of Socialism, as Socialism encourages and promotes a society without classes.
When China promotes class division, they, per difiniton, cannot call themselves Socialist.
Socialism doesn't always mean stae-ownership. That's a common misunderstanding.
Politics is not a military industry as before people like Aristotle politics were used.
Very short overview of Aristotle politics
Democracy:dangerous self rule
Monarchy:leader works for the good of the people
Tyranny:leader works his own benefit
Aristocracy:a few working for the good of the people
Oligarchy:a few working for their own benefit
Polity:the rule of many for the benefit of all
Now as for working I think you should work.
You are not being punished for the choices your parents make as the scientist Tesla grew up poor but was not held back. While money helps for getting where you want to go it is not a wall. Your parents also do not have to pay for college as you could work to pay for it yourself or help them also pay for college.
Exactly, capitalism is what has been shown to work much better than socialism and communism. America was brought up on capitalism and is proof that if smart people are running things, it works.
China is based on a solcialistic constitution with communistic government ó,ò but over the time they changed. The way they think and act nowadays is probably the rawest/most reckless capitalistic way ever.
PS: The main topic of this thread hopefully is cleared.
PS: The main topic of this thread hopefully is cleared.
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Damn, your a simple mind. You just explained the definite meaning of politics. But that has nothing to do with my statement. I am only pointing out the corruption in american politics. Mentioning Aristotle doesn't back up your story. _O-
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-Debt was caused by poor management
-US prisons are crowded because of high population
-The 1% figure is completely false
-Financial problems were caused by poor management
To find out which system works and which does not is simple. Just look at California and Texas.
California is close to the way you want things to run. Do you know what the state's financial position is currently? California is bankrupt.
Texas is the opposite. Do you know what the state's financial position is currently? Growing.
You listed those socialist countries like Sweden but to support their way of living they have a HUGE tax and if they do not get enough money to support their socialism then they will end up like Greece and some other EU countries that are collapsing.
-Debt was consciously created to pressure the citizens more financially.
-US Prisons are crowded because crowded prisons are profitable.
-I guess with the 1% figure you mean the elitists who bought off congress, the white house, etc. That's a fact, wether you want to turn a blind eye to it is up to you.
-Financial problems are caused by the corrupt monetary system that's created to transfer money from the poor to the wealthy.
I support no one.... With all due respect I despise both left and right. I dislike Liberals and Conservatives, I'm not a fan of the Democratic or Republican party. I'am a moderate Libertarian, I'm a really middle person. I'm slit right down the middle per say ... because both sides are idiots :|
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I am also a believer in Libertarian/Anarcho Communism like you are because
I don't want greedy people shipping my job overseas and putting profit above the people half of my family lost jobs because of the selfish intentions of other people. There are over 150 workers who were fired from a Sensata plant recently and you would think WHEN THOSE WORKERS MADE THEM OVER 600 MILLION IN HALF A YEAR you would think you would reward them right? Nope this cocky boss sent the jobs to China for cheap labor. Libertarian/Anarcho Communism counters this because I won't need to worry about people taking my income
Also this ensures the greatest freedom and the well being of the people rather than the wealthy and powerful which the wealthy/powerful they can restrict you like working your ass for very little in return. Your future is in their hands you never know one day you may walk into work and find you got fired because the boss simply wanted to and know you're struggling to find another job.
There's been cases were women got fired because they simply rejected having *** with there boss and they threaten the women ''If you don't have *** with me you loss your job.'' what kind of BS is that
I don't want greedy people shipping my job overseas and putting profit above the people half of my family lost jobs because of the selfish intentions of other people. There are over 150 workers who were fired from a Sensata plant recently and you would think WHEN THOSE WORKERS MADE THEM OVER 600 MILLION IN HALF A YEAR you would think you would reward them right? Nope this cocky boss sent the jobs to China for cheap labor. Libertarian/Anarcho Communism counters this because I won't need to worry about people taking my income
Also this ensures the greatest freedom and the well being of the people rather than the wealthy and powerful which the wealthy/powerful they can restrict you like working your ass for very little in return. Your future is in their hands you never know one day you may walk into work and find you got fired because the boss simply wanted to and know you're struggling to find another job.
There's been cases were women got fired because they simply rejected having *** with there boss and they threaten the women ''If you don't have *** with me you loss your job.'' what kind of BS is that