Tsuchikage's Rock Golem vs Sasuke's Susano'o!

[Piratefish]

No Amaterasu, Jinton, whatever. Oonoki is riding in the middle of the Rock Golem, EXACTLY like a diminutive Mad Scientist (with a bona fide Death Ray, as well!)

Chakra Construct vs Chakra Construct. Mano a mano, as it were.

SASUKE'S SUSANO'O!​

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TSUCHIKAGE'S ROCK GOLEM!​

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Now, before you say anything like "Susano'o stomps" consider this:

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The Rock Golem is pretty solid.

 

[Piratefish]

Was this not a topic interesting to ANYONE?

 

[TheSages456]

sasukes susano fodderizes it.

 

[megallica]

amaterasu magatamas easily consumes the golem.

 

[KidGamer65]

Oonoki's Golem gets man handled by Susanoo.

 

[BlackDude]

Sasuke laughs

 

[Piratefish]

I'm fairly certain I restricted Amaterasu, just like I restricted Jinton.

But even if I hadn't, it wouldn't be as clear-cut as you guys' are making it out to be. Oonoki's Golem has, with help, withstood MADARA'S YASAKA MAGATAMA. Itachi'd version used a SINGLE Tomoe-trio, and THAT attack was implied to be on the level of a Bijuudama or a Rasenshruiken. Madara used THIRTEEN AT LEAST.

And completely without help, it withstood 5 (cloned) Susano'o Swords WITHOUT A SCRATCH.

 

[KidGamer65]

I'm fairly certain I restricted Amaterasu, just like I restricted Jinton.

But even if I hadn't, it wouldn't be as clear-cut as you guys' are making it out to be. Oonoki's Golem has, with help, withstood MADARA'S YASAKA MAGATAMA. Itachi'd version used a SINGLE Tomoe-trio, and THAT attack was implied to be on the level of a Bijuudama or a Rasenshruiken. Madara used THIRTEEN AT LEAST.

And completely without help, it withstood 5 (cloned) Susano'o Swords WITHOUT A SCRATCH.

No, Yasaka's Magatama wasn't implied to be on Rasen Shuriken or Bijuu Dama's level, he just used it as it was his strongest long range attack.

Smashing rocks is easier than cutting through it, and you never restricted Sasuke's Susanoo's blade, so it gets lit up with the black flames.

 

[Piratefish]

No, Yasaka's Magatama wasn't implied to be on Rasen Shuriken or Bijuu Dama's level, he just used it as it was his strongest long range attack.

Smashing rocks is easier than cutting through it, and you never restricted Sasuke's Susanoo's blade, so it gets lit up with the black flames.

As Yasaka Magatama is not only the name of a Legendary Treasure like the Yata Mirror, cast at the same time as Rasenshruiken and Bijuudama to destroy Chibaku Tensei, AND requires Susano'o to cast, it seems like it's not TOO much weaker than either techniques.

Rocks, especially rocks durable enough to withstand quintuple Susano'o blades, seem like they'd handle single blades easily enough. Even with added Amaterasu.

 

[KidGamer65]

As Yasaka Magatama is not only the name of a Legendary Treasure like the Yata Mirror, cast at the same time as Rasenshruiken and Bijuudama to destroy Chibaku Tensei, AND requires Susano'o to cast, it seems like it's not TOO much weaker than either techniques.

Rocks, especially rocks durable enough to withstand quintuple Susano'o blades, seem like they'd handle single blades easily enough. Even with added Amaterasu.

We can't say exactly how strong Magatama is, but I'm sure a Bijuu Dama is far above it.

Amaterasu lights it on fire, that's all that is needed.

 

[Piratefish]

We can't say exactly how strong Magatama is, but I'm sure a Bijuu Dama is far above it.

Amaterasu lights it on fire, that's all that is needed.

A Bijuudama is probably way stronger, true, but tanking Madara's Magatama, even with added help, and not being completely destroyed is a pretty decent testament to the techniques durability. It didn't seem like it suffered more than a chunk of its head being ripped off.

Amaterasu lights the OUTER LAYER on fire, as there's no proof Sasuke's Sword is superior to Madara's cloneswords in penetrating power. Five of them at once didn't seem to have even scratched the Golem. So at most Sasuke lights the outer edge of Oonoki's Golem on fire, and what then?

Is it instantly vanquished? Turned into a puddle of goo by the flames?

Sure, it would be, if Amaterasu was REALLY as hot as the inside of the sun. It isn't. The Rock Golem could tank it, probably for several minutes, before beginning to lose structural integrity. More, if Oonoki is reinforcing it.

And in the mean time Sasuke has to deal with a FLAMING ROCK GOLEM HE CAN'T DAMAGE. If he retracts the flames, the Golem won't be hurt at all. If he keeps the flames active, he's given his opponent access to the STRONGEST FIRE JUTSU IN EXISTENCE as an enhancement.

If Sasuke survives the ensuing onslaught until the Golem begins to melt, he's won the battle. If not, he's toast, in more ways than one.

He'd end up squashed flat and burnt on both sides, is what I'm saying.

 

[KidGamer65]

A Bijuudama is probably way stronger, true, but tanking Madara's Magatama, even with added help, and not being completely destroyed is a pretty decent testament to the techniques durability. It didn't seem like it suffered more than a chunk of its head being ripped off.

Amaterasu lights the OUTER LAYER on fire, as there's no proof Sasuke's Sword is superior to Madara's cloneswords in penetrating power. Five of them at once didn't seem to have even scratched the Golem. So at most Sasuke lights the outer edge of Oonoki's Golem on fire, and what then?

Is it instantly vanquished? Turned into a puddle of goo by the flames?

Sure, it would be, if Amaterasu was REALLY as hot as the inside of the sun. It isn't. The Rock Golem could tank it, probably for several minutes, before beginning to lose structural integrity. More, if Oonoki is reinforcing it.

And in the mean time Sasuke has to deal with a FLAMING ROCK GOLEM HE CAN'T DAMAGE. If he retracts the flames, the Golem won't be hurt at all. If he keeps the flames active, he's given his opponent access to the STRONGEST FIRE JUTSU IN EXISTENCE as an enhancement.

If Sasuke survives the ensuing onslaught until the Golem begins to melt, he's won the battle. If not, he's toast, in more ways than one.

He'd end up squashed flat and burnt on both sides, is what I'm saying.

That Golem hasn't shown enough destructive power to break Sasuke's Final Susanoo.

And if this is a Chakra Structure vs Chakra Structure fight, Oonoki shouldn't be allowed to reinforce it.

 

[SasukeUchiha910]

sasukes susano fodderizes it.

this.....

 

[Piratefish]

That Golem hasn't shown enough destructive power to break Sasuke's Final Susanoo.

And if this is a Chakra Structure vs Chakra Structure fight, Oonoki shouldn't be allowed to reinforce it.

So, if any damage applied STAYS, the Rock Golem should able to eventually break through Susano'o even without any attack proven to accomplish it on its own. But similar attacks performed by Oonoki and Kitsuchi (who's either his son or son-in-law) have proven destructive potential on similar foes to Susano'o.

Here:

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That's a pic of Kitsuchi forcing Six-Tails-Mode Kinkaku (or Ginkaku) back with a single rocky punch. That punch can be enhanced.

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Seen here, Oonoki destroys a Boss Summon with the Ultra-Weighted-Rock Technique.

As the opening pictures show, he can use the Weighted-Rock Technique on FIVE Susano'o's, so he could easily use it on his own chakra construct. Presumably he could manage even the enhanced version, meaning EVERY attack used on Susano'o would be of this kind:

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Except about ten times as large. Or so. I'm bad with scale.

Oonoki might be able to use the Ultra-Lightened-Rock Technique on his golem as well, meaning it might well be FASTER than Susano'o.

this.....

Pardon me, SasukeUchiha910, I'm waiting for OnokiTsuchikage9000's equally objective opinion before I change my mind.

 

[KidGamer65]

So, if any damage applied STAYS, the Rock Golem should able to eventually break through Susano'o even without any attack proven to accomplish it on its own. But similar attacks performed by Oonoki and Kitsuchi (who's either his son or son-in-law) have proven destructive potential on similar foes to Susano'o.

Here:

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That's a pic of Kitsuchi forcing Six-Tails-Mode Kinkaku (or Ginkaku) back with a single rocky punch. That punch can be enhanced.

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Seen here, Oonoki destroys a Boss Summon with the Ultra-Weighted-Rock Technique.

As the opening pictures show, he can use the Weighted-Rock Technique on FIVE Susano'o's, so he could easily use it on his own chakra construct. Presumably he could manage even the enhanced version, meaning EVERY attack used on Susano'o would be of this kind:

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Except about ten times as large. Or so. I'm bad with scale.

Oonoki might be able to use the Ultra-Lightened-Rock Technique on his golem as well, meaning it might well be FASTER than Susano'o.

If Oonoki is helping out his golem, then it really isn't Golem vs Susanoo like your thread says , it is Oonoki and Golem vs Susanoo.

The Golem by itself can't beat Susanoo.

 

[Piratefish]

If Oonoki is helping out his golem, then it really isn't Golem vs Susanoo like your thread says , it is Oonoki and Golem vs Susanoo.

The Golem by itself can't beat Susanoo.

If Sasuke uses Amaterasu Magatama, it isn't really a Golem vs Susano'o like my thread says, it's Sasuke and Susano'o vs Golem.

Amaterasu Magatama, and the Flaming Sword, are Enton variations, not natural Susano'o techs. The same applies.

 

[KidGamer65]

If Sasuke uses Amaterasu Magatama, it isn't really a Golem vs Susano'o like my thread says, it's Sasuke and Susano'o vs Golem.

Amaterasu Magatama, and the Flaming Sword, are Enton variations, not natural Susano'o techs. The same applies.

Arrows come with Susanoo, The Sword comes with Susanoo also, and the Amaterasu Orb comes with it so Sasuke's Susanoo can use all these techs.

Onoki's golem doesn't come with the techniques Onoki uses to make it more powerful, so no it is not the same thing.

 

[Piratefish]

Arrows come with Susanoo, The Sword comes with Susanoo also, and the Amaterasu Orb comes with it so Sasuke's Susanoo can use all these techs.

Onoki's golem doesn't come with the techniques Onoki uses to make it more powerful, so no it is not the same thing.

So why don't Itachi and Madara use these things, if they're universal to Susano'o?

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

Both jinton and Amtratsu is restricted I honestly believe the rock golem takes it tho sasuke arrow is strong I dnt think it can destroy it if it couldn't destroy a pillar maybe a whole bunch of them at once but yeah

Rock golem for me..

 

[KidGamer65]

So why don't Itachi and Madara use these things, if they're universal to Susano'o?

Who said that they are universal to Susanoo, they come with Sasuke's Susanoo.