"That" Jutsu ; full analysis ; connected to what the 7 beasts gave him

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Now you may be thinking that this has been discussed countless of times, and that you all you need to know about that jutsu. If that is the case, do please read the last part of the thread in blue color, since I would like opinions on that "prediction". Anyway have fun! :)

1. Analysis of "that" jutsu

The first ever mention of "that" jutsu by Jiraya is here:

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It's obviously something secret / forbidden. Tbh, I think Kishi originally intended it to be, when Naruto started releasing Kuramas chakra, however, he might have changed his mind later. In general, if you are interested you should read through Jirayas conversation with the key-frog in chapter 370. I will, however, summarize chapter 370 shortly:

Summary of chapter 370
Jiraya has a conversation with the frog that holds the key to Narutos seal. He is about to fight Pain, so he tells the frog to store himself with Naruto in case anything goes wrong.
Jiraya says Minato sealed the fox in Naruto for a reason.
He even mentions that it's possible that Madara was behind the 9 tailed fox attack, since only he would be able to summon the fox.

I will also use some pages from Jirayas discussion with the key-frog, here for instance is something weird, which suggest it is no ordinary jutsu:

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What does the key frog mean, when he says:

"Does Naruto even need that jutsu?"

Also Jiraya says that Minato knew something of grave importance:

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I think we can all be sure it has something to do with Obito, and what Obito said, when he fought Minato after pulling the kuybi out of Kushina. Anyway it's probably this:

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So fair enough, the key is given to Naruto. No big deal. However, then we go to chapter 489 and 490, where Naruto was last summoned to Mount Myōboku to have his future foretold by the old geezer frog. This is the next time, where "that" jutsu is mentioned:

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The key-frog explains a lot about how to gain control over the fox' chakra, and that it is the key to perfecting "that" jutsu.

2. Conclusion:

You need Kuramas yang chakra to complete "that" jutsu.

Whatever it is, it is probably not an ordinary jutsu like rasengan or tbb, since the key-frog wonders, why Naruto would even have need for the jutsu. Though one may wonder if Jiraya would actually have been able to teach Naruto some rare jutsu back then...

Possibly there is a 3rd reason, why people of the Uzumaki clan has been the only jinchurikis through the entire story. People of the senju clan, should be just a suited for it, yet Konoha went as far as to bring Kushina to the village just to become the host.
So it might be that there is a jutsu that only an Uzumaki can use, and it requires perfect control over Kuramas chakra.

Naruto hasn't used it yet.

3. Prediction / Discussion

"That" jutsu is not an ordinary jutsu suited for battle or anything. In particular the fact that the key-frog asks, why Naruto would even need that jutsu, is bothering me a lot. Why would he say that if it was a jutsu intended to fight someone like Obito / Madara?

Minato obviously intended for Naruto to learn "That" jutsu, and what is Kishis reason for keeping it in the dark? I have a feeling that it might be an even bigger surprise, when it is revealed compared to a lot of the other "hot" topics in Naruto at the moment, which is why I think it will be the key to "defeating" the Juubi.

We have already seen several resemblances from the SO6P sealing jutsus to the sealing jutsus used by those of the Uzumaki clan. What if the SO6P left a certain jutsu to this clan, which was supposed to be used to bring back the SO6P in some kind of spiritual form, thus bringing forth a "new" savior? The yang chakra from the kuybi is full of life energy. It even reacts to Narutos surroundings:
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The Kuybis yang chakra is full of life-energy that it has the ability to make chakra alive. So what my most far-fetched guess would be, is that the so6p left a tiny bit of his own chakra within all the tailed beasts. These beasts all gave this small part of their chakra to Naruto. Well except for Shukaku of course. Naruto with the full yang-power of the Kuybi could - by using some certain weird jutsu, probably a seal, breathe life into this chakra - either giving him an extreme boost, or actually allowing him to meet the so6p in some spiritual form - which in the end could make him capable of defeating the Juubi.



At least this is my best guess, but yours can be as good as mine, though I think it could be an interesting perspective, if the so6p left some of his chakra in every tailed beast, which is what they gave to Naruto, when he met them.

Sorry for the huge wall of text, and even if most probably didn't read all this, thanks for trying. :ice:
 
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Edit: This is a pretty interesting view on things,+reps.
 
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Edit: This is a pretty interesting view on things,+reps.
Thanks.

Rasengan/TBB
If this was the case, what the key-frog said makes no sense. Why wouldn't Naruto need TBB? If "that" jutsu is the connection from rasengan to TBB Naruto would surely need it to fight an opponent like Obito/Madara. Besides. Why did we never see anything about it in any flashbacks etc? Kishi is clearly going to blow our minds with it, while we are focused on 100 other things.
 

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I personally believe that "that jutsu" was Naruto's "Kyuubi cloak form"...
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If you look closely at naruto's reaction when Jiraya mentions it.. he gets all depressed...
You should note that by Jiraya telling him not to use the jutsu, that he already knows how to use it....
Jiraya then goes ahead and tells kakashi to make sure he doesn't do anything stupid..

They key is really reading naruto's expression here
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We know that some time during the time skip.... While training, naruto entered the kyuubi cloak mode and went on a rampage and almost killed Jiraya..To me, if there was anything naruto felt depressed about using or knew not to use, it would have to be that...


Here we see Jiraya explaining to Kakashi about it, and giving him a solution for it... telling him that he needs to stop it when its at one tail..
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Why the jutsu can't be tbb? What ever it is, Naruto already knows fully well it exists and how to use it.... When bee was explaining tbb to him, it was completely new and he was clueless to how it works
 

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I personally believe that "that jutsu" was Naruto's "Kyuubi cloak form"...
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If you look closely at naruto's reaction when Jiraya mentions it.. he gets all depressed...
You should note that by Jiraya telling him not to use the jutsu, that he already knows how to use it....
Jiraya then goes ahead and tells kakashi to make sure he doesn't do anything stupid..

They key is really reading naruto's expression here
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We know that some time during the time skip.... While training, naruto entered the kyuubi cloak mode and went on a rampage and almost killed Jiraya..To me, if there was anything naruto felt depressed about using or knew not to use, it would have to be that...


Here we see Jiraya explaining to Kakashi about it, and giving him a solution for it... telling him that he needs to stop it when its at one tail..
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Why the jutsu can't be tbb? What ever it is, Naruto already knows fully well it exists and how to use it.... When bee was explaining tbb to him, it was completely new and he was clueless to how it works
What you say makes sense. In the Naruto?Jiraiya convo, it feels like Naruto already know how to use THAT jutsu. But Occam's razor may give us the answer. Maybe THAT jutsu mentionned by Jiraiya and the one mentionned by the frog are simply different jutsus ?? That's what I think anyway
 

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I personally believe that "that jutsu" was Naruto's "Kyuubi cloak form"...
You must be registered for see images
If you look closely at naruto's reaction when Jiraya mentions it.. he gets all depressed...
You should note that by Jiraya telling him not to use the jutsu, that he already knows how to use it....
Jiraya then goes ahead and tells kakashi to make sure he doesn't do anything stupid..

They key is really reading naruto's expression here
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We know that some time during the time skip.... While training, naruto entered the kyuubi cloak mode and went on a rampage and almost killed Jiraya..To me, if there was anything naruto felt depressed about using or knew not to use, it would have to be that...


Here we see Jiraya explaining to Kakashi about it, and giving him a solution for it... telling him that he needs to stop it when its at one tail..
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Why the jutsu can't be tbb? What ever it is, Naruto already knows fully well it exists and how to use it.... When bee was explaining tbb to him, it was completely new and he was clueless to how it works
I gone over this several times, and for a while I thought the same. But then why don't they just call it what it is? The fact that it still hasn't been said anywhere, what "that" jutsu is, is what bothers me the most, and the whole reason I don't think it's "just" the chakra cloak. It is, however, clear that the kuybi cloak is the key to perfecting "that" jutsu:

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This is right after addressing it as "that" jutsu. It obviously states that Naruto needs to open the seal in order to perfect the jutsu, but then why not say it directly that Naruto must learn to control the kuybis chakra?

The main reason why I think it cannot be TBB or just the mere cloak is probably the statement from the key-frog. He asks why Naruto even need "that" jutsu. It truly bothers me. It would be weird to ask, why Naruto needs to be able to go in tailed beast mode. I mean that is the most obvious reason for Minato to seal the fox inside Naruto. Perhaps it's a bad translation or something. I don't know.
 

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You are up to something.. But I do believe that the SO6P left some of his power inside Kurama.. There is no other explanation to why Naruto resembles him so much.. Some might say that Naruto represents the Sages body but all Senju represents his body.. Hashi did not look like him..
 

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Interesting.
We still don't fully understand all the seals out there so it's possible for all sorts of things to happen.
I mean look at Naruto's parents and what they did.
 

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You are up to something.. But I do believe that the SO6P left some of his power inside Kurama.. There is no other explanation to why Naruto resembles him so much.. Some might say that Naruto represents the Sages body but all Senju represents his body.. Hashi did not look like him..
It's possible it may have little to do with "that" jutsu, and that part of my "prediction" is most likely wrong, but I still believe he left something in Kurama and the others beasts, which eventually may lead to Naruto gaining a power-up to fight the Juubi. It would also let us get some more knowledge of so6p, and it would only make sense. How else could he know that the time would come, where they would be led down the right path etc.

i kinda agree to this speculation

kishi is foreshadowing throughout the manga

- Obito , Madara the Sage of 6 paths

so this theory is not that far fetched
Exactly. Kishi is good at making us focus on a lot of other stuff, and suddenly, BAM, he brings in a surprise.
 

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Here's a scene...

Naruto: ALRIGHT YOU TWO BASTARDS I HAD ENOUGH!!!
Obito: What's that light?
Madara: Seems to be kind of girly!
Naruto: TASTE THE RAINBOW MOTHERF******
Madara, Obito and Juubi are defeated
Piccolo: WHY DIDN'T YOU DODGE!
 
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Rainbow Bijuu Rasendamaken

Here's a scene...

Naruto: ALRIGHT YOU TWO BASTARDS I HAD ENOUGH!!!
Obito: What's that light?
Madara: Seems to be kind of girly!
Naruto: TASTE THE RAINBOW MOTHERF******
Madara, Obito and Juubi are defeated
Piccolo: WHY DIDN'T YOU DODGE!
Haha Piccolo made laugh. rep for u, lol!
 

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i think that jutsu could be related to the seal
the first time naruto unlocked the kyuubi's yang chakra his seal resembled the sage's
when kurama befriended him and gave him more chakra which is the yang his seal resembled the sage's even more
 
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