The End All Debate on the SO6P

[Narutofan4203]

Excellent job. No arguments from me; you've convinced me bro

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thanks from all of us

 

[Lightbringer]

Doesn't one still need understanding of chakra to perform seals or even imbue special properties into weapons? I remember reading that through the sages understanding of chakra he was able to obtain the rinnegan. I believe it was jiraiya who said that, even though we still lacked info and that was the myth, but I think that's a plausible explanation also.

When you think about it the rinnegan itself works as a seal, it can absorb chakra, it can extract the soul out of all creatures, it can seal the soul with the king of hell or even resurrect them, you can summon animals, and also morph your body......that all sounds like something that can be done with separate seals.

Why could the uzumaki not learn jutsu if the sage taught everyone else, even though Uzuamki were experts in sealing and understanding chakra?

It might just be mere coincidence that those uzuamki you mentioned didn't have any unique jutsu.

Your theory could still very well be true, but I still would like to believe that the sage had the rinnegan before the juubi fight. Until they fully explain it in the manga, I choose to believe that the sage did have the eyes. As for being an uzuamki, I could care less honestly but it does seem possible.

 

[BlacLord™]

I stopped reading after you said the Uzumaki couldn't use Ninjutsu. Give me a manga scan or somekind of cutscene that says that. The Uzumaki were known to have a talent for Fuinjutsu, not that they couldn't use Ninjutsu, otherwise how could they engage in combat for defense/attack effectively? Also Karin can use Medical Ninjutsu and Mind's Eye of the Kagura, a ninjutsu.

And then there's the Uzumaki thing, facepalm. You remember when Rikudou Sennin churned out a couple of young'uns with a woman, they were THE ancestors to two clans, The Uchiha and the Senju. Which basically sums up that RS is a mix of the two, and the Uzumaki were only distant relatives of the Senju, so how do you manage to bring distant relatives that close to the centre?

Furthermore, the Juubi doesn't have the Rinnegan but something resembling it combined with the Sharingan. I somehow don't see the Sage waving his Shakujou around and wacking a seal on a beast that size. Besides, it's already been stated that he was the founder of the properties of chakra and consequently Ninjutsu, otherwise known as the Shinobi sect at that time. Chronologically, it's more logical for him to have done that, then subdue the beast which was causing havoc, with his new found knowledge.

 

[Narutofan4203]

I stopped reading after you said the Uzumaki couldn't use Ninjutsu. Give me a manga scan or somekind of cutscene that says that. The Uzumaki were known to have a talent for Fuinjutsu, not that they couldn't use Ninjutsu, otherwise how could they engage in combat for defense/attack effectively? Also Karin can use Medical Ninjutsu and Mind's Eye of the Kagura, a ninjutsu.

And then there's the Uzumaki thing, facepalm. You remember when Rikudou Sennin churned out a couple of young'uns with a woman, they were THE ancestors to two clans, The Uchiha and the Senju. Which basically sums up that RS is a mix of the two, and the Senju were only distant relatives of the Senju, so how do you manage to bring distant relatives that close to the centre?

Furthermore, the Juubi doesn't have the Rinnegan but something resembling it combined with the Sharingan. I somehow don't see the Sage waving his Shakujou around and wacking a seal on a beast that size. Besides, it's already been stated that he was the founder of the properties of chakra and consequently Ninjutsu, otherwise known as the Shinobi sect at that time. Chronologically, it's more logical for him to have done that, then subdue the beast which was causing havoc, with his new found knowledge.

His was better, but read mine and the others also

 

[Narutofan4203]

Doesn't one still need understanding of chakra to perform seals or even imbue special properties into weapons? I remember reading that through the sages understanding of chakra he was able to obtain the rinnegan. I believe it was jiraiya who said that, even though we still lacked info and that was the myth, but I think that's a plausible explanation also.

When you think about it the rinnegan itself works as a seal, it can absorb chakra, it can extract the soul out of all creatures, it can seal the soul with the king of hell or even resurrect them, you can summon animals, and also morph your body......that all sounds like something that can be done with separate seals.

Why could the uzumaki not learn jutsu if the sage taught everyone else, even though Uzuamki were experts in sealing and understanding chakra?

It might just be mere coincidence that those uzuamki you mentioned didn't have any unique jutsu.

Your theory could still very well be true, but I still would like to believe that the sage had the rinnegan before the juubi fight. Until they fully explain it in the manga, I choose to believe that the sage did have the eyes. As for being an uzuamki, I could care less honestly but it does seem possible.

There was no fight, it was a simple sealing.

 

[Tebows Youth Group]

For anyone STILL possibly reading. I added one last section "Moving Forward" if you so choose to read.

 

[dhaoracle]

This is going to be a detailed analysis of the SO6P and why first of all he was an Uzumaki, didn't possess the Rinnegan and couldnt use ninjutsu until after he beat the Juubi. I believe I have provided enough evidence to support these theories and there are virtually no holes. If I thought there were any holes, I would not have made the thread.

Let's begin....

Point Number 1-SO6P....The Uzumaki​

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In order to fully understand the point I am going to try to make, I first have to explain what I think to be true of the Uzumaki clan. A PURE Uzumaki CANNOT use ninjutsu. How many Pure Uzumaki do we know so far....?

Nagato

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Karin

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Kushina

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Hmm okay, lets see, lets see. What is similar about these three....?

1. The Red hair. We know the Uzumaki all have red hair. Check.

2. Their abilites.

Let's look at Kushina and Karin first, because as you all know, Nagato had something that made him a bit different. Something odd about them right? They don't seem to be able to use regular ninjutsu. Karin has incredible healing powers and is the best sensor we have seen thus far. In fact, her life force is so unique that people can suck on her arm to heal themselves...

Kushina is a tougher case to make because we have not really seen her in battle. But, from what we have seen, no ninjutsu. Only very powerful sealing techniques that she taught to Minato and like Karin, she has a very strong life force. Check ​

3. They are the perfect hosts.

Okay, got it. So, red hair. No ninjutsu. Strong life force. Sealing techniques. Perfect hosts.​

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What I assume to be the two arguments..Please read before you make these arguments!

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Now the point many of you are going to try to make is, "Ohhh but Nagato could use ninjutsu!" Yessss this is true, but only strengthens my argument about the SO6P. I think there is a very strong chance that without the Rinnegan, Nagato would have been just like Karin and Kushina. Strong bodied with healing and sealing powers. Why think any different? He is all of a sudden the only Uzumaki that can use ninjustu...I dont think so. In fact, he is a perfect example of what I think the SO6P became AFTER he defeated the Juubi, but I will get into that later.

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"Oh, oh Naruto could use ninjutsu, he's an Uzumaki?!" Yes, but not a pure Uzumaki. His ninjutsu abilities come from his dad's side...sorry:shrug:

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"Okay, but so what? Uzumaki's cant use ninjutsu, big deal? That doesn't mean the SO6P couldn't."​

Oh well thank you, everyone who is not going to believe me at first, allow me to segway to my next point.

Point 2- The Sage could not use Ninjustu and didnt possess the Rinnengan until AFTER the fight with the Juubi.​

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As we know the Sage is the father of ninjutsu. So as far as we know, no one could use ninjutsu in his time. So the questions that arise...​

1. When in his life could he use ninjutsu?

2. When did he "teach" everyone else?​

For the sake of my argument, let's assume you believe me in that the SO6P was an Uzumaki. And as I stated before, the Uzumaki can not use ninjutsu. That means there was a point in his life where something changed. It had to be something big...hmmm? Could it possibly be?

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Now, there is a reason I showed that specific picture. This is because it is the ONLY picture of the Sage before he defeated the Juubi. Why is this important? Well his back is turned, and we cannot see his eyes. We know the Juubi's eye actually looks like that as we have seen in 610 so the argument that the Sage's eyes are projecting onto the Juubi is void now. So, to all the people who would like to make the argument that the Sage had rinnengan during this fight let me ask you this.


My question:

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The Juubi obviously has the Rinnengan. So are you saying that it is more likely that both the Sage and the Juubi had the same eyes during this fight? Seems awfully coincidental. The Sage has the Rinnengan, and the Juubi just happens to have it too? Ehh, stick by that if you want. If you can find a picture of the sage BEFORE he faught the Juubi and he has Rinnengan I will say you are the greatest and admit you have a superior mind.

So, it seems like common sense now that the Sage didn't have those eyes until after he became the 10 tails Jinchuuriki.

All right, if he couldn't use ninjutsu how could he possibly defeat the Juubi? Well easy, go back in look at the picture. Notice anything? In his hands, you see it? That's right, the two objects. We all know the Sage possessed several very powerful objects. All of the objects the Silver n Gold brothers had, the sealing jar and we dont even know what that staff does he carries around. Something tells me it is by far the most powerful of the objects. What's so interesting about the objects? The all seemed to be based off sealing techniques. And who are the experts when it comes to sealing techniques, thats right....the Uzumaki.

I know I havent quite answered the two questions I asked, but I am about too, when I tie this all together

Now, I have laid the ground work. Time to do some convincing.​

Point 3- Tying this all together.​

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Point one ---> Uzumaki's cannot use ninjutsu. SO6P was an Uzumaki

Point two ----> Sage of Six Paths could not use ninjutsu, nor did he have Rinnengan until after he became 10 Tails Host.

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I am going to use Nagato as a point of reference for the SO6P for I believe he had everything the Sage had, besides the power of a Bijuu. It was shown Nagato had an affinity for all elements and could use the power of the Rinnegan through the six paths. We can all agree, these were powers granted by the Rinnegan for if Nagato didn't possess the Rinnengan, he could not use these abilities.​

Well, if the Rinnegan granted Nagato those powers, then would it not be safe to assume it granted the Sage those powers as well? And if, the Sage's eyes come from the Juubi, then can we not also assume the Sage had none of those powers until AFTER he beat the Juubi. One thing I think we can agree, whether you think the Sage had the Rinnengan or not, was that he did have these three things before the fight with the Juubi.

1. The weapons, this is obviouss, they exist, he had them. And remember, they are based on sealing techniques.

2. The powerful body- His body was able to handle being the Juubi's host.

3. Powerful sealing techniques-He sealed the Juubi within himself. Sealed his body in the moon. A very interesting page comes to mind when I think of this point here....

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So whatever Naruto did to the Kyuubi and it looks like a very powerful sealing technique, the Sage did it too.
What is interesting is how Naruto did it. He used the seal on his stomach to perform that seal on the Fox. We all know where that seal came from right? Yess, say it with me, Naruto's dad, who learned it from Naruto's mom, an Uzumaki. It is an Uzumaki seal, and the Sage of Six Paths knew how to use an Uzumaki seal.

Look at the list of the Sage's techniques pre-juubi and look at the Uzumaki's abilites list I layed at earlier. They are nearly the same except, point number one for the Uzumaki's.....the red hair.

The Uzumaki's

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1. The Red hair

2. Powerful Bodies, Powerful Life Force

3. Powerful Sealing techniques

The Sage, pre-Juubi fight. This is what we know he had.

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1. His weapons

2. Powerful Body

3. Powerful Sealing Techniques

Now this is cool, if some one can find me a picture of the pre juubi fight Sage that is not darkened then please present it and here's why. We know the Sage had white hair, or lighter hair I guess for we can never know till the manga is colored. But we know at least he had white hair towards the end of his life. The reason I believe he is always darkened when he is young is because yes, he had red hair. And his hair doesn't turn white until after he pulls the 10 tails from his body. Because what do we know about Uzumakis?

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When they stress their bodies their hair turns white. What would be more stressful on the body than pulling the 10 tails from you and splitting it into 9 beasts..?

So to my earlier questions:

1. When could the Sage use ninjutsu.

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Not until after he sealed the Juubi in himself and obtained the Rinnengan. Look at Nagato, when he got the Rinnengan he became an Uzumaki who could use a number of ninjutsu's, something we haven't seen from that clan.

2. When did he "teach" everyone how to use ninjutsu.

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Simple, he didn't. It was not until after his fight with the Juubi that people could use chakra the way they do in present time. The Juubi IS chakra. When the Sage tamed it, from then on the power of NATURE itself could be harnessed by man.

Point 4-Addendum​

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After reading the comments and input from everybody I decided to add an addendum to the thread. Thank you to all who debated this topic, whether you agreed or disagreed.​

But I want to turn your attention to these guys.

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Yep the Gold and Silver brothers. And what is so interesting about them? Well, glad you asked. Remember their fight with Darui. They were said to be the only ninja that could wield the Sage's weapons. Why is that? You could say that they had an enormous amount of chakra from eating the nine-tails stomach, you COULD say that, but look at this...

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Take the Raikage's words as you may, but remember, Kishi put that in the story, it holds merit. Why even have "A" say something like that if it turns out to be useless. So many of you believe in order to be related to the Sage one must be Uchiha or Senju. Right, okay, okay but then where does that leave us with these guys?

They certainly aren't Uchiha for they do not possess the eyes.

Are they Senju? Possibly but lets go back to their fight. What is interesting about that fight. Go back and read it, ill give you time.........

Notice it? Yesss, they do not use ninjutsu. Isn't that weird? Only use the ninja tools. They are blessed with strong bodies/life force, evidenced by their survival in the Kyuubi's stomach.

So people we know to be "distant relatives" to the Sage are the perfect specimens for wielding his tools and are really the only ones who can use them properly.

• Two brothers who dont use ninjutsu
• Said to be related to the Sage
• Have strong life force/ strong bodies
• And can use the Sage's tool

My point is unless you believe the Cloud Brothers are Senju than it is safe to assume that you do not have to be Senju or Uchiha to have ties to the Sage. And yes, I am saying what you are thinking I am saying, the Gold and Silver bros have Uzumaki heritage. Those tools were MADE for Uzumaki, it is so obvious.

Point 5: Moving Forward​

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All right, I have seen both sides of the argument pretty extensively, both have made valid points, at time it got pretty heated, but I think level heads prevailed. Anyway I wanted to add a couple things that have come to my attention on this topic.​

Soo we have seen how many Jinchuuriki? All of them now right? But, lets narrow it down to the ones we reallllyy know. We have seen...and I mean really seen, hell Ill even throw in Yugito.


Bee

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Gaara

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Naruto

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Yugito

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I tried to show all of them in some form of interaction with their Bijuu. So who doesn't belong? Well, I shouldnt say that, but I think you see what I am getting at. It's Naruto. We have seen multiple Jinchuuriki use a variety of Bijuu Powers and what is the difference here? Bijuu Mode. Have you ever asked yourself, why is Naruto the only one that can do this? It's strange isnt it? Well the more I look at it, the easier that question is to answer, he is an Uzumaki.

No other Jin has shown the ability to do this. Bee is a perfect host, yet he can't do it.

I know many of you are going to say, " Oh well its because of the Nine-Tails, not because of Naruto."

Well I say nay. I showed you the earlier picture of him sealing the fox. It is this new found "mode" that he does it with, it is not because of the Kyuubi's chakra he is able to use this power, but because of how HIS blood reacts to the power.

In conclusion:

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That power we have already seen is DIRECTLY related to the Sage, so the question becomes, how does Naruto have it? Well, if you believe everything I have been saying it is obvious, the Sage was an Uzumaki and the Uzumaki are the ONLY people that can go into bijuu mode like Naruto did. He basically looks like the Sage now.

I realize this is a very long post and I know I am going to get a bunch of "didn't read"'s. Thats fine, if you dont think you can put your big boy pants on and read the whole thing just read point 3, it kind of summarizes. Refer back to points 1 and 2 if you arent getting it. Thank you to all who read it, I hope it makes sense and whether you agree or disagree I look forward to hearing your comments.

It is so beautiful and makes soo much sense.. Thank You..!!!

And if anyone has anything to say I will definitely back ya up..!!!

 

[Lightbringer]

There was no fight, it was a simple sealing.

There's no proof to back that statement up and I doubt it was that simple.....it's the juubi, the progenitor of all chakra. The akatsuki needed to defeat the bijuu first before sealing them. Even though the akatsuki may not have been grand sealers, we have yet to see anyone seal anything without battling it first. Even Hashi needed to restrain the kyuubi with the wood dragon before Mito could seal it.

 

[Tebows Youth Group]

Doesn't one still need understanding of chakra to perform seals or even imbue special properties into weapons? I remember reading that through the sages understanding of chakra he was able to obtain the rinnegan. I believe it was jiraiya who said that, even though we still lacked info and that was the myth, but I think that's a plausible explanation also.

When you think about it the rinnegan itself works as a seal, it can absorb chakra, it can extract the soul out of all creatures, it can seal the soul with the king of hell or even resurrect them, you can summon animals, and also morph your body......that all sounds like something that can be done with separate seals.

Why could the uzumaki not learn jutsu if the sage taught everyone else, even though Uzuamki were experts in sealing and understanding chakra?

It might just be mere coincidence that those uzuamki you mentioned didn't have any unique jutsu.

Your theory could still very well be true, but I still would like to believe that the sage had the rinnegan before the juubi fight. Until they fully explain it in the manga, I choose to believe that the sage did have the eyes. As for being an uzuamki, I could care less honestly but it does seem possible.

Thank you for your insight. There is a reason they never learned (or simply couldnt) and I believe I covered it. But yes, I never said they didnt have an understanding of chakra, just that they arent able to use things like common bunshin or any elemental techniques. Look at the sages fan. The rinnengan is said to give the user all elements, why even have the fan? Simple, because he couldnt use elemental jutsu before he sealed the Juubi.

 

[TheBrightSide]

For anyone STILL possibly reading. I added one last section "Moving Forward" if you so choose to read.

Damn dude every section you add makes this thread better and better. Id rep you again if i could.

 

[Lightbringer]

Thank you for your insight. There is a reason they never learned (or simply couldnt) and I believe I covered it. But yes, I never said they didnt have an understanding of chakra, just that they arent able to use things like common bunshin or any elemental techniques. Look at the sages fan. The rinnengan is said to give the user all elements, why even have the fan? Simple, because he couldnt use elemental jutsu before he sealed the Juubi.

But doesn't Karin know medical ninjutsu?

Even still how would a clan that know the understanding of chakra not be able to perform ninjutsu? The sage taught even regular people ninjutsu, which means that pretty much anyone could learn it. So why not uzamaki?

Ninjutsu uses seals and is the shaping of the chakra, controlling its form, and changing physical properties. It's not something that one needs a bloodline to do, just an understanding.

So it's possible that the uzumaki didn't know how to do that until the sage came along. But I think the sage figured it out fully and that's how he obtained the rinnegan, by mastering chakra itself.

 

[BlacLord™]

No reply to my post...

 

[ComedyDaggers]

Re: The Uchiha and The Senju have descended from an Uzumaki with Rinnegan+Juubi's cha

So6p: From Family who was good at sealing, figures out secrets of chakra and Jutsu and masters his FAMILIES Fuinjutsu, spreads it
Juubi: Split some of his yang chakra into So6p's family that would soon be uzumaki clan, explains why their body forces are so strong and they are good at fuinjutsu
So6p: Uses Creation of All Things to make two sons, The older with eyes that originated from juubi, making them distantly related to Juubi, splits his own Body into Senju Ancestor, making them distantly related to So6p's family that would soon to be known as uzumaki
Sons: Have Children
Soon after: So6p's family studies the secrets of chakra and the real truth of Fuinjutsu, the family turns into a clan, Uzumaki Clan
Hopefully, this will clear things up for those who are confused.

I think the SO6P had his sons normally maybe and the sons might have just inherited the eyes and body while the SO6P still had the juubi in him.

 

[Tebows Youth Group]

I believe your thread is great. Even though the sage is Uzumaki, is something that is shared by many, your thread has great backup imo. However, you are wrong about one thing.Tsunade mentioned how Kushina her Ninjutsu style is similar to Naruto.This means Uzumaki are able to use ninjutsu.
I find it logical as well that the sage battled the Juubi without ninjutsu, but as time passed by through the ages, people were taught about ninjutsu and so were the Uzumaki.

Something else.
What is especially interesting, is that the gold and silver brothers their headbands are over their eyebrows. This means we cannot see if they are red. They have these indian like headresses over their hair as well, which doesnt allow us to see their hair color either .

This is a point some one brought up wayy earlier in this thread. Tsunade said personality and techniques, not jutsu, she could have meant a number of things.

But I will ask you the same thing I asked the person who brought this up earlier. If you believe that she meant jutsu then tell me, which Jutsu was she referring too?

Multiple Kage Bunshin?- Well no we have never seen any evidence she could use any kage bunshin, certainly not Multiple Kage Bunshin like Naruto specifaclly uses. And if you say, "well maybe she could use Kage Bunshin, just not multiple like Naruto" then okay, but it is not something you say "Oh they are so similar, they can both make a shadow clone" you see what I mean?

Rasengan?- Well, no. We know for a fact Jiraya, Kakashi and Minato are the only ones able to use Rasengan before Naruto. And even if she could, if you remember during that conversation they were comparing Naruto to his mom and dad. His dad could use Rasengan, his "jutsu" reflect is father

Sage Mode?- Well noo, in fact Naruto didnt even have sage mode at the time of this conversation

So, I saw this point earlier and I ask you the same thing. What "jutsu" does Naruto use that would have been similar to anything Kushina did.

She merely meant his techniques.

 

[Sexy Steel]

After becoming the Juubi's jinchuuriki with the help of his sealing powers and weapons, he obtained the Rinnegan.

Using the Rinnegan's powers, the SO6P separated the Juubi's chakra from its vessel, sealing the latter away with his Über Juubi chakra powered Chibaku Tensei, which became the moon.

He made the Juubi's chakra entirely his own, and while also having the Rinnegan, the Sage went on to have 2 sons.

The younger was born with the Sage's life force and powerful body resulting from having the Juubi's chakra.

The older was born with the Sage's eyes and powerful chakra.


Hope this makes sense...

@ bold explain to me how did the s06p wins against tbb, chubaku tensei, shinra tensei and all other rennigan tech just by using sealing jutsu. just so you know the jubbi also posses sealing techs because he is the gedo mazou and can seal things. (going by your logic that is )

 

[Tebows Youth Group]

No reply to my post...

When all the threads got mashed together lost track of where I was. Could you quote it?

 

[BlacLord™]

When all the threads got mashed together lost track of where I was. Could you quote it?

I stopped reading after you said the Uzumaki couldn't use Ninjutsu. Give me a manga scan or somekind of cutscene that says that. The Uzumaki were known to have a talent for Fuinjutsu, not that they couldn't use Ninjutsu, otherwise how could they engage in combat for defense/attack effectively? Also Karin can use Medical Ninjutsu and Mind's Eye of the Kagura, a ninjutsu.

And then there's the Uzumaki thing, facepalm. You remember when Rikudou Sennin churned out a couple of young'uns with a woman, they were THE ancestors to two clans, The Uchiha and the Senju. Which basically sums up that RS is a mix of the two, and the Uzumaki were only distant relatives of the Senju, so how do you manage to bring distant relatives that close to the centre?

Furthermore, the Juubi doesn't have the Rinnegan but something resembling it combined with the Sharingan. I somehow don't see the Sage waving his Shakujou around and wacking a seal on a beast that size. Besides, it's already been stated that he was the founder of the properties of chakra and consequently Ninjutsu, otherwise known as the Shinobi sect at that time. Chronologically, it's more logical for him to have done that, then subdue the beast which was causing havoc, with his new found knowledge.

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[Meowazziel]

She merely meant his techniques.

What kind of techniques?

Taijutsu techniques? Its not like Naruto has some specific taijutsu style except for frog kata (which i assume Kushina doesnt have).
Genjutsu techniques? Naruto doesnt have such techniques, except when relying on ma and pa frog.
Sealing techniques? Apart from the one on his stomache, Naruto doesnt have any. This is not what Tsunade refers to either.
Ninjutsu techniques? Probably this one. Heck even Neji shows the ability to use ninjutsu (replacement technique for example).
How did Kushina graduate the academy without Ninjutsu? I bet there was no Guy sensei, for her back than.

I wouldnt be surprised if she can do clones as well.
We might see her use some in the road to ninja movie.
and btw, Mito has a Diamond on her forehead like Tsunade and that Diamond is a ninjutsu.

Arrg, I want to see the hair color of the gold and silver brothers now xd.
Damm you kishi, moving their headbands over their eyebrows (which are probably red) and covering their hair with headresses .

 

[KingHashirama]

Oh so Kishimoto should just spoil everything about the Sage already? How many people knew Tobi was Obito, and how many times did the manga call Tobi, Madara?

You're reading with your eyes shut. I hope you can understand that metaphor.

I hope you do understand english. Where it states Senju and Uchiha descend from the Sage. And that Nagato is from the Senju linage. In the eyes of obito.. Naruto and Nagato were looked as Senju. O-o.

Key word SENJU. Sorry but Senju and Uchiha are the main ones here. And also.. they make the "prefect jinchuriki".. hmm..That'd be Killer B. You know the guy who was the FIRST PERFECT Jinchuriki in Naruto. O-o. Yea. Mhm.


And if your talking about the Juubi's eye.. Its a sharingan. A 3 tomoe Sharingan also has that line. So I suppose Sharingan is the little version of Rinnegan? lmao. uh no. Your theory is a fail. You have no back up. Just speculations on things that don't even make sense. And especially when Naruto is being compared to a SENJU (Hashirama)... you try to make the Uzumaki something hard.

Only reason Nagato got the rinnegan from Madara is because of his Senju linage.

Uzumaki were experts in seals.. so what? Nara clan specializes in Shadow techs... thats the clan specialty. But saying they were EQUAL to Uchiha and Senju is BS. And also.... Is that why they got defeated? .. lmao.

 

[Tebows Youth Group]

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I have explained many many many times already about Karin. That seems to be the point everyone wants to bring up and I have already explained taht, please go back and look.

It has never said in the manga that the Uzumaki and the descendants of the Senju only that the are distant relatives. This supports my theory.

The Juubi has the Rinnengan and the Sharingan combined. It is both eyes in one eye. Refer to "question" in point 1, it is unlikely the Sage had Rinnengan before he faught the Juubi. It is undeniable that the Juubi didnt have at least some form of the Rinnengan when he faught teh sage. Look at his eye, the ripple patteren is there.