Madara having so much trouble against Naruto.

[Mgumbo]

Madara has been holding back because he wants to test out his new Juubi on Naruto and co.
I thought that was inferred from this last manga? X_x

Just my thoughts. =]

 

[saw2097]

People kill me with this type of stuff. It's called plot for a reason. Why do you think the 9tails can instantly restore all of your chakara if you are near him? Its just a plot device to keep Kakashi and Gai in the fight. This pretty much also means that Naruto will never run out of chakara because of this.

Madara easily has the tools to stump out Naruto but Madara's goal is not to hurt Naruto but to just capture and bind him so he can remove the 9tails from his body. He has zero intentions to kill Naruto or Bee so hes walking on eggshells with them. Its for the same reason why Obito is using no Rinnegan abilities even though Madara stated that since Obito carries the combine power of the Hashirama and his own Uchiha powers then he should be able to use the Rinnegan. This is funny because Kakashi said to Tobi that he wasn't using the Rinnegan because he was using most of his chakara to control the tailed beast and Tobi agreed with him. So why isn't he using the Rinnegan now when all the tailed beast are back within the Mazou? It's a simple plot device and Kishi is becoming a bad writer for stuff like this, I can understand the Madara thing though. Kishi is just toning down what these two can do for the sake of plot. If Madara really wanted them out of here then he would go full force on the 9 and 8 tails making mokuton forests and dropping meteors and making wood clones and so forth.

By the exact same arguement Madara only has his abilities because of plot. Kishi makes all the decisions and gives all the power ups not just for the good guys but also the bad guys. Madara beat the five Kage's because of plot, the same plot that will be his downfall.

 

[Zato]

By the exact same arguement Madara only has his abilities because of plot. Kishi makes all the decisions and gives all the power ups not just for the good guys but also the bad guys. Madara beat the five Kage's because of plot, the same plot that will be his downfall.

That is because Madara is the final boss. Madara has the powers(Hashirama) he has now because Orochimaru was using Madara as a hypothesis on how to gain the Rinnegan(even though he would have had the Rinnegan if Oro didn't add Hashirama's powers to him). Kabuto pretty much hints to this after Madara revealed he had the Rinnegan. But people want to claim that Naruto is on Madara's level is just insane. All Naruto has is the 9tails power and SM. The 9tails states himself that Hashirama and Madara's power were stronger then his own. He stated this in the manga himself. Madara vs the 5 kages Madara said out of his own mouth multiple times that he was only testing out his abilities and it proved that he was doing just that. Madara could have wiped them out a long time ago if he really wanted to and as the fight drew out we can come to that conclusion. The fight vs the 5 kages focused A LOT on Hashirama's powers and the answer for that is simple.

 

[B00m]

I still don't understand why Madara just doesn't wipe out the whole battlefield, the tailed beasts would be released then he could just deal with them without their hosts. Assuming that would be easier. I mean if a Infinite Genjutsu dream world is his goal he shouldn't give a crap about anything and destroy it all. Multiple Susanoos/wood clones, meteors, crazy fire techs, Perfect Susanoo, even the "all powerful/way overhyped" Jubi. He has more than enough fire power to do what he pleases but the series is called Naruto so he's been dumbed down from what we have seen earlier, and Kurama finally starts to be useful rather than being completely self centered.

 

[Midday]

There's no point in Ps considering Naruto tanked a Jubi laser without too many problems, I highly doubt Ps slash > Jubi laser. Madara's been using the best techniques against Naruto which is mokuton, which Naruto has already stopped on more than one occasion. Madara and Obito are clearly not strong enough to take out Naruto, Guy, Kakashi and Bee absolutely no difficulty like people seem to believe Naruto alone has provided a challenge.

 

[Hipster Madara]

Madara is either holding back or being KO'd by PNJ currently. xd

 

[BladerItachi]

I agree, but you have to understand the fact that Madara is trying to capture Naruto and Bee and not kill like he wanted against Kages so maybe he isn't using his best techs

 

[Maziasz1981]

Madara is having trouble because Naruto has the will of fire that why.

 

[saw2097]

I agree, but you have to understand the fact that Madara is trying to capture Naruto and Bee and not kill like he wanted against Kages so maybe he isn't using his best techs

This is Madara, he is a legend why would he need to use his best techs to capture a kid. The very fact that Naruto hasn't been captured yet is a embarresement for someone like Madara.

 

[slaton02]

This is Madara, he is a legend why would he need to use his best techs to capture a kid. The very fact that Naruto hasn't been captured yet is a embarresement for someone like Madara.

Well you have Guy and Kakashi backing him up. If they were not there Obito already has Naruto captured. Remember they saved Naruto a few times and Madara has to focus on 3 other people as well, not just Naruto. If Madara thought he was gonna rape Guy and Kakashi and capture Naruto and Bee with ease he need a life lesson cause tbh he had trouble with the Kages when the fighting was shown. It was only off screen when Madara beat them which seem alittle BS to me.

 

[B00m]

There's no point in Ps considering Naruto tanked a Jubi laser without too many problems, I highly doubt Ps slash > Jubi laser. Madara's been using the best techniques against Naruto which is mokuton, which Naruto has already stopped on more than one occasion. Madara and Obito are clearly not strong enough to take out Naruto, Guy, Kakashi and Bee absolutely no difficulty like people seem to believe Naruto alone has provided a challenge.

Solid points, I forget about the OP that is Naruto. Like PS, TBB can destroy mountains too, and Naruto has been shown to deflect 6 TBB at once. It's crazy to compare this to the Chunin exams, from actually physical techniques to energy bombs that destroy large masses of land.

 

[NoahsArk]

I don't see how Madara is "not holding back" when he clearly is unless he's changed since releasing himself from the Edo Tensei. If he wanted to capture the tailed beasts, he would've made multiple clones and had them all use Susanoo just like he did to the Kage. Whatever he's doing now isn't all he has, he can definitely put up a better fight.

Well seeing as he no longer has unlimited chakra from the Edo Tensei, regardless of how much chakra he had to begin with, summoning 6 complete clones all using Susano'o, and than attempting to capture both Naruto AND Bee, with Might Guy helping....

Does that give you a good explanation?

 

[NoahsArk]

Gawd knows how much power Naruto is holding back, especially if Bee turns around and pulls a 'Chou Mazou - Great Ape Style' on 10-Tails o___0

 

[saw2097]

Well you have Guy and Kakashi backing him up. If they were not there Obito already has Naruto captured. Remember they saved Naruto a few times and Madara has to focus on 3 other people as well, not just Naruto. If Madara thought he was gonna rape Guy and Kakashi and capture Naruto and Bee with ease he need a life lesson cause tbh he had trouble with the Kages when the fighting was shown. It was only off screen when Madara beat them which seem alittle BS to me.

They saved Naruto from Obito not Madara. The fight with Madara was very short and not much was shown. I know that Madara is up against Kakashi and Might Guy, but with all his power and the fact that he is capable of so many feats. And he is an edo with near limitless power. Yet a kid and his friends managed to avoid capture.

Just considering his legend and that he failed to catch a teenager would be a bit embarressing to Madara.

Plus Kakashi and Might Guy were already exhauseted from there fight with Obito. I know that they aren't beating Madara just that this has got to be a blow to his ego.

 

[BEASTLY NARUTO]

Ahahahaha i m happy some people now see what i was trying to proof in a thread a made bout madara been overrated.
Madara has used some op attacks on naruto it didn't work.
Some thing is also strange since madara got out of edo he has shown some of what he did when he is in edo tensi what if he got nothing more under his sleaves vice versa.
Some guy said why would madara use his best techs on a kid like naruto excuse me are you implying that madara isn't serious bout capturing naruto and bee?
Ten tails>all madara's tech and its fighting naruto now are saying ten tail is a small tech madara made to fight naruto how bout the makuton is it a small tech too?
Gosh! When will some tards accept that madara is having a difficult time capturing em.
Some folks said had it been kakashi was not there obito would have captured naruto lol kishi is a person like you he can find another way for naruto to survive had it been kakashi was not in the picture he mada everybody in the play some you as a listener just can't change any thing.
Ahahahaha jealous jealous huh? You will die young if you keep on getting angry at naruto's progress looooooooool

 

[Yui Kotegawa]

He's not going all out dude -_-

Naruto has to be captured alive so why on earth would he go PS?

 

[NoahsArk]

He's not going all out dude -_-

Naruto has to be captured alive so why on earth would he go PS?

Again, he doesn't have unlimited Chakra anymore. Compared to the Kage fight, when he had no limit, he is most certainly going all out.

 

[TheHokage]

I like how people type stuff like Madara owns Naruto easily when it's not like Madara is actually going to win and go through with his plans and if you do actually believe that it's pure fanboyism.

Naruto has shown he is capable of holding off both Obito and Madara also, people who say that Madara should be using the Rinnegan and PS and he would win easily...why do you think that, Naruto has experience in fighting a Rinnegan, possible more than anyone else, as it's been stated a Bijuu=PS so fail and that meteor jutsu is no match for a TBB.

Another fact is why would Madara use all these techniques he has when using wood techniques is the most effective against Naruto since it absorbs Bijuu chakra.

Also when you think about it Madara has no reason to keep Naruto alive since the Juubi is already here.

So the question is, is he holding back...who knows Madara has stated both he was going easy and that he's taking this serious.

 

[MrSimple]

No, he hasn't any... It's just that plot I'm tired of... Obito become fodder, suddenly he lost any clue of what to do... And Madara is bored as always since the start of this war. The only guy he fight for real was Hashi even so the manga said his goal wasn't to win vs Hashi but w/e... He's way too calm, and he could use lots of jutsu to finish them off and he's focused at Juubi so we might won't see his full potential I presume...

 

[slaton02]

They saved Naruto from Obito not Madara. The fight with Madara was very short and not much was shown. I know that Madara is up against Kakashi and Might Guy, but with all his power and the fact that he is capable of so many feats. And he is an edo with near limitless power. Yet a kid and his friends managed to avoid capture.

Just considering his legend and that he failed to catch a teenager would be a bit embarressing to Madara.

Plus Kakashi and Might Guy were already exhauseted from there fight with Obito. I know that they aren't beating Madara just that this has got to be a blow to his ego.

Well I think people overestimated Madara and underestimated Guy,Kakashi,Bee,and Naruto. I'm not surprised he is have trouble but it is true he hasn't show everything to them yet and he is fighting to capture. It maybe be alittle plot idk but what I hate is when someone gets owned it not shown. The kages not shown, remember when Naruto was all bloody? not shown, Might Guy was all blody not shown how, wtf happen?