Kakashi is = to jiraiya

[Bogard]

Boggie what's Kakashi goin to do in this situation? We already know the user can hide in Gamabunta mouth since he ate one pain body and Naruto killed it.

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Well first of all, summoning huge toads like this takes a great amount of chakra. Just summoning one is already a feat since even Naruto needed Kyubi's chakra in part1 to be able to do so. So it's highly unlikely that Jiraya will even summon 3of them at once, unless he wants to waste chakra that quickly in the fight. It's not even In-Character for him to do so. Jiraya usually summons only 1boss summon in his fights, and he rarely uses even Gamabunta because he knows he doesn't control this summon very well like he admitted himself in part1

Secondly, why would he hide in his summon to begin with? What does he fear to hide in his summon? Does he has even knowledge on kamui? Also you forget to mention the scenario on this picture. Deva only wants to capture Naruto, so he doesn't care about the summons at that moment, and it's why he even ended in that situation. And even in that situation, he easily dodged them on the picture after

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So i don't see how it would be difficult for Kakashi to dodge them, especially for someone who was fighting even multiple tailed beast along with Gai. Even if smh he could not dodge(highly unlikely), he still has his ninjutsu. With hiding mole technique, it's easy for him to hide underground and travel to catch his opponents, with his new kamui feats, he can teleport himself/objects, he can even warp Bijuus like we've seen in latest chapters. He has shown more proficiency with his dojutsu techniques and he doesn't even hesitate anymore to ressort to them

 

[Champ]

Well first of all, summoning huge toads like this takes a great amount of chakra. Just summoning one is already a feat since even Naruto needed Kyubi's chakra in part1 to be able to do so. So it's highly unlikely that Jiraya will even summon 3of them at once, unless he wants to waste chakra that quickly in the fight. It's not even In-Character for him to do so. Jiraya usually summons only 1boss summon in his fights, and he rarely uses even Gamabunta because he knows he doesn't control this summon very well like he admitted himself in part1

Secondly, why would he hide in his summon to begin with? What does he fear to hide in his summon? Does he has even knowledge on kamui? Also you forget to mention the scenario on this picture. Deva only wants to capture Naruto, so he doesn't care about the summons at that moment, and it's why he even ended in that situation. And even in that situation, he easily dodged them on the picture after

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So i don't see how it would be difficult for Kakashi to dodge them, especially for someone who was fighting even multiple tailed beast along with Gai. Even if smh he could not dodge(highly unlikely), he still has his ninjutsu. With hiding mole technique, it's easy for him to hide underground and travel to catch his opponents, with his new kamui feats, he can teleport himself/objects, he can even warp Bijuus like we've seen in latest chapters. He has shown more proficiency with his dojutsu techniques and he doesn't even hesitate anymore to ressort to them

Yea cause it took all of Naruto chakra to summon them during his fight with pain, every serious fight we seen Jiraiya use his Toads, no reason he won't in this one. Same can be said about Kakashi, wasn't he dead when Naruto used all five summoning? so how will he know about frog song? I think you tryin to take away Jiraiya feats, so Kakashi can win. Dodgin the Boss summoning isn't the problem, it's killing them. Haha you say Kakashi has no problem resorting to kamui cause it was the only way for Naruto to hit Obito. Warped a Bijuu with Kurama's chakra, he's not here to help. let's say there is no summonings, and Kakashi kumai's, Jiraiya. He thinks he won, only to find out that was a clone, then he gets trapped in swamp underworld, then killed by Big ball rasengan.

 

[KidGamer65]

Jiraiya is still stronger than Kakashi.

 

[JIRAIYA perv]

the title itself is an insult to the perv ..... they are not on the same level. kakashi needs a lot more than kamui to be jiraiya's equal U_U

 

[Paintachi]

we already know that youre a big kakashi hater ... how can jiraya defend himself against a hachibi sized kamui
kamui gg >>> your favorite character

I know kakashi gotten stronger maybe as strong as jiraiya if not under it.

But seriously u guys give kakashi to much credit for his kamui only, back there when he had'n managed it sick itachi/kisame was trolling kakashi,guy,kurenei and asuma.

If Itachi said he would end a stalemate against Jiraiya(which i don't believe i think he lied, ) but if its true why should kakashi now be the one only with kamui to surpass jiraiya?

I mean kakashi didn meet yet amaterasu,tsukyomi,susanoo with 2 legendary weapons yet, well he did tasted tsukyomi but itachi doesn hurt konoha ninja's after all he sacrificed his clan for it.

 

[oOYellow FlashOo]

it would be a hell of a fight but i see kakashi winning this one with high difficulty though.jman would have to use sage mode if he wants to win.

 

[Bogard]

Yea cause it took all of Naruto chakra to summon them during his fight with pain,

Naruto is not the one who summoned them. It's Ma, who was around the village at that time

every serious fight we seen Jiraiya use his Toads, no reason he won't in this one.

I never said he won't use summoning. Don't take words in my mouth. He will, but what i'm saying is that it's not In-Character for him to use multiple summons like you say. He only use one boss summon per fight, unless you can prove me otherwise?

Same can be said about Kakashi, wasn't he dead when Naruto used all five summoning?

When did Naruto used 5summoning?

so how will he know about frog song? I think you tryin to take away Jiraiya feats, so Kakashi can win. Dodgin the Boss summoning isn't the problem, it's killing them.

Well, i was only talking about that context where you have shown that picture. If you mean killing them, i don't think that summons are immune to raiden that was even able to cut thru multiple V2 shrouds with ease(something that not even orochimaru's kusanagi could)

Concerning frog song, of course, Kakashi doesn't know it, but Jiraya can only use it in SM, and it takes time for him to even enter SM

Haha you say Kakashi has no problem resorting to kamui cause it was the only way for Naruto to hit Obito. Warped a Bijuu with Kurama's chakra, he's not here to help.

Like i've said, i don't think it's possible to fill a barrel of 1l with 2liters of water, so i don't see where the fact Kurama gave him chakra has a greatful meaning here, since i don't think Kakashi could contain more chakra than his body is usually capable of

let's say there is no summonings, and Kakashi kumai's, Jiraiya. He thinks he won, only to find out that was a clone, then he gets trapped in swamp underworld, then killed by Big ball rasengan.

Problem is that Kakashi is a better clone user than Jiraya, so it's the contrary that will most likely happen. I doubt i've even seen Jiraya use a clone technique except in his fight against Pain. Sharingan helps to predict movements, so it would even be difficult for Jiraya to pull it of while in battle. His only chance is to find a way to use handseals out of Sharingan's vision

 

[Champ]

Naruto is not the one who summoned them. It's Ma, who was around the village at that time

So Ma has more chakra than Jiraiya, I didn't know that.

I never said he won't use summoning. Don't take words in my mouth. He will, but what i'm saying is that it's not In-Character for him to use multiple summons like you say. He only use one boss summon per fight, unless you can prove me otherwise?

I think you mean don't put words in your mouth? Is this not a hypothetical fight were creatin here boggie, were givin the characters there feats. You clam Kakashi resorts to Kamui fight away. Though this whole war, against the edo, jin, he only used Kamui against Obito, why? Cause it was the perfect counter to Obito's

When did Naruto used 5summoning?

The three boss summoning in that scan, I showed you fightin Deva, don't forget Ma and Pa. That's five summonings.

Well, i was only talking about that context where you have shown that picture. If you mean killing them, i don't think that summons are immune to raiden that was even able to cut thru multiple V2 shrouds with ease(something that not even orochimaru's kusanagi could)

Toad can jump high you know, and dodge Kakashi lightning chain. Though once Jiraiya and Gamabunta jump, Jiraiya can launch his fire his gambunta launches his oil and roast Kakashi.

Concerning frog song, of course, Kakashi doesn't know it, but Jiraya can only use it in SM, and it takes time for him to even enter SM

Wah?? He's doesn't need sage mode Ma & Pa use frog song on pains animals.

Like i've said, i don't think it's possible to fill a barrel of 1l with 2liters of water, so i don't see where the fact Kurama gave him chakra has a greatful meaning here, since i don't think Kakashi could contain more chakra than his body is usually capable of

This is Naruto how is it possible to shoot fire out your eyes? Just like Tsunade gave Onoki chakra for that massive Jinton, Kurama who has more chakra than her gave Kakashi his chakra, he even said he should have no problem uses Kamui. I know so who's chakra is in Kakashi's body right now? I know Kurama.

Problem is that Kakashi is a better clone user than Jiraya, so it's the contrary that will most likely happen. I doubt i've even seen Jiraya use a clone technique except in his fight against Pain. Sharingan helps to predict movements, so it would even be difficult for Jiraya to pull it of while in battle. His only chance is to find a way to use handseals out of Sharingan's vision

What will Kakashi clones do to him while he's trapped in swamp underworld? We seen Kakashi do that water dragon one time, but I've seen you bring that up. Who cares if Kakashi sees it, if both of them are attacking him full speed with big ball rasengan, what will he do? Go underground and trap himself in swamp underworld.

 

[Bogard]

So Ma has more chakra than Jiraiya, I didn't know that.

Ma is a sennin, which means she has natural energy flowing in her, natural energy being unlimited, so it's normal she has more chakra than base Jiraya

I think you mean don't put words in your mouth? Is this not a hypothetical fight were creatin here boggie, were givin the characters there feats. You clam Kakashi resorts to Kamui fight away. Though this whole war, against the edo, jin, he only used Kamui against Obito, why? Cause it was the perfect counter to Obito's

Yeah it was a typo Well, i usually give only in-characters move when i try to debate. If i begin to create any hypothetical fight i want, then i would have easily said "Hachibi sized Kamui, GG", but it's not what i want here

The three boss summoning in that scan, I showed you fightin Deva, don't forget Ma and Pa. That's five summonings.

And like i've said, it's Naruto who summoned them, but Ma. Ma was already around the village at that moment, and when she saw how Konoha was destroyed, she immediately summoned all of them

Wah?? He's doesn't need sage mode Ma & Pa use frog song on pains animals.

Ok, but it seems that it takes time for Jiraya to even summon them

This is Naruto how is it possible to shoot fire out your eyes? Just like Tsunade gave Onoki chakra for that massive Jinton, Kurama who has more chakra than her gave Kakashi his chakra, he even said he should have no problem uses Kamui. I know so who's chakra is in Kakashi's body right now? I know Kurama.

The fact it's Naruto doesn't mean we must forget logic. Kakashi never mentioned he has more chakra than usual or something. And what do you mean by Kurama saying that he could use kamui without problems? What you say it's as if i was saying that Sasuke was only able to use MS techniques that much against Danzo because he had chakra from all kages, plus their bodyguards

What will Kakashi clones do to him while he's trapped in swamp underworld? We seen Kakashi do that water dragon one time, but I've seen you bring that up. Who cares if Kakashi sees it, if both of them are attacking him full speed with big ball rasengan, what will he do? Go underground and trap himself in swamp underworld.

But water dragon technique is one of Kakashi's technique, so why don't i bring that up? Also, what makes you think Jiraya will even realise he is fighting a clone? Also Raiton > doton. He could easily neutralise the swamp underworld with raiton affinity. Also, i think you don't really understand how hiding mole technique works, so i invite you to read this:

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[Champ]

Ma is a sennin, which means she has natural energy flowing in her, natural energy being unlimited, so it's normal she has more chakra than base Jiraya

I don't think we've ever seen Jiraiya tire out in a fight, so he has high chakra. I believe he has a 5 and Tsunade has a four so if we go by the databook he has more chakra than her, so I don't see him gettin exhausted summoning his Boss toads.

Yeah it was a typo Well, i usually give only in-characters move when i try to debate. If i begin to create any hypothetical fight i want, then i would have easily said "Hachibi sized Kamui, GG", but it's not what i want here

Yea and I would've just said frog song gg

And like i've said, it's Naruto who summoned them, but Ma. Ma was already around the village at that moment, and when she saw how Konoha was destroyed, she immediately summoned all of them

Jiraiya has a contract with them, you act like they not gonna wanna help him out in a fight.

Ok, but it seems that it takes time for Jiraya to even summon them

Ma & Pa, the Boss summoning will be there in a instant, just like when Sasuke summoned Manda.

The fact it's Naruto doesn't mean we must forget logic. Kakashi never mentioned he has more chakra than usual or something. And what do you mean by Kurama saying that he could use kamui without problems? What you say it's as if i was saying that Sasuke was only able to use MS techniques that much against Danzo because he had chakra from all kages, plus their bodyguards

Well that was their chakra in his body right. What did he do after he got their chakra, I think he was still injured, but was able to use Susano'o hand to break the wall from Mei and escape, but only to almost be killed by Onoki. Obito saved him, but there chakra wasn't enough to fully heal him. With Tsunade chakra Onoki was able to produce a much larger Jinton. Same with Kakashi, with Kurama's chakra he was able to warp a much larger being

What makes you think Jiraya will even realise he is fighting a clone? Also Raiton > doton. He could easily neutralise the swamp underworld with raiton affinity. Also, i think you don't really understand how hiding mole technique works, so i invite you to read this:

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Once Jiraiya wraps his hair around Kakashi, he can turn his hair to spike so he'll know. I've never seen Kakashi use Raiton on his legs, which would be needed to escape the swamped. I see no reason why if Kakashi goes underground, Jiraiya can't turn the ground into a swamp, trapping him.

 

[Minator93]

I hate to say this but Kakashi > Jiraya

 

[Bogard]

I don't think we've ever seen Jiraiya tire out in a fight, so he has high chakra. I believe he has a 5 and Tsunade has a four so if we go by the databook he has more chakra than her, so I don't see him gettin exhausted summoning his Boss toads.

I know Jiraya has high chakra reserve, but Ma still has more than him since she has natural chakra energy flowing in her which is unlimited. Also, i'm not saying he would get tired from summoning them. What i'm saying is that it's not in-character for him to summon all those toads, and the reason for this is probably because it could be a waste of chakra especially if we talk about a long battle(since summoning just one of them already takes a huge amount), so not sure Jiraya would really want to waste all that chakra from the start. If he is in SM it's another story though

Yea and I would've just said frog song gg

But frog song takes more time to be used than Kamui

Jiraiya has a contract with them, you act like they not gonna wanna help him out in a fight.

Well, it's not as if Jiraya controls them very well. He admitted himself that he couldn't control Gamabunta very well. I think it depends on the situation for Gamabunta even trying to help Jiraya. Gamabunta said the only one who could really master him was Minato

Ma & Pa, the Boss summoning will be there in a instant, just like when Sasuke summoned Manda.

Then why did it took him all that time to summon them against Pain?

Well that was their chakra in his body right. What did he do after he got their chakra, I think he was still injured, but was able to use Susano'o hand to break the wall from Mei and escape, but only to almost be killed by Onoki. Obito saved him, but there chakra wasn't enough to fully heal him.

Not really, since Sasuke admitted that his chakra was replenished. Chakra has nothing to do with healing. You can have 200% of chakra, that it won't change the fact you're still injured

With Tsunade chakra Onoki was able to produce a much larger Jinton. Same with Kakashi, with Kurama's chakra he was able to warp a much larger being

Well, remember that before using that Jinton, he said that he was out of chakra. He even said it would have been his last attack, so i think that Tsunade only replenished him as a last effort

Once Jiraiya wraps his hair around Kakashi, he can turn his hair to spike so he'll know. I've never seen Kakashi use Raiton on his legs, which would be needed to escape the swamped. I see no reason why if Kakashi goes underground, Jiraiya can't turn the ground into a swamp, trapping him.

I don't understand what you mean by Jiraya wraping his hair around Kakashi. What does that have to do with noticing if he fights a clone or not? Also, he doesn't need to show us if he can use raiton with his legs or not. In the swamp, he still has his hands. Why could he not use his hands to neutralise the swamp by flowing raiton around himself?

Concerning the hiding mole technique, if you read carefully what is stated, it mentions that it transforms the earth into fine sand where the user can travel, so i believe that he could do the same against that earth jutsu. Being underground should not be a problem.

If he even has no other choice, as a last ressort, he can simply warp himself in the other dimension to escape death at least, he has too much methods to avoid that technique

Anyway not saying Jiraya doesn't have a chance since Jiraya is really powerful and not to be underestimate. If he wins, i would be also glad since i also like the character. It's just that i think that current kakashi has shown more than enough things right now that would make him victorious. Kamui alone is really too good for a jutsu

 

[Champ]

I know Jiraya has high chakra reserve, but Ma still has more than him since she has natural chakra energy flowing in her which is unlimited. Also, i'm not saying he would get tired from summoning them. What i'm saying is that it's not in-character for him to summon all those toads, and the reason for this is probably because it could be a waste of chakra especially if we talk about a long battle(since summoning just one of them already takes a huge amount), so not sure Jiraya would really want to waste all that chakra from the start. If he is in SM it's another story though

But frog song takes more time to be used than Kamui

Well, it's not as if Jiraya controls them very well. He admitted himself that he couldn't control Gamabunta very well. I think it depends on the situation for Gamabunta even trying to help Jiraya. Gamabunta said the only one who could really master him was Minato


Then why did it took him all that time to summon them against Pain?


Not really, since Sasuke admitted that his chakra was replenished. Chakra has nothing to do with healing. You can have 200% of chakra, that it won't change the fact you're still injured

Well, remember that before using that Jinton, he said that he was out of chakra. He even said it would have been his last attack, so i think that Tsunade only replenished him as a last effort


I don't understand what you mean by Jiraya wraping his hair around Kakashi. What does that have to do with noticing if he fights a clone or not? Also, he doesn't need to show us if he can use raiton with his legs or not. In the swamp, he still has his hands. Why could he not use his hands to neutralise the swamp by flowing raiton around himself?

Concerning the hiding mole technique, if you read carefully what is stated, it mentions that it transforms the earth into fine sand where the user can travel, so i believe that he could do the same against that earth jutsu. Being underground should not be a problem.

If he even has no other choice, as a last ressort, he can simply warp himself in the other dimension to escape death at least, he has too much methods to avoid that technique

Anyway not saying Jiraya doesn't have a chance since Jiraya is really powerful and not to be underestimate. If he wins, i would be also glad since i also like the character. It's just that i think that current kakashi has shown more than enough things right now that would make him victorious. Kamui alone is really too good for a jutsu

I hate Kakashi & Jiraiya both. I don't feel like debatin all day now. I'm goin outside, if I have enough energy to be a Jiraiya fanboy I'll respond to this later.

 

[Horus]

Kakashi isnt equal to jiraya, mainly because jiraya is legendary, is one of the most powerful shinobi konoha has ever produced and has taken down alot of the six paths of pein while on the other hand kakashi only took down 1. Kakashi isnt stronger than any of the sannin

 

[Hmph]

Kakashi isnt equal to jiraya,

u r right he is stronger

mainly because jiraya is legendary

o_o does this mean jiraiya is also stronger than sasuke? stronger than naruto? etc

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is one of the most powerful shinobi konoha has ever produced

so is kakashi, but he is stronger at this point. jiraiya is a great character and fighter though.

and has taken down alot of the six paths of pein while on the other hand kakashi only took down 1.

jiraiya defeated the weaker paths

kakashi was fighting deva and asura who are much stronger. but it doesnt matter since kakashi improved and got stronger since then. jiraiya on the other hand, is dead.

Kakashi isnt stronger than any of the sannin

kakashi is stronger than all of the sannin. he wouldnt even need kamui for tsunade.

 

[Champ]

I know Jiraya has high chakra reserve, but Ma still has more than him since she has natural chakra energy flowing in her which is unlimited. Also, i'm not saying he would get tired from summoning them. What i'm saying is that it's not in-character for him to summon all those toads, and the reason for this is probably because it could be a waste of chakra especially if we talk about a long battle(since summoning just one of them already takes a huge amount), so not sure Jiraya would really want to waste all that chakra from the start. If he is in SM it's another story though

But frog song takes more time to be used than Kamui

Well, it's not as if Jiraya controls them very well. He admitted himself that he couldn't control Gamabunta very well. I think it depends on the situation for Gamabunta even trying to help Jiraya. Gamabunta said the only one who could really master him was Minato


Then why did it took him all that time to summon them against Pain?


Not really, since Sasuke admitted that his chakra was replenished. Chakra has nothing to do with healing. You can have 200% of chakra, that it won't change the fact you're still injured

Well, remember that before using that Jinton, he said that he was out of chakra. He even said it would have been his last attack, so i think that Tsunade only replenished him as a last effort


I don't understand what you mean by Jiraya wraping his hair around Kakashi. What does that have to do with noticing if he fights a clone or not? Also, he doesn't need to show us if he can use raiton with his legs or not. In the swamp, he still has his hands. Why could he not use his hands to neutralise the swamp by flowing raiton around himself?

Concerning the hiding mole technique, if you read carefully what is stated, it mentions that it transforms the earth into fine sand where the user can travel, so i believe that he could do the same against that earth jutsu. Being underground should not be a problem.

If he even has no other choice, as a last ressort, he can simply warp himself in the other dimension to escape death at least, he has too much methods to avoid that technique

Anyway not saying Jiraya doesn't have a chance since Jiraya is really powerful and not to be underestimate. If he wins, i would be also glad since i also like the character. It's just that i think that current kakashi has shown more than enough things right now that would make him victorious. Kamui alone is really too good for a jutsu

Well all I hear you say is Jiraiya won't summon them. I believe it's so Kakashi can have a better chance at at winning. If Tsunade half dead can summon her boss summoning witn her body split, I see no reason Jiraiya can't especially, since the databook says he has higher chakra, than her I don't see him tiring out. That is true Kamui is faster than frog song, but Kakashi has no knowledge of it. So if he's fightin Boss toad, along Jiraiya he won't know it's even coming. I forgot all about Food cart destroyer, haha so I really don't see Kakashi winning now that he can be crushed by that huge frog. Jiraiya wanted to use Sage Mode on pain to increase in speed/ reflexes and power. Actually one of his boss toad held there own against pain, summoning til he got owned by the dogs. Sasuke was still injured cause they didn't fully heal him, it wasn't until Karin Heald him, and we already know Susano'o made every cell in Sasuke body hurt. Thank you for makin my point he was outta chakra. Tsunade chakra was the reason for that massive Jinton. Jiraiya hair jutsu is long range, if he were to hit Kakashi with it, then the clones would vanish. What im saying if Jiraiya goes all out, then he'll have his 3 boss summoning fighting Kakashi, Ma & Pa prepping frog song. Kakashi has the Sharingan, Jiraiya wouldn't wanna fall for a Genjutsu he may think Kakashi has, so he'll make a clones, since we know a clone can't be put into a Genjutsu and he can't tell them apart. So if one clone does a big ball rasengan we know Kakashi's not goin to try to take that head on, which will be difficult to dodge with the other Boss summoin attackin him. The real Jiraiya could launch food cart destroyer and crush him, if not by then frog song will be ready to end it. I think you believe it'll just be base Jiraiya fightin, Kakashi with no summoning. I don't believe he'll underestimate Kakashi like that.

 

[Izuna Kakashi Senju]

Kakashi is not quite there yet.

 

[Horus]

u r right he is stronger



o_o does this mean jiraiya is also stronger than sasuke? stronger than naruto? etc

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so is kakashi, but he is stronger at this point. jiraiya is a great character and fighter though.


jiraiya defeated the weaker paths

kakashi was fighting deva and asura who are much stronger. but it doesnt matter since kakashi improved and got stronger since then. jiraiya on the other hand, is dead.


kakashi is stronger than all of the sannin. he wouldnt even need kamui for tsunade.

Listen you believe what you want to believe kakshi fanboy. face the truth that kakashi isnt ready to fight any sannin at the moment, not just because he has kamui means he is stronger than everyone, you just fanboying, kakashi was struggling to fight deva path when jiraya brutalized a couple of them. and of course jiraya is stronger than sasuke and but not sure about naruto, its your opinion if you believe that the overrated kakashi is a match for any of the sannin. and you clearly underrate tsunade. have a nice day