@piratefish
Unfortunately, I saw more subjectivity than actual facts.
And I, in turn, am seeing what seems to be either deliberate misinterpretation or actual stupidity, all covered in a fine veneer of baseless intellectual superiority.
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you can clearly see the Biju itself appearing before Kakuzu and Hidan and yet losing.
And the Two-Tails is equal to the Hachibi, and Kakuzu and Hidan posess not a SINGLE attack that could POSSIBLY even SCRATCH a Bijuu, let alone make an opening to the Jinchuuriki for Hidan to draw blood from her.
Is that what you're saying?
Here you are not understanding how the Sharingans insight is actually working. Insight means, you can read the opponents body language, can predict his actions and see through any of his techniques, what in the end leads to seeing through his strategy. The Sharingan always proved to keep up with someones techniques and predict actions well. Besides, wht kind of strategy the Sandaime Raikage is following? Just going on rampage and destroying anything which stays in his way? Are you calling this strategy which is hard to be seen through?
Here you are vastly overrating the Sharingan, and underrating actual knowledge and battle strategy. The Sharingan grants predictive abilities towards single actions, and if you're capable enough you MAY be able to use that to predict your opponents every move. But Dodai's KNOWLEDGE of what the Raikage is going to do is what allows him to fool the Sandaime, not actual speed. Well, possessing the ability to make rubber balls for the Raikage to be distracted by certainly helps.
I'll grant that the Raikage is straightforward in battle, but FOOLING him by using the type of tactics Madara does seems unlikely. Madara is prideful, and likes to demonstrate his strength. It would quickly become a direct contest of thereof.
Again, you're misinterpreting certain things. Madara didn't have to immobilize A in order to put him under an illusion. By rereading this scan you may realize that Madara caught A with Susanoo because latter intended to meet Tsunade in order to help her. This nowhere implies that he first has to immobilize him. This is again one of your biased ideas. Genjutsu is always working, whether on humans which are staying around or moving rapidly. The Sharingan is able to keep up with Sandaimes speed and if it comes to Genjutsu, latter will be affected as every other living, too. I see no reason why not. You may bring up facts which can really refute this. Cutting Susanoos arm is as laughable as the Genjutsu part. Sandaime is not cutting anything, He concentrates the power at his fingertips. And here it's a far fetched idea that the andaime would have enough strength to destroy Susanoos huge arm, when it was already be shown that tha ribcage can survive massive techniques. Further, who ensures that the Sandaime would at all be able to move with a single part of his body, when Susanoo will hold him in its hard handle?
Again, you seem to be deliberately misunderstanding me. Madara hasn't shown himself able to apply a genjutsu to any Raikage while his target is in motion, and considering the speed they move at mutual eye-contact is indisputably difficult if not IMPOSSIBLE to achieve. Saying Madara can hypnotize an opponent of this speed-level is unproven and, in fact, biased. Because Sharingan genjutsu WORK on most beings does not mean they work on EVERY living thing in EVERY possible circumstance, as you seem to believe. If eye-to-eye-contact (or eye-finger contact, in Itachi's case) cannot be achieved, Madara cannot apply genjutsu. You seeing no reason for this being the case is not any form of evidence.
Cutting Susano'o's arm with a Hell Stab is LAUGHABLE? That's a patently ridiculous statement, and virtually any rational member of this community will agree. The Hachibi himself states that the Sandaime CUT all his tails off AT ONCE. The Raikage not being able to MOVE while trapped is possible, but unlikely, and even with severely limited movement would be able to slice through Susano'o's arm. Without much difficulty.
Your arguments are hardly losing their quality. There is no need to think about what would happen if Amaterasu hit only a part of Sandaimes body, because the Amaterasu which is cast on a certain target is known for affecting it in its full shape. In other words, Sandaime Raikages bodywould burn fully and rapidly. Using the Amaterasu which is burning at his whole body as an reinforcement for his own attacks, which could above put Madara and his Susanoo in a disadvantaged position is not even a funny joke, bias at its finest. As arm had to be cut immediately when was affected by Amaterasu because of the great damage it leaves and you're talking about Sandaime fighting without a break while fully burning and make even use of the flames burning his body. And of course it is not debatable whether Sandaime can escape from the Sharingans sight. His son, A, is faster since he is able to maximize his speed by combining the Raiton armor with the body flicker technique, allowing him to travel with a speed the Sharingan can not follow anymore. Sandaime however doesn't possess this ability, at least no important source implies this. The speed Sandaime possesses is at most on the level of As when he is at the first stage of his speed, which still can be predict by the Sharingan. Comparing the speed correctly, most folks which were present when A was fighting, couldn't even follow As movements when he actually wasn't using the body flicker technique, Sandaimes movements are however well predicted by those who don't even use Doujutsus.
Saying my arguments are hardly losing quality is actually a backhanded type of compliment, but I doubt you meant it like that. The Raikage's body would burn fully and rapidly, exactly like his son who was hit in the arm, cut off the arm, and discovered to his horror that Amaterasu had already spread to the rest of his body and subsequently perished from the conflagration.
No, wait, that wasn't what happened. Amaterasu DIDN'T spread that fast? Then that must mean you are mistaken!
And the Third is of course physically incapable of the body-flicker under any circumstances, and Naruto facing both father and son (and A using V2 mode) in no way implies them to be equal or at least similar in speed.
So you agree that intimate knowledge of an opponents battle-tactics and style are of great help when fighting them, to the point where it's comparable to the Sharingan?
None of this goes into the Sandaimes favor when it comes to speed. The talk is only about his raw strength. About speed feats, I already brought my statement when answering your former quote. All this is based on pure facts backed up by manga feats.
Naruto was able to avoid getting hit by the Fourth Raikage after the first, surprise blow. His belief that he couldn't keep engaging the Third as he had, even having landed a Rasenshruiken, and having even the remotest chance of winning had as much to do with speed as with power.
Are you mad actually? Minato cut one of the Hachibis tentacles with just a
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and yet you're comparing Hachibis skin to the defense which is grant you by Susanoo. Just randomly, a Kunai was already broken when being used against Susanoos ribcage (seen in Sasukes fight against Danzo). So you're basically implying that a Kunai is getting past Susanoo. You proof me right again and again when I show you how biased you actually are.
Minato's kunai are, of course, "just kunai", and not the cornerstone of his fighting style or the basis for AT LEAST TWO of his S/T techniques. They CANNOT possibly be any better than regular kunai, even having sliced through the Hachibi's tail when the (un-Raiton-enhanced) Sword of Kusanagi, capable of damaging even diamond, (according to Enma he was left slightly injured every time his diamond-hard staff-form clashed with Oro's sword) could NOT damage even a V2 SHROUD. You think little of any fights without Uchiha involved, it seems.
It's unbelievable what kind of things I have to proof to you because your lack of common knowledge about the Manga but also common sense is immense. Of course Susanoos speed is incredible, Susanoos activation is lightning fast and allows the caster in this way to blok techniques like Kirin in the last second. When taking a look at Sasukes fight against Danzo, Susanoo also demonstrated a high speed and high reactivity when smashing Danzo instantly while latter is moving towards it [
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] or shooting arrows and Magatamas no one is able to dodge. Including the fact, that Susanoo is controlled by its user, who is a Sharingan user and possesses a great insight, allowing him to predict an every movement of the opponent, Susanoos chance of missing an attack is almost excluded.
The Susano'o's activation speed is instant. The Susano'o's actual movement speed, on the other hand, is just too fast to react to FOR DANZO. Danzo of the presumably immense, Raikage-level speed-feats I somehow didn't notice. Magatama's have been blocked by Gaara's sand, and Oonoki's rock golem. The Third Raikage is as fast or more than likely faster than these things. Saying that "no-one is able to dodge" these techniques is quite simply fallacious. Magatama has been blocked. Arrows have been diverted and warped, and none of those who were capable of these things were as fast as either Raikage.
So, a Sharingan user naturally predicts an opponents EVERY move, making it pretty much impossible for him to miss or for his opponent to dodge. That seems fair, true and unbiased.
I have intentionally bold your uppercased word. The hellstab is confirmed to be the only weapon able to cut through Bijus like butter? What about Minato, who cut one of Hachibis tentacles with just a Kunai? What about Sasuke being able to cut one of Hachibis tentacles with his Chidori sword? Claiming something to be proven though actually the opposite is the case, just confirms your lack of common knowledge of the Manga. Saying, that Sandaime Raikage tanked a Tailed Beast Bomb is therefore also false, your own scan confirms this. The Hachibi tried to remember his fight against Sandaime and tried to remember how the Sandaime was actually damaged deadly. After playing with the thought that the Bijudama was the reason, he remembered that the Sandaime hurt himself by stabbing himself with his own hell stab when falling down because of exhaustion. By continuing to read this chapter, you will find this information as well.
No. You misunderstand. Again. I mean, really. I am talking about the RAIKAGE'S DEFENSE. His LIGHTNING ARMOR combined with an IRON BODY. No technique yet shown, other than his own, has penetrated BOTH, it should be perfectly OBVIOUS what I was talking about.
The Hachibi was wondering whether it was his Bijuudama, implying that he fired off a Bijuudama that was either only partially dodged or full-out tanked.
The Sandaime Raikage is supposed to have a body as hard as steel, making his body to a shield for an every attack. Susanoo however is able to break materials which are far harder than steel. The evidence you can find when rereading the Uchiha brothers fight against Kabuto, where Susanoo is cutting through bones, which are supposed to be harder than steel and were above reinforced with Senchakra. This, however, was only the sceleton form, without actually being covered in muscles and wearing an armor with weapons.
Am I talking about the Sandaime's body's durability alone? I didn't THINK I was, but rather the combined durability of the Third and his Armor. Assuming that even a partial Susano'o is capable of perforating his Armor when an FRS couldn't...
To be honest, I'm tired of debating at this level. Anything I said was based on essential facts which are backed up by Manga feats, I even gave you several links proving this and anything I hear is bias and subjectivity. I'm done if your next post has the same structure and level. Believing that Madara could be inferior to the Sandaime doesn't make sense if looking neutral at it.
I am quite tired myself, at least of people who condemn any difficult anti-Uchiha argument as "biased" while repeatedly making inane statements in their favour, especially if they again and again fail to show understanding of non-Uchiha's abilities. You have not impressed me. You have repeatedly failed to understood my words. Your statement that EMS Madara COULDN'T even be CONSIDERED as inferior to the Sandaime and then proclaiming such a view as NEUTRAL is enough to make me want to re-read your entire post to find other examples of
your type of neutrality.
