Please let this end these stupid arguments..

[MickNerks]

First i would like to say that this is not a thread to decide the strongest shinobi or anything else.. DO NOT ARGUE on this thread about the strongest shinobi or hokage because everyone is tired of hearing this non sense over and over again. The purpose of this thread is to simply prove a point about why peoples arguements about hashirama's hype is nonsense.

People who support hashirama are saying that he is the strongest because Madara says that he is the only one who can defeat him, and since madara is god level that must mean hashirama is god level as well.. This is why everyone who uses this arguement should stop..

1. We all know that the Sage of Six Paths can beat Madara, but Madara doesnt mention his name. So according to you all hashirama can beat the sage of six paths because madara didnt mention the sage as someone who could beat him.

2. We all know the Juubi can beat Madara, but Madara doesnt mention his name. So according to yoiu all hashirama can beat the Juubi because Madara didnt mention the Juubi as a person who can beat him.

3. We all know that Itachi's Susanoo with the Sword of Totsuka and the Yata Mirror can seal Madara, but Madara doesnt mention his name. So according to you all Hashirama can defeat Itachi's (invincible) susanoo because madara didnt mention him as a person who can defeat him.


Do you see where im going with this.. Just because madara doesnt mention everyone in the narutoverse who can defeat him doesnt mean that hashirama is automatically the strongest person to live. I as that we let the hate for other characters go and begin to use reason. Its part of the story to make certain characters look strong certain points in time.

Honestly the debate between Hashirama and Hiruzen is pointless, because everyone is wrong about who is the strongest. You did not create the manga, so until kishi comes out and names the strongest hokage, everyone who thinks they know are wrong. Only kishi knows what they were both capable in their prime.



Anyway, that all i have to say.

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[10023213]

@everything you wrote

True u_u

 

[fastrthnwind]

This has single handedly closed all arguments regarding whos strongest. U_U

 

[Shodaime Swagkage]

@everything you wrote

True u_u

^This. You've tried but it ain't gonna stop the fanboys.

 

[Kwalker394]

I agree with what your doing and saying but not just anyone can beat him also (no I'm not a Madara fan) but it goes both ways as well. Yes those (that you stated) can beat him (im sure there are others too) but there are also most that cant beat him too. All in all + rep because what you say is true.

Edit: Already rep you before so I cant do it now. Sorry :shrug:

 

[markdabomb22]

I am Masashi Kishimoto and i declare Iruka as the strongest hokage/shinobi to ever live......if you have a problem with this IDGAF and buy more manga to make me rich....that is all

 

[OnPoint]

You don't even need to refer to Madara's statements to make an argument for the 1st. This only targets a certain section of those arguing for Hashirama.

 

[fastrthnwind]

I am Masashi Kishimoto and i declare Iruka as the strongest hokage/shinobi to ever live......if you have a problem with this IDGAF and buy more manga to make me rich....that is all

That would be funny as hell if something like that were to happen and he made one of the most underrated characters the strongest in the series. xd *cough*Tenten*cough*

 

[MickNerks]

@everything you wrote

True u_u

This has single handedly closed all arguments regarding whos strongest. U_U

^This. You've tried but it ain't gonna stop the fanboys.

I know.. But it will make reasonable stop this redundant posting of the strongest shinobi

 

[The Necromancer]

You don't even need to refer to Madara's statements to make an argument for the 1st. This only targets a certain section of those arguing for Hashirama.

This. I'll take a quote from madara within the last 30 chapters than Iruka's statement 500+ chapters and 9+ years ago.

 

[MickNerks]

I agree with what your doing and saying but not just anyone can beat him also (no I'm not a Madara fan) but it goes both ways as well. Yes those (that you stated) can beat him (im sure there are others too) but there are also most that cant beat him too. All in all + rep because what you say is true.

Edit: Already rep you before so I cant do it now. Sorry :shrug:

Its ok.. And i know there are many who cant. People began trying to use the arguement that because madara stated hashirama as the stronger between the two, that automatically makes hashirama the strongest to ever live.

You don't even need to refer to Madara's statements to make an argument for the 1st. This only targets a certain section of those arguing for Hashirama.

Your right, i hope those select few read this thread.

 

[Joon]

1. What evidence or facts support your claim? The Sage and Madara is clearly opinion and assumption.

2. Same as number one. A claim not supported by evidence and fact.

3. Same as above.

What are you trying to prove here? Manga is fact. Everyone (members of NB) claims are only assumptions and opinions until supported with facts from the Manga. However, they still could misinterpretating the infromation provided or fabricating the words, allowing their opinion or assumptions close to being fact in readers eyes.

Meh. Rubbish talk, but I hope you understood.

 

[MickNerks]

1. What evidence or facts support your claim? The Sage and Madara is clearly opinion and assumption.

2. Same as number one. A claim not supported by evidence and fact.

3. Same as above.

What are you trying to prove here? Manga is fact. Everyone (members of NB) claims are only assumptions and opinions until supported with facts from the Manga. However, they still could misinterpretating the infromation provided or fabricating the words, allowing their opinion or assumptions close to being fact in readers eyes.

Meh. Rubbish talk, but I hope you understood.

I understand what you are saying.. But manga has stated that itachi's susanoo is invincible.

 

[megallica]

First i would like to say that this is not a thread to decide the strongest shinobi or anything else.. DO NOT ARGUE on this thread about the strongest shinobi or hokage because everyone is tired of hearing this non sense over and over again. The purpose of this thread is to simply prove a point about why peoples arguements about hashirama's hype is nonsense.

People who support hashirama are saying that he is the strongest because Madara says that he is the only one who can defeat him, and since madara is god level that must mean hashirama is god level as well.. This is why everyone who uses this arguement should stop..

1. We all know that the Sage of Six Paths can beat Madara, but Madara doesnt mention his name. So according to you all hashirama can beat the sage of six paths because madara didnt mention the sage as someone who could beat him.

2. We all know the Juubi can beat Madara, but Madara doesnt mention his name. So according to yoiu all hashirama can beat the Juubi because Madara didnt mention the Juubi as a person who can beat him.

3. We all know that Itachi's Susanoo with the Sword of Totsuka and the Yata Mirror can seal Madara, but Madara doesnt mention his name. So according to you all Hashirama can defeat Itachi's (invincible) susanoo because madara didnt mention him as a person who can defeat him.


Do you see where im going with this.. Just because madara doesnt mention everyone in the narutoverse who can defeat him doesnt mean that hashirama is automatically the strongest person to live. I as that we let the hate for other characters go and begin to use reason. Its part of the story to make certain characters look strong certain points in time.

Honestly the debate between Hashirama and Hiruzen is pointless, because everyone is wrong about who is the strongest. You did not create the manga, so until kishi comes out and names the strongest hokage, everyone who thinks they know are wrong. Only kishi knows what they were both capable in their prime.



Anyway, that all i have to say.

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thank you

 

[Expulso]

So true.. I love this thread.

 

[Makoto]

First i would like to say that this is not a thread to decide the strongest shinobi or anything else.. DO NOT ARGUE on this thread about the strongest shinobi or hokage because everyone is tired of hearing this non sense over and over again. The purpose of this thread is to simply prove a point about why peoples arguements about hashirama's hype is nonsense.

People who support hashirama are saying that he is the strongest because Madara says that he is the only one who can defeat him, and since madara is god level that must mean hashirama is god level as well.. This is why everyone who uses this arguement should stop..

1. We all know that the Sage of Six Paths can beat Madara, but Madara doesnt mention his name. So according to you all hashirama can beat the sage of six paths because madara didnt mention the sage as someone who could beat him.

2. We all know the Juubi can beat Madara, but Madara doesnt mention his name. So according to yoiu all hashirama can beat the Juubi because Madara didnt mention the Juubi as a person who can beat him.

3. We all know that Itachi's Susanoo with the Sword of Totsuka and the Yata Mirror can seal Madara, but Madara doesnt mention his name. So according to you all Hashirama can defeat Itachi's (invincible) susanoo because madara didnt mention him as a person who can defeat him.


Do you see where im going with this.. Just because madara doesnt mention everyone in the narutoverse who can defeat him doesnt mean that hashirama is automatically the strongest person to live. I as that we let the hate for other characters go and begin to use reason. Its part of the story to make certain characters look strong certain points in time.

Honestly the debate between Hashirama and Hiruzen is pointless, because everyone is wrong about who is the strongest. You did not create the manga, so until kishi comes out and names the strongest hokage, everyone who thinks they know are wrong. Only kishi knows what they were both capable in their prime.



Anyway, that all i have to say.

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You've definitely crushed the arguments that Hashirama is the only person who can beat Madara, exactly what I've been wanting to say all along that there is no single strongest character, with the exception of Rikudou Sennin, or top 10 and all that BS. Everyone can be beat, including Hiruzen, Minato, Itachi, Nagato, Naruto, Sasuke, everyone. Hashirama fanboys are the ones that always ruin everything and you've just crushed their arguments to pieces. I do my best to stay objective on people who post vs threads, but I won't bring up who's stronger than who because this isn't a thread of who's stronger than who. You deserve a + rep.

^This. You've tried but it ain't gonna stop the fanboys.

That's why they're called fanboys, NOTHING will stop them. You can bring them cold, hard facts and even Kishi can say Hiruzen is stronger than Hashirama, as an example, they'll refuse to believe it.

You don't even need to refer to Madara's statements to make an argument for the 1st. This only targets a certain section of those arguing for Hashirama.

It's pretty much Madara's statements that made everyone jump on the Hashirama bandwagon. Because of Madara, Hashirama gained MANY fanboys.

 

[OnPoint]

It's pretty much Madara's statements that made everyone jump on the Hashirama bandwagon. Because of Madara, Hashirama gained MANY fanboys.

That tells only half the story. There are many others who can compose logical arguments on Hashirama's behalf without needing to refer to a single quote of Madara's.