Kakashi vs. Obito: No Sharingan or Bijuu! RINNEGAN ALLOWED

[KidGamer65]

Soul Rip isn't instant, and it's debateable whether Obito could absorb a Raikiri at the same time as he's focused on soul removal.

Bansho Tennin didn't work the first time, why would you think Kakashi can't counter it?

Kakashi can't counter Soul Rip, and yes he can absorb Raikiri as Nagato did the same exact thing:

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If that doesn't work, Obito summons Gedo Mazo and proceeds to smash Kakashi into the ground, if he tries to warp Gedo away he can use Shinra Tensei to blow him back while Gedo comes in an smashes him.

 

[Piratefish]

Kakashi can't counter Soul Rip, and yes he can absorb Raikiri as Nagato did the same exact thing:

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If that doesn't work, Obito summons Gedo Mazo and proceeds to smash Kakashi into the ground, if he tries to warp Gedo away he can use Shinra Tensei to blow him back while Gedo comes in an smashes him.

Obito isn't nearly as proficient with the Rinnegan as Nagato is, and I've already stated that the Gedou is banned. This is a man on man fight. Kakashi would retreat to a decent range before firing of a Kamui, he wouldn't stay in range while taking his focus off of a Rinnegan-user.

 

[KidGamer65]

Obito isn't nearly as proficient with the Rinnegan as Nagato is, and I've already stated that the Gedou is banned. This is a man on man fight. Kakashi would retreat to a decent range before firing of a Kamui, he wouldn't stay in range while taking his focus off of a Rinnegan-user.

Manga says anyone with Rinnegan can use the Rinnegan paths, And you think Obito will let Kakashi retreat? Obito has Mokuton to tie him up with, and Asura Path missiles and Asura Path cannon to fire at him.

One big Shinra Tensei followed up with Soul Rip kills him.

 

[Piratefish]

Manga says anyone with Rinnegan can use the Rinnegan paths, And you think Obito will let Kakashi retreat? Obito has Mokuton to tie him up with, and Asura Path missiles and Asura Path cannon to fire at him.

One big Shinra Tensei followed up with Soul Rip kills him.

Not saying he can't use the Paths, but two at once seems like it might be too much for him. Pein has shown excellent feats at splitting his attention, Obito hasn't.

Yes, he just might. Obito revels in people realizing they are about to fail, and that may give Kakashi an opening. He is very dangerous at long range, true.

 

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Obito wins with ease.

 

[KidGamer65]

Not saying he can't use the Paths, but two at once seems like it might be too much for him. Pein has shown excellent feats at splitting his attention, Obito hasn't.

Yes, he just might. Obito revels in people realizing they are about to fail, and that may give Kakashi an opening. He is very dangerous at long range, true.

He doesn't need to split his attention as Kakashi is right in front of him and he will be able to see Raikiri coming.

Obito is too smart a ninja to let his guard down against anyone, especially if his ace in the hole (Kamui) is restricted, that would just make him more wary.

 

[Piratefish]

Obito wins with ease.

Justifications, please...

 

[Piratefish]

He doesn't need to split his attention as Kakashi is right in front of him and he will be able to see Raikiri coming.

Obito is too smart a ninja to let his guard down against anyone, especially if his ace in the hole (Kamui) is restricted, that would just make him more wary.

He does need to split his attention to use two recently-learned techniques at once. Seeing Raikiri coming at close range (especially without the Sharingan) doesn't exactly guarantee survival.

He IS very smart, but he does enjoy his little gloats (is that grammatically correct?). Sure, I'll give you this though.

 

[KidGamer65]

He does need to split his attention to use two recently-learned techniques at once. Seeing Raikiri coming at close range (especially without the Sharingan) doesn't exactly guarantee survival.

He IS very smart, but he does enjoy his little gloats (is that grammatically correct?). Sure, I'll give you this though.

No he doesn't as he is focusing both techniques on the same target than is right in front of him, if it were like when Bee tried to jump Nagato from the side, then he would need to split his attention.

 

[Piratefish]

No he doesn't as he is focusing both techniques on the same target than is right in front of him, if it were like when Bee tried to jump Nagato from the side, then he would need to split his attention.

The difficulty of using two techs at once is illustrated by Naruto's difficulties with the Rasengan and Rasenshruiken, and by the fact that no-one but Nagato has EVER done so, as far as I can rememder.

 

[KidGamer65]

The difficulty of using two techs at once is illustrated by Naruto's difficulties with the Rasengan and Rasenshruiken, and by the fact that no-one but Nagato has EVER done so, as far as I can rememder.

Those are different techniques with different mechanics so comparing them is pointless.

 

[Piratefish]

Those are different techniques with different mechanics so comparing them is pointless.

How can you assume that splitting one's attention and chakra between two techniques at once is simple? Nagato presumably had YEARS of experience and learning time, with the Six Paths.

 

[KidGamer65]

]How can you assume that splitting one's attention and chakra between two techniques at once is simple? [/B]Nagato presumably had YEARS of experience and learning time, with the Six Paths.

Obito has already shown the ability to do this....

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Here he uses Kamui with his Katon, at the same time.

 

[Piratefish]

Obito has already shown the ability to do this....

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Here he uses Kamui with his Katon, at the same time.

Uchiha regularly use the Sharingan and other techniques at the same time, and he's had years of time to learn it. Rinnegan techniques are very unique, and presumably difficult.

 

[KidGamer65]

Uchiha regularly use the Sharingan and other techniques at the same time, and he's had years of time to learn it. Rinnegan techniques are very unique, and presumably difficult.

Uchiha regularly use Base Sharingan's abilities with other jutsu, not MS Jutsu like Kamui along with another Katon.

Sasuke had his MS for a short while and was able to use Susanoo and Katon, Susanoo and Enton at the same time.

Madara hasn't had years of experience with the Rinnegan but he can still use it along with other techniques, an example is when he used Rinnegan to bring down the meteor, along with Susanoo.

Nothing even implies that Rinnegan techniques are difficult to use.

 

[Piratefish]

Uchiha regularly use Base Sharingan's abilities with other jutsu, not MS Jutsu like Kamui along with another Katon.

Sasuke had his MS for a short while and was able to use Susanoo and Katon, Susanoo and Enton at the same time.

Madara hasn't had years of experience with the Rinnegan but he can still use it along with other techniques, an example is when he used Rinnegan to bring down the meteor, along with Susanoo.

Nothing even implies that Rinnegan techniques are difficult to use.

Sasuke doing so only proves my point (about the Uchiha). Sasuke has had his Sharingan for quite a while though, while Obito is new to the Rinnegan. We don't know exactly when Madara awakened the Rinnegan, but there's a SIZEABLE span of years between his last confirmed battle and giving his eyes to Nagato.

Rinnegan techs being COMPLETELY DIFFERENT FROM ANY OTHER KIND OF TECH IN THE MANGA does imply them to be hard, but the MS techs are similar in that. Let's see if there are differences there:

Rinnegan techs are arguably stronger.

Nagato was unable to use his techniques while training under Jiraiya, as Jiraiya didn't recognize anything the Paths did, even when he'd had the eyes for years, perhaps since birth or shortly after.

Nagato seems to have learned the Six Path techs in the years AFTER Yahiko's death, as they would have helped greatly against Hanzo, and even Hanzo didn't recognize them, as we see when he's on his death-bed.

 

[KidGamer65]

Sasuke doing so only proves my point (about the Uchiha). Sasuke has had his Sharingan for quite a while though, while Obito is new to the Rinnegan. We don't know exactly when Madara awakened the Rinnegan, but there's a SIZEABLE span of years between his last confirmed battle and giving his eyes to Nagato.

Rinnegan techs being COMPLETELY DIFFERENT FROM ANY OTHER KIND OF TECH IN THE MANGA does imply them to be hard, but the MS techs are similar in that. Let's see if there are differences there:

Rinnegan techs are arguably stronger.

Nagato was unable to use his techniques while training under Jiraiya, as Jiraiya didn't recognize anything the Paths did, even when he'd had the eyes for years, perhaps since birth or shortly after.

Nagato seems to have learned the Six Path techs in the years AFTER Yahiko's death, as they would have helped greatly against Hanzo, and even Hanzo didn't recognize them, as we see when he's on his death-bed.

Sasuke had his MS for a day then he was spamming MS techs like crazy, and Madara got Rinnegan at the end of his lifespan, then he summoned Gedo Mazo to keep him alive.

Obito knows everything about the Rinnegan techs hence Madara teaching him about them:

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Rinnegan techs being different imply them to be stronger and different, not difficult to use.

Bringing up Nagato is pointless because unlike Obito, he didn't have prior knowledge to the Rinnegan and all of it techniques.

 

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[Piratefish]

Sasuke had his MS for a day then he was spamming MS techs like crazy, and Madara got Rinnegan at the end of his lifespan, then he summoned Gedo Mazo to keep him alive.

Obito knows everything about the Rinnegan techs hence Madara teaching him about them:

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Rinnegan techs being different imply them to be stronger and different, not difficult to use.

Bringing up Nagato is pointless because unlike Obito, he didn't have prior knowledge to the Rinnegan and all of it techniques.

I did imply that the MS was easy to obtain mastery of, but went on to state some differences between eyes.

It's equally possible that he didn't summon the Gedou immediately and rather aged a bit before summoning it, or at least before discovering its ability do halt aging. I mean, why would a statue halt the process of growing old?

Also, Madara didn't spontaneously gain knowledge of all the Rinnegan techs, he must have experimented A LOT with the eyes before giving them away.

I didn't see that about Madara and Obito. Thanks for the info.

Why would something being extremely potent AND completely unique imply that learning about it/mastering it would be easy?

 

[KidGamer65]

I did imply that the MS was easy to obtain mastery of, but went on to state some differences between eyes.

It's equally possible that he didn't summon the Gedou immediately and rather aged a bit before summoning it, or at least before discovering its ability do halt aging. I mean, why would a statue halt the process of growing old?

Also, Madara didn't spontaneously gain knowledge of all the Rinnegan techs, he must have experimented A LOT with the eyes before giving them away.

I didn't see that about Madara and Obito. Thanks for the info.

Why would something being extremely potent AND completely unique imply that learning about it/mastering it would be easy?

He couldn't have aged a bit afterwards cause he was at the end of his natural lifespan, its most likely that he summoned it and connected himself to the statue in a short period of time.

How Madara got knowledge of the Rinnegan techs doesn't matter since he passed all of that knowledge to Obito.

I never said it was easy, I just said there is no reason to believe Obito can't use both at the same time.