Proof current Kakashi is stronger than alive Itachi(Explanation inside)

[shelke]

I'm only going by feats here, and feats show that Kakashi can handle MS techniques better than Itachi since he can use Kamui more than 6times only starting to feel the strain by the 4th use of it. Itachi on the other hand starts to feel the strain in almost every use

He can? Compare his Kamui to Obito's? He can handle it better? No he can't. The manga says that only a true blood-line wielder can be a master of the said KG. What you're making up goes against everything in the manga. Since the manga says that only a true blood-line user can become the master, then it goes. You cannot alter anything the author has said on this matter. Concentrate on other points if you must, as this is a dead end for your counters.

 

[Bogard]

He can? Compare his Kamui to Obito's? He can handle it better? No he can't. The manga says that only a true blood-line wielder can be a master of the said KG. What you're making up goes against everything in the manga. Since the manga says that only a true blood-line user can become the master, then it goes. You cannot alter anything the author has said on this matter. Concentrate on other points if you must, as this is a dead end for your counters.

Obito has Senju DNA. Neither Kakashi, nor Itachi have it. It's normal he can spamm MS techniques more. What you even forget in the equation is that Itachi's chakra level is lower than Kakashi if we go by databook stats, but you curiously forget to mention it, like you also forget that Itachi was sick when he was alive, so his stamina is obviously lower. I could care less from what manga states if in the fight we see otherwise. Anyway, feats is what is important here. That's why i go by feats. And feats shows that Kakashi can handle MS techniques much more better than Itachi

 

[shelke]

^ Are you seriously going to bring that point again, when I gave you so many links way back that Stamina and Chakra are not even the same thing? You couldn't care less what the manga says? Why are you making this thread and calling it facts then? Just say it's that way because I say so? Heh.

Here they are for your conveinece, again:

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Stamina and Chakra explanations

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- Tree Climbing.

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- Naruto and Sasuke’s Chakra

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- Stamina

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- Chakra uses spiritual energy

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- Kiba’s Pill

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- Naruto talking about focusing his chakra during the fight.

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- Sasuke talking about his Chakra and cursed seal.

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- Orochimaru talking about sucking out physical and spiritual power, aka Stamina/strength and Chakra.

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- Kiba focuses his chakra on his nose for the ability.

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- Sasuke copying Lee’s speed uses up a lot of stamina not chakra.
Thorough explanation of Stamina and Chakra

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- Another explanation of Stamina and Chakra

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- Kakashi talking about Naruto’s Stamina and his Chakra.

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[Bogard]

^ Are you seriously going to bring that point again, when I gave you so many links way back that Stamina and Chakra are not even the same thing? You couldn't care less what the manga says? Why are you making this thread and calling it facts then? Just say it's that way because I say so? Heh.

Here they are for your conveinece, again:

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Stamina and Chakra explanations

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- Tree Climbing.

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- Naruto and Sasuke’s Chakra

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- Stamina

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- Chakra uses spiritual energy

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- Kiba’s Pill

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- Naruto talking about focusing his chakra during the fight.

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- Sasuke talking about his Chakra and cursed seal.

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- Orochimaru talking about sucking out physical and spiritual power, aka Stamina/strength and Chakra.

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- Kiba focuses his chakra on his nose for the ability.

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- Sasuke copying Lee’s speed uses up a lot of stamina not chakra.
Thorough explanation of Stamina and Chakra

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- Another explanation of Stamina and Chakra

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- Kakashi talking about Naruto’s Stamina and his Chakra.

Enjoy.

Feats are facts. Something that someone says is no fact, it's called "his opinion". Do you understand now?
I couldn't read your links back then, and i still can't read them unfortunately. What are they talking about anyway?

 

[shelke]

^ Manga points are facts. Stop it Boggy. By the way, you can easily see the chapter number from the links. Go to the chapters and see the pages. Good luck.

 

[Bogard]

^ Manga points are facts. Stop it Boggy. By the way, you can easily see the chapter number from the links. Go to the chapters and see the pages. Good luck.

Kishimoto is the one creating this manga, and he already stated that Kakashi has greater stamina than Itachi. Please stop continuing to fool yourself

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[shelke]

Stamina and Chakra are not the same thing. They're never implied as the same thing, nor do they work in the same manner. Ninjutsu and Genjutsu draw directly from chakra and Taijutsu from Stamina. The over-all flow chart has more points, but that's the basics of it. Stop with this tom-foolery. Open the chapters and do everyone a giant favour.

 

[Bogard]

Stamina and Chakra are not the same thing. They're never implied as the same thing, nor do they work in the same manner. Ninjutsu and Genjutsu draw directly from chakra and Taijutsu from Stamina. The over-all flow chart has more points, but that's the basics of it. Stop with this tom-foolery. Open the chapters and do everyone a giant favour.

They are not the same thing and i never said they were the same thing, but where does it really change in our case? That's why i say stop fooling yourself, because you create a useless debate. Stamina represents how long someone can last in a fight and it simply shows that Kakashi can last longer

 

[shelke]

Genjutsu and Ninjutsu draw Directly from chakra reserves and Itachi abuses the former. He took on three Jounins and had he wanted to kill Kakashi in Tsukiyomi, he would've done it, but he didn't. Kind of renders your debate null and void at this point.

 

[Lilt]

Sasuke had the same stamina as Kakashi when he fought Itachi, and yet Itachi outlasted Sasuke by a significant margin.

 

[Bogard]

Sasuke had the same stamina as Kakashi when he fought Itachi, and yet Itachi outlasted Sasuke by a significant margin.

Sasuke may be had more chakra, but the only fact to use CS takes a lot of chakra and reduce his stamina greatly so that he can't fight for too long with it like we've seen in part1, plus the fact he needed to conserv some chakra to contain Orochimaru in his body. So overall eventhough Sasuke had more chakra from the start, CS and containing Orochimaru made the thing harder. So normally Sasuke without CS or Orochimaru could fight much more longer

Btw, i think databook states that Sasuke has more chakra than Kakashi

 

[3MESSIAH]

nice thread i believe itachi would win but it would definitely be harder than i first thought after seeing your thread

 

[Konohas Silent Assassin]

I think it was Kabuto dreaming in Izanami, Itachi didn't used that jutsu actually

example of a stuck up person, proof shows him nothing.
izanami was not yet activated and anything done in the izanami is based from what they done but repeated over and over again.

itachi did do that suiton move so just get real,

 

[Jinji]

It was a good post but like everyone else other than pure kakshi fans i disagree.

It's just a fact that Itachi > kakashi.

 

[Hmph]

Great thread, that was an interesting read. I think Kakashi has been potrayed as a better on the fly tactician, while Itachi is significantly superior in genjutsu.

But Kakashi is probably slightly stronger at this point in the manga; I'm not too suprised, he was the sensei of the Naruto and Sasuke. Son of the white fang. Minato was his sensei, and Kakashi is one of therelevant/ main characters. It only makes sense for him to be stronger at this point in the manga.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

example of a stuck up person, proof shows him nothing.
izanami was not yet activated and anything done in the izanami is based from what they done but repeated over and over again.

itachi did do that suiton move so just get real,

actually izanami was already activated, so the water attack was an illusion.
izanami being initiated chapter 581 last page:

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loop completed:

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every thing after that is an illusion. ex:kabuto's horn falling again:

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and the water tech:

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you should go re-read.
Back to topic:kakashi still cant beat itachi. Even so it would still be a good fight(itachi high diff) because when those two fight insead of charging in like idiots they plan ahead extensively making the fight appear to be like a game of chess.(a game kakashi won due to having more pieces last time they clashed)

 

[Boston Rob]

You basically here comparing 1/3 part itachi with kakashi, so probably i agree with this xD

 

[Masked man]

Yeah, I agree.
Kakashi can keep up with Itachi but he must be very careful. Itachi is genius and his ways of cathing to the Genjutsu is very impressive..

 

[hatakii kakashii]

of course he is ..... at this current war kakashi is stronger then itachi

 

[Yashiro]

In part kakkashi was able to beat him bcoz he was not real Itachi and he can't use Mangekyosharingan at that time.So your argument has no validity.

This is correct