The white fang

[VongolaX]

Ah, good save. I thought about looking for the page but wasn't sure which issue to look in.

But yeah, i'm pretty sure SM Naruto could have taken MS Sasuke. With sheer stamina, clones, the Kyuubi, and all the frog back up; Sasuke would be blind before he could win the fight. And keep in mind that SM Naruto took on Pain. He did get a bit of help in that department, but still; does MS Sasuke = Pain? Not at all.

BUT making MS EMS is a different ball game. Totally different scenario with infinite use of MS abilities, as well as stronger versions of them.

Also, Itachi had MS. He didn't want to tangle with Jiraiya.

Not to bee rude but MS took out bee in a last ditch effort, and soloed the kages until he ran out of chakra. SM naruto can't penetrate MS sasuke defenses. He killed danzou who used izangi, which in my case is very durable compared to SM naruto

 

[Artaya]

Not to bee rude but MS took out bee in a last ditch effort, and soloed the kages until he ran out of chakra. SM naruto can't penetrate MS sasuke defenses. He killed danzou who used izangi, which in my case is very durable compared to SM naruto

1. Bee allowed himself to be defeated. They didn't really capture him, remember? He used it as an excuse to leave the village.

2. Sasuke soloed Raikage and it's no sure thing he would have won. When the other Kage arrived, he ran away; had nothing to do with Chakra (keep in mind he fought danzou right after)

3. Danzou was a chump. All he did was undo getting killed over and over, but really he was a terrible fighter. He didn't do jack except get killed, almost like he was just hoping Sasuke would give up. Obito kept talking about OH HERE IT IS DANZOU IS SETTING HIM UP FOR THE FINISHER but we never saw jack.

If Danzou is so much better than SM Naruto, where the fk was he when Pain was destroying his precious village?

 

[VongolaX]

1. Bee allowed himself to be defeated. They didn't really capture him, remember? He used it as an excuse to leave the village.

2. Sasuke soloed Raikage and it's no sure thing he would have won. When the other Kage arrived, he ran away; had nothing to do with Chakra (keep in mind he fought danzou right after)

3. Danzou was a chump. All he did was undo getting killed over and over, but really he was a terrible fighter. He didn't do jack except get killed, almost like he was just hoping Sasuke would give up. Obito kept talking about OH HERE IT IS DANZOU IS SETTING HIM UP FOR THE FINISHER but we never saw jack.

If Danzou is so much better than SM Naruto, where the fk was he when Pain was destroying his precious village?

1. Both were holding back until the mind set was to kill, than it turned into a different story. amatersu still> killerbee....to slow to dodge
2. Yes Raikage would of died, y do u think gaara saved him. Good think u kept in mind that he fought danzo right after because naruto most likely would run out of clones to keep in the sage fountain.
3. Danzou is a chump indeed but he specially designed himself to beat naruto and capture the ninetailes, Danzo new naruto was going to come when pein was destroying the village. Why do you think danzo prevented the messanger frog from telling naruto's location if he was risking konoha from being destroyed? He wanted to keep the nine tailes for himself, even if it means fighting him as well

 

[Artaya]

1. Both were holding back until the mind set was to kill, than it turned into a different story. amatersu still> killerbee....to slow to dodge
2. Yes Raikage would of died, y do u think gaara saved him. Good think u kept in mind that he fought danzo right after because naruto most likely would run out of clones to keep in the sage fountain.
3. Danzou is a chump indeed but he specially designed himself to beat naruto and capture the ninetailes, Danzo new naruto was going to come when pein was destroying the village. Why do you think danzo prevented the messanger frog from telling naruto's location if he was risking konoha from being destroyed? He wanted to keep the nine tailes for himself, even if it means fighting him as well

1. Sasuke didn't solo Bee, he had an entire squad. They never even realized Bee abandoned the fight. Bee could have stomped them effortless with TBB at any time. And the 8 tails is made of pure Chakra, all he has to do to avoid amaterasu is briefly fade out then come back.

2. Raikage would have smashed through Sasuke before he died. Gaara was just preventing him from rashly committing suicide in a fight that, combined, the Kage could have easily won without the pointless sacrifice Raikage was going to make.

3. Danzou could never have beaten Naruto. Pain would have smashed Danzou, laughing his ass off the whole time when Danzou kept coming back to be killed again.

 

[Namikaze Haru]

this is something i fear we will never know but from what is said he was on the sannin level or higher

i think that all three sannin own kakashi unless he uses kamui

i think MS sasuke beats SM naruto
KM/BM naruto beats EMS sasuke

 

[VongolaX]

1. Sasuke didn't solo Bee, he had an entire squad. They never even realized Bee abandoned the fight. Bee could have stomped them effortless with TBB at any time. And the 8 tails is made of pure Chakra, all he has to do to avoid amaterasu is briefly fade out then come back.

2. Raikage would have smashed through Sasuke before he died. Gaara was just preventing him from rashly committing suicide in a fight that, combined, the Kage could have easily won without the pointless sacrifice Raikage was going to make.

3. Danzou could never have beaten Naruto. Pain would have smashed Danzou, laughing his ass off the whole time when Danzou kept coming back to be killed again.

1. where did u see soloed?
2. Kage wouldn't of easily won, they both would of died. Naruto was in Bm when trying to exscape A and he got thrashed
3. Danzou could give naruto hard time without knowledge of inzangai, but i think pein will be on trhe same level as danzo...pein's to overrated.

 

[Artaya]

1. So long as you agree.
2. So you agree. (LoL Naruto wasn't fighting the Raikage was he?)
3. No he couldn't have. Pain isn't overrated, he successfully destroyed Konoha and left its Hokage powerless.

 

[TurrinB]

I don't think Kakashi surpassed his father yet. Also the Sannin qualify in strength as Hokage for sure.

 

[Horus]

Well, i'm not sure why you're so positive they could easily dodge Kamui. But it's weird how your whole explanation seems to suggest that they aren't really equal, but rather Frog > Slug > Snake > Frog. This suggests to me that there styles are radically different, and being able to defeat one is no assurance you could beat any of the others.

They can dodge Kamui because all of them have battle experience. Orochimaru and Tsunade have really to have experience against The Sharingan so they Know how it works. Not that alone but they are hyped to be the best, and the three of them are very fast, Especially Jiraya, Tsunade is fast because of her hype of evasion skills, and oro is fast as demonstrated. Every jutsu Has a weakness

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and when they dodge it, Tsunade will realize that his body has become weak, so she will use this as an advantage. but me saying this doesnt necessarily mean that they could in fact dodge it, because they have never faced the kamui, but im sure tsunade has knowledge on it being the hokage and all. And the Sannin Are equal, according to the logic that kishi implemented in the manga

 

[Artaya]

Dude, same picture you just showed, far right paragraph. "The target can struggle helplessly, but against this technique, no defense is possible. No matter what, the space will distort and draw the target in."

Since we're taking this jutsu at face value based on what this additional information dictates, there is no defense against Kamui. Sorry.

Don't forget that Deidara was moving at high speed; it's practically half of Deidara's prowess, his ability to flee and avoid attacks by flying. He still got hit; and this was early Kakashi, who hadn't 1/5th the mastery he has now.

 

[Horus]

Dude, same picture you just showed, far right paragraph. "The target can struggle helplessly, but against this technique, no defense is possible. No matter what, the space will distort and draw the target in."

Since we're taking this jutsu at face value based on what this additional information dictates, there is no defense against Kamui. Sorry.

Don't forget that Deidara was moving at high speed; it's practically half of Deidara's prowess, his ability to flee and avoid attacks by flying. He still got hit; and this was early Kakashi, who hadn't 1/5th the mastery he has now.

I really wanna see kakashi catch any of the sannin with Kamui, He cannot send the ground to another dimension if Orochimaru sinks into it like he does. He cannot Catch Jiraya because his Toads Can summon Him back And im guessing the same for Tsunade and Her slugs, but she can disable his nervous points or spit poison at him. Personally i think kamui is overrated

 

[Artaya]

I think you're overrating the sannin. And there's never been any indication that you can summon things back from the kamui dimension; you would think that's an exploit they would've used.

 

[Horus]

I think you're overrating the sannin. And there's never been any indication that you can summon things back from the kamui dimension; you would think that's an exploit they would've used.

Look according to the manga, the summoning techniques are a space/time ninjutsu, and they warp animals and objects through a dimensional portal by the use of a summoning contract and blood etc. If jiraya goes to the different dimension then ma and pa toad can reverse summon him back to the real world, where kakashi would be weakened and if he uses the kamui again jiraja can do the same again. Same goes for Tsunade as she is telepathically connected to katsuyu. Orocihmaru can use the same thing, however he is kinda hard to catch so if he goes underground, do you think kakashi can teleport him underground? You underestimate the sannin. THERE IS REASON WHY THEY WERE FEARD WORLDWIDE AND GOING UP AGAINST THEM WOULD BE COMPLETE SUICIDE

 

[apple pie of doom]

I can't say he surpassed his father, seeing we do not know the extend of his fathers abilities.
But to be respected on sannin level I'd say he'd go par to par with them.

Seeing as most of the sannin are fighting at hokage level, we could say his father could as well.

But even without that, Kakashi already is hokage level, we know that much.
And as for what the Sannin have shown us, yes, he'd be able to go on par with them as well, if not defeat most of them.