obito is stronger than madara

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So Tenten>Gai no matter what?

i already righted this wrong lol

 

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nope

why?

 

[Akatsuki wise guy]

the problem madara faces is that madara cannot hit obito with these powerful, chakra draining techs. he cannot counter kamui

Kamui has been countered how many times and what is needed is both speed and power and madara has both.

 

[marriiuuss]

So Tenten>Gai no matter what?

Tenten is a ninja tool, so is not a good comparison. Lee will surpass Gai....definitely! .

 

[Akatsuki wise guy]

Tenten is a ninja tool, so is not a good comparison. Lee will surpass Gai....definitely! .

Your statement implied that your logic applies to everyone which as I showed you it does not.

 

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Kamui has been countered how many times and what is needed is both speed and power and madara has both.

how will he be able to use his speed and raw power in unison? there has only been one person who countered obito's s/t tech and thats minato, how will madara be able to consitantly counter this tech until obito realizes there is no point in doing it any more.

 

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and btw when obito uses wood style again i will be making a thread about it just to prove to you that your wrong.

 

[OnPoint]

Madara does have better control of his senju dna and uchiha and being it's orignal master he could control it. Saying just because obito has it does not mean that madara can't make it his and the statue can re-seal the jinchuuriki.

This is an assumption not supported by anything in the manga. Where does it say Madara can seize control of the Mazō if Obito resists his will? Where? Obito has the Rinnegan along with the blood of a Rikudō now. If you can provide the page which clearly says or implies that Madara can seize control of the statue whilst Obito is willingly holding onto it then i'll happily reconsider the scenario. Don't worry i'll wait.

And madara can counter any rinnegan tech obito uses with his rinnegan and by the way his usage is much more superior in contrast to someone who doesn't to even have the intelligence to use it at all in battle.

You either didn't read my post or you simply did not understand it. There is no counter to a Kamui/Shinra Tensei combo. It doesn't matter if Madara is able to use the Rinnegan at a higher level. Outside of plot, there is nothing which can reasonably overcome Obito remaining intangible for 5 minutes and then defending himself with Shinra Tensei for the briefest of moments whilst Kamui cools down. Kamui is that hax. This is why the manga has emphasised the 'special' kind of strength needed to overcome such a jutsu; it's not just about quantity.

And shinra tensei is nothing in comparison to perfect susanoo. The slash from the susanoo is to fast to even react seeing the distance it can cross. And it is spammable thanks to limitless chakra. And with his wood also chasing obito his 5 min would be up in no time and then he would die.

It doesn't have to be. Is Madara going to sit there and count the seconds before Obito is susceptible to an attack? LOL. You speak as if the Bijuu, which Madara's Perfect Susano'o was compared to (in singular), are simply things which Madara can ignore. His attention would have to be split between both Obito and the beasts, so how will he be able to even pay attention to the degree where he'd be able to strike Obito at the precise moment? It's so unreasonable to claim he'd be able to outside of plot barriers.

I never even said that madara would win simply cause he is madara why did you bother writing about that.

If all of these people found a way around his technique you think madara can't?
And mangareader does not work for everyone.

 

[Akatsuki wise guy]

how will he be able to use his speed and raw power in unison? there has only been one person who countered obito's s/t tech and thats minato, how will madara be able to consitantly counter this tech until obito realizes there is no point in doing it any more.

A susanoo slash is both speed in power in unison. It blitzed the kage a passed a mountain range in a second that's speed. It then destroyed said mountains so that is power. Spamming that would for 5 min is enough.

 

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This is an assumption not supported by anything in the manga. Where does it say Madara can seize control of the Mazō if Obito resists his will? Where? Obito has the Rinnegan along with the blood of a Rikudō now. If you can provide the page which clearly says or implies that Madara can seize control of the statue whilst Obito is willingly holding onto it then i'll happily reconsider the scenario. Don't worry i'll wait.



You either didn't read my post or you simply did not understand it. There is no counter to a Kamui/Shinra Tensei combo. It doesn't matter if Madara is able to use the Rinnegan at a higher level. Outside of plot, there is nothing which can reasonably overcome Obito remaining intangible for 5 minutes and then defending himself with Shinra Tensei for the briefest of moments whilst Kamui cools down. Kamui is that hax. This is why the manga has emphasised the 'special' kind of strength needed to overcome such a jutsu; it's not just about quantity.



It doesn't have to be. Is Madara going to sit there and count the seconds before Obito is susceptible to an attack? LOL. You speak as if the Bijuu, which Madara's Perfect Susano'o was compared to (in singular), are simply things which Madara can ignore. His attention would have to be split between both Obito and the beasts, so how will he be able to even pay attention to the degree where he'd be able to strike Obito at the precise moment? It's so unreasonable to claim he'd be able to outside of plot barriers.

we both said this twice to this guy yet he wont understand. maybe some third gut needs to say it too since three is a magical number and shit.

 

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A susanoo slash is both speed in power in unison. It blitzed the kage a passed a mountain range in a second that's speed. It then destroyed said mountains so that is power. Spamming that would for 5 min is enough.

yes, im sure that obito will not be able to phase into the susanoo that he knows will pose a threat to him. and im sure madara will just wasted all that chakra.

 

[Akatsuki wise guy]

This is an assumption not supported by anything in the manga. Where does it say Madara can seize control of the Mazō if Obito resists his will? Where? Obito has the Rinnegan along with the blood of a Rikudō now. If you can provide the page which clearly says or implies that Madara can seize control of the statue whilst Obito is willingly holding onto it then i'll happily reconsider the scenario. Don't worry i'll wait.



You either didn't read my post or you simply did not understand it. There is no counter to a Kamui/Shinra Tensei combo. It doesn't matter if Madara is able to use the Rinnegan at a higher level. Outside of plot, there is nothing which can reasonably overcome Obito remaining intangible for 5 minutes and then defending himself with Shinra Tensei for the briefest of moments whilst Kamui cools down. Kamui is that hax. This is why the manga has emphasised the 'special' kind of strength needed to overcome such a jutsu; it's not just about quantity.



It doesn't have to be. Is Madara going to sit there and count the seconds before Obito is susceptible to an attack? LOL. You speak as if the Bijuu, which Madara's Perfect Susano'o was compared to (in singular), are simply things which Madara can ignore. His attention would have to be split between both Obito and the beasts, so how will he be able to even pay attention to the degree where he'd be able to strike Obito at the precise moment? It's so unreasonable to claim he'd be able to outside of plot barriers.

When two magnets pull a single piece of metal they the stronger one would get the metal. That is how it would work here. Madara has subjugated hashi's dna to perfection. He could wrestle control of it. The kyuubi was under obito's control but minato broke it. There are many methods to breaking someone's control over something.

That comb is useless when his 5 min run out from spamming. And he is forced to use shinra tensei against what a mountain buster. He will defend himself with an attack with a 5 second interval. He will finally use rinnegan abilities even though he has had so many chances to save himself with it and has not used it once. The slash is both speed and strength. As it can cross and destroy a mountain range in a second. The combo would be defeated.

As I said taking the mazo over would stop this scenario.

Why quote stuff you did not counter.

 

[Akatsuki wise guy]

yes, im sure that obito will not be able to phase into the susanoo that he knows will pose a threat to him. and im sure madara will just wasted all that chakra.

Yes stand in a endless susanoo that will surely cost him his 5 min just to stand in. What a bright idea... the moment his intangibility runs out he would just die.

 

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When two magnets pull a single piece of metal they the stronger one would get the metal. That is how it would work here. Madara has subjugated hashi's dna to perfection. He could wrestle control of it. The kyuubi was under obito's control but minato broke it. There are many methods to breaking someone's control over something.

That comb is useless when his 5 min run out from spamming. And he is forced to use shinra tensei against what a mountain buster. He will defend himself with an attack with a 5 second interval. He will finally use rinnegan abilities even though he has had so many chances to save himself with it and has not used it once. The slash is both speed and strength. As it can cross and destroy a mountain range in a second. The combo would be defeated.

As I said taking the mazo over would stop this scenario.

Why quote stuff you did not counter.

who's to say obito is completely on defense. obito can also use kamui to phase into madara's susanoo and pull him out of it or into his pocket dimension, thus canceling out the susanoo spam. or he can phase into susanoo and use shinra tensei. either scenerio has madara completely vunerable

 

[Akatsuki wise guy]

who's to say obito is completely on defense. obito can also use kamui to phase into madara's susanoo and pull him out of it or into his pocket dimension, thus canceling out the susanoo spam. or he can phase into susanoo and use shinra tensei. either scenerio has madara completely vunerable

You mean teleport to madara. To teleport he has to become tangible which means madara's susanoo can hurt him. And being intangible is useless as madara's susanoo is not hollow and it is not like their is a staircase to madara. And he won't jump all the way to madara as that is mountain sized and he would have no footing. And he only has 5min.

 

[OnPoint]

When two magnets pull a single piece of metal they the stronger one would get the metal. That is how it would work here. Madara has subjugated hashi's dna to perfection. He could wrestle control of it. The kyuubi was under obito's control but minato broke it. There are many methods to breaking someone's control over something.

What do you mean stronger one would get it? Being 'strong' is not a requirement of using Gedō Mazō; having Rikudō blood and the Rinnegan is. 14 year old Obito was in a position where he could use the statue, with his only problem being that he did not have the Rinnegan (which he now has) [

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]. Both Madara and Obito tick the boxes which allow one to control the Mazō, with strength never being indicated as among them. How can you claim that the reason Madara would gain control over it is 'because he was the first to summon it'? Well no shit, he was the first to awaken the Rinnegan & possess both Uchiha & Senju blood (since the Sage of 6 Paths). It doesn't matter if he was the first to summon it if Obito now meets all the requirements. That's like claiming Nagato can use the statue better than Obito because he summoned it before him. Or that Fukasaku and Shima would obey Jiraiya over Naruto because he summoned them first. It doesn't work like that. You say 'wrestle control of it' as if he can make his Rikudō blood or Rinnegan stronger. These things cannot be made more powerful, they just are. But of course, you don't have the page to back up your claims.

That comb is useless when his 5 min run out from spamming. And he is forced to use shinra tensei against what a mountain buster. He will defend himself with an attack with a 5 second interval. He will finally use rinnegan abilities even though he has had so many chances to save himself with it and has not used it once. The slash is both speed and strength. As it can cross and destroy a mountain range in a second. The combo would be defeated.

Yes, because Madara is going to totally ignore the Bijuu completely. The beasts could easily take up a wider version of this kind of formation [

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]. Six Bijuu can be out at any one time, I believe. Obito can make himself the seventh target. Madara's Susano'o only has four arms. At any one time, two Bijuu would be left free to blast Madara with Bijuu Damas (that's if Madara is attacking the other four Bijuu, which you don't seem to think he will). Madara's Susano'o (which was only compared to one Bijuu) would be thrown off of it's rhythm at the very least, and Obito's stopwatch would start again. Be sensible. The combo, which is actually for CQC, wouldn't be defeated by these means or any other you've suggested.

As I said taking the mazo over would stop this scenario.

It's a shame that you have nothing to back up your claims with then.

Why quote stuff you did not counter.

What d'you mean 'why'? I can quote what I like, can I not?

 

[Akatsuki wise guy]

What do you mean stronger one would get it? Being 'strong' is not a requirement of using Gedō Mazō; having Rikudō blood and the Rinnegan is. 14 year old Obito was in a position where he could use the statue, with his only problem being that he did not have the Rinnegan (which he now has) [

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]. Both Madara and Obito tick the boxes which allow one to control the Mazō, with strength never being indicated as among them. How can you claim that the reason Madara would gain control over it is 'because he was the first to summon it'? Well no shit, he was the first to awaken the Rinnegan & possess both Uchiha & Senju blood (since the Sage of 6 Paths). It doesn't matter if he was the first to summon it if Obito now meets all the requirements. That's like claiming Nagato can use the statue better than Obito because he summoned it before him. Or that Fukasaku and Shima would obey Jiraiya over Naruto because he summoned them first. It doesn't work like that. You say 'wrestle control of it' as if he can make his Rikudō blood or Rinnegan stronger. These things cannot be made more powerful, they just are. But of course, you don't have the page to back up your claims.



Yes, because Madara is going to totally ignore the Bijuu completely. The beasts could easily take up a wider version of this kind of formation [

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]. Six Bijuu can be out at any one time, I believe. Obito can make himself the seventh target. Madara's Susano'o only has four arms. At any one time, two Bijuu would be left free to blast Madara with Bijuu Damas (that's if Madara is attacking the other four Bijuu, which you don't seem to think he will). Madara's Susano'o (which was only compared to one Bijuu) would be thrown off of it's rhythm at the very least, and Obito's stopwatch would start again. Be sensible. The combo, which is actually for CQC, wouldn't be defeated by these means or any other you've suggested.



It's a shame that you have nothing to back up your claims with then.



What d'you mean 'why'? I can quote what I like, can I not?

So your saying madara would not be able to do anything to it at all? The mazo is for the most part a mindless obedient creature. Madara should have better control considering he has the all of the requirements and more. He has much more powerful chakra reserves and as seen here

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You can use chakra to control and give the mazo more power and madara with his superior chakra can wrestle control like this. The mazo could be drawn to him.

And you might say that madara has to get close to do that but you see this.

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With that in the mazo Madara can control it through his will or by sending chakra in it to control it just like obito did with the jinchuuriki.

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Then there is the fact madara's rinnegan is his own and obito's is transplanted. The rinnegan can be used to control the mazo and someone who's eyes are actually there's are better than those with transplants as shown with kakashi and itachi.

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Though obito like nagato has the requirements to use it neither have shown to be able to use it on madara's level which proves my point that he could have more control over it.

The mazo under madara's control takes this scenario out.

It's a shame I do.

What point is there if you have nothing to say your wasting space and time.

Case in point madara wins.

 

[Champ]

Kamui is Obito main threat, tho I believe Shinra tensei can play apart in Madara not gettin warped since Obito has to materialize to do it. I might make a thread about it. Tho I doubt the greatest uchiha Madara was worried Obito, if it was this easy to beat him Obito could rebel against him. I wish kishi shows us if the legend get warp can he find his way out of it.

 

[TheTailedSage]

Based on what we have seen from the manga these past couple of weeks, Obito can use nearly every tech that Madara can use aside form susanoo tsuki and ama. Both have access to wood style jutsus, both have access to rinnegan techs, and both have hashis cells which implement godly chakra reserves and life force. Madara may have an edge in overall battle experience and taijutsu, but Obito with his space time tech is what makes him stronger than Madara and a top 10 character in the entire show. Madara has absoulutely no way to counter his s/t tech, only kakashi can truly trump it, but not alone.

Obito is technically useless, gedomazo is defeated, 6 paths got stomped, all he has is kamui and the lowclass danzo equivalent mokuton. If he could use ANY jutsu he would have do so by now

 

[OnPoint]

So your saying madara would not be able to do anything to it at all? The mazo is for the most part a mindless obedient creature. Madara should have better control considering he has the all of the requirements and more. He has much more powerful chakra reserves and as seen here

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He doesn't have all the requirements and more; he just has the requirements. There are no other requirements outside of possessing Rikudō blood and the Rinnegan (nothing else was indicated, canon). There is no better control than what Obito has currently achieved. They're reviving the Jūbi for crying out loud. It doesn't matter how powerful your chakra is (Nagato didn't have naturally 'powerful' chakra like the Uchihas, he simply had a large quantity of it since he comes from the Senju lineage). Having powerful chakra is not a requirement of using Gedō Mazō.

You can use chakra to control and give the mazo more power and madara with his superior chakra can wrestle control like this. The mazo could be drawn to him.

The Mazō was not powered by 7 Bijuu when Nagato used it. That's why it needed his chakra in order to function.

Then there is the fact madara's rinnegan is his own and obito's is transplanted. The rinnegan can be used to control the mazo and someone who's eyes are actually there's are better than those with transplants as shown with kakashi and itachi.

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Though obito like nagato has the requirements to use it neither have shown to be able to use it on madara's level which proves my point that he could have more control over it.

The Rinnegan is the Rinnegan. It doesn't matter if it was transplanted, since Nagato has shown to be able to control the statue by having it. The fact that Obito has Madara's own eyes is all the more reason to believe there is no difference in who the statue would choose to obey. Kakashi wasn't on Itachi's level because he's not an Uchiha :/ Obito is an Uchiha, and using Dōjutsu comes naturally to him (especially considering he had the potential to awaken the Rinnegan without tranplanting eyes). There is no problem for Uchiha when they transplant other Uchiha Dōjutsu, otherwise EMS users wouldn't be able to use their eyes properly, obviously. It's a shame that you can't present the page which shows what level Madara was using the statue it. "neither have shown to be able to use it on madara's level" - Seriously, where the hell did you see Madara even use the Mazō in a battle situation? This is merely yet another assumption.

It's a shame I do.

You think you do yet, sadly, you don't.

What point is there if you have nothing to say your wasting space and time.

Don't get mad because you got found out.