12 Reasons why Itachi is the "most intelligent" ninja. [Debate]

[OnPoint]

Sasuke isn't fueled by hate
in that same scan he says "reuniting with itachi only added to my hatred towards konoha but "

keyword is "but"

itachi's love for konoha prevents this hate from manifesting, as oppose to when he was manipulated by tobi and oro.

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He hates Konoha, like he said. He's just at a point where he doesn't know what to do about it, which is why he wants to go and visit the 'ones who know everything'.

 

[Sexy Steel]

He hates Konoha, like he said. He's just at a point where he doesn't know what to do about it, which is why he wants to go and visit the 'ones who know everything'.

exactly he isn't fueled by hatred but wants to know more about the truth

 

[OnPoint]

exactly he isn't fueled by hatred but wants to know more about the truth

He hates Konoha. It may change in the future if he learns more things.

 

[Sexy Steel]

He hates Konoha.

as i said itachi's love for konoha prevents this hate from manifesting

Sasuke loves - itachi loves -konoha.

he can't destroy what he brother worked for. (safety of konoha)

 

[Lilt]

There's nothing wrong with him hating Konoha given his trauma. Wanting to lash out and kill all of the "innocents" was wrong, but he is no longer intent on doing that, not without getting all the facts first at least. Which is a good change, and something that Orochimaru attributed to Itachi's manipulation, having been subsequent to his own, then Tobi's.

 

[OnPoint]

Loves Itachi. Hates Konoha. Split 50/50 and wants info regarding what he should do next from these unknown people.

 

[Sexy Steel]

Loves Itachi. Hates Konoha. Split 50/50 and wants info regarding what he should do next from these unknown people.

i posted a scan of oro's comment on sasuke's behaviour

he doesn't have intent to kill u make it seem as if he is raging
when he is not but is accessing the situation


his initial hatred was for itachi (erased by tobi)
tobi's manipulation was for sasuke to hate konoha (erased by itachi's protection for konoha)

now both are gone what hate does he have?

 

[OnPoint]

i posted a scan of oro's comment on sasuke's behaviour

he doesn't have intent to kill u make it seem as if he is raging
when he is not but is accessing the situation


his initial hatred was for itachi (erased by tobi)
tobi's manipulation was for konoha (erased by itachi's protection for konoha)

now both are gone what hate does he have?

What are you talking about? The scan I posted already confirmed that he still hates Konoha. It's just that his love for Itachi and his wishes has left him at a crossroads whereby he needs info from the ones who know everything in order to make a decision. When manipulated by Tobi, Sasuke just wasn't taking into account Itachi's wishes - it was just 100% destroy Konoha. Now Itachi has come into play and it's swayed things 50/50. I don't know how you've reached the conclusion that he no longer hates Konoha. He wants to learn everything and then make a final decision.

 

[Sexy Steel]

What are you talking about? The scan I posted already confirmed that he still hates Konoha. It's just that his love for Itachi and his wishes has left him at a crossroads whereby he needs info from the ones who know everything in order to make a decision. When manipulated by Tobi, Sasuke just wasn't taking into account Itachi's wishes - it was just 100% destroy Konoha. Now Itachi has come into play and it's swayed things 50/50. I don't know how you've reached the conclusion that he no longer hates Konoha. He wants to learn everything and then make a final decision.

fine truce for now

 

[Lilt]

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[3MESSIAH]

i dont see how this is necessary....we all knew he was godlike when intelligence is considered

 

[silverflash]

i admit itachi is good,but you are overestimating itachi

minato is more an instant thinker.HIS PLANS are always for situations that happen at the time.
kakashi and shukaku are plain iq people.theyndon't have chakra potential like uchihas
orochimaru on the other hand practically cloned hasirama cells.Currently in series ,i think he is they key to re animation of madara

 

['Nāpalm]

ehhh you might be right.... still he is really smart

 

[Namikaze Haru]

sry but i think in the short time we've seen him minato outsmarts him. he was instantly able to workout obito's kamui and counter it. he can recognise a jutsu's weakness within seconds of seeing it. i love itachi and he is smart but i think minato is smarter. he was afterall said to be a genius that comes once in a lifetime.

 

[Namikaze Haru]

Minato was more dehyped.

the only character he actually defeated turns out to be a 14 yr old.
and despite it being his own student he still suspected it was madara and obito didn't even have to try and fool him.

obito fooled everyone INCLUDING itachi, the ONLY people who were not fully convinced were kakashi and yahiko. kabuto worked it out after finding madara's DNA.

and the 14 yr old minato defeated is now fighting on a par with naruto/kurama, bee/gyuki, kakashi and guy.

 

[tristan]

LOL BIASED....

kakashi and minato even more had analysis feats than itachi...

 

[TurrinB]

Kakashi has out smarted Itachi before pulling Bushin Fients off on him. Kakashi was compared to Shikkamaru in intelligence & we know Shikkamaru's father is smarter than him. So that's 3 characters more intelligent than Itachi. I'd guess Minato is as well. Granted Itachi makes top 5 still.

 

[YellowFang]

Not as a whole as there are many aspects combined for being a true intelligent...
Minato and Kakashi also are notable geniuses in the series. Different person use different method to use his intelligent and even if they are equal in general the way of using intelligence puts them higher or lower...
Minato testify his opponent not more than a couple of times and use his basic knowledge and logic to deduce his weaknesses and strengths...
Itachi first analyze his opponent formulate a plan and then test him IF not successful then he goes back to step 1(no. of execution steps increased)
Kakashi using his knowledge and skills constantly tests his opponent until his opponent virtually starts telling Kakashi his strengths and weaknesses and after a complete fool-proof analysis, Kakashi strikes(no. of execution steps more increased)

In this way, Minato should be better and he IS...U_U

 

[Namikaze Haru]

Not as a whole as there are many aspects combined for being a true intelligent...
Minato and Kakashi also are notable geniuses in the series. Different person use different method to use his intelligent and even if they are equal in general the way of using intelligence puts them higher or lower...
Minato testify his opponent not more than a couple of times and use his basic knowledge and logic to deduce his weaknesses and strengths...
Itachi first analyze his opponent formulate a plan and then test him IF not successful then he goes back to step 1(no. of execution steps increased)
Kakashi using his knowledge and skills constantly tests his opponent until his opponent virtually starts telling Kakashi his strengths and weaknesses and after a complete fool-proof analysis, Kakashi strikes(no. of execution steps more increased)

In this way, Minato should be better and he IS...U_U

couldn't have put it better in any other way

 

[Sexy Steel]

Not as a whole as there are many aspects combined for being a true intelligent...
Minato and Kakashi also are notable geniuses in the series. Different person use different method to use his intelligent and even if they are equal in general the way of using intelligence puts them higher or lower...
Minato testify his opponent not more than a couple of times and use his basic knowledge and logic to deduce his weaknesses and strengths...
Itachi first analyze his opponent formulate a plan and then test him IF not successful then he goes back to step 1(no. of execution steps increased)
Kakashi using his knowledge and skills constantly tests his opponent until his opponent virtually starts telling Kakashi his strengths and weaknesses and after a complete fool-proof analysis, Kakashi strikes(no. of execution steps more increased)

In this way, Minato should be better and he IS...U_U

that has only happened with sasuke in actual battles he has been successful every time, minato's gamble just played in his favour plus he already got a prophecy from the Jiraiya that naruto would be the child of prophecy

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This intelligence feats shouldn't be judged on planning feat alone because there are many things wrong with this.
First of all though both minato and itachi are genius one was 13 when he formatted his plan whilst the other though we dont know the age when he died, he was significantly older than itachi when he came up with his plan. To put it simple, life experience is what minato had over itachi when he planned naruto's life. Itachi at 21 has gained enough life experience to note that what he did as a kid was wrong. Asuma who isnt hailed as a genius wouldve formatted a better plan than 13 year old itachi because he isnt naive, though not a genius like itachi, he has life experience.

Secondly when itachi has been put in a tight corner by danzo, there was hardly anything to work with. Dying by sasuke's hards at that time seemed the most logical thing for itachi to plan.

Thirdly having a fortune teller help you with your plan always help, something that alot of people seem to forget. Minato's whole plan was based on something that jiraiya told him, and jiraiya got this info by the great toad sage himself.

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^^ That is something people forget. Sure minato showed great intelligence in knowing that he might not be the 'savour' that jiraiya thought he was, but rather he took a gamble, yes that is what it was a gamble into believing that its not him, but rather his son is the savour that jiraiya was talking about and not him, thats when he then proceeded with his actions into sealing the fox's chakra into naruto. You simply cannot ignore the fact that minato had a massive tip off from jiraiya when he came up with his plan Whether Minato wouldve still went on with his actions without knowing the info jiraiya gave him is very unlikely because all his actions were heavily based on this piece of info he got

To simply base this on planning feats is too vague. Anyway these type of threads are always subjective and opinionated. There is no right or wrong answer

we got a life story of the 4th hokage so we where able to see things from his point of view which futher expanded his analytic skills

itachi never had this in terms of him fighting battles.