Tobi removed the flowers from one of the bottles on Rin's grave stone which was probably put by kakashi when he was there and while trowing it he summons the kyuubi . if you look at it closely its like a gesture in regards to the action he is about to do ?Did you figure out or did anyone reply? I also do not know what he was doing? :L
Well Said. This is what has been bothering me about not just this chapter, but the entire series.Madara's awesome, well thought out plan lol:
1. He had to get killed by Hirashima in order to even start it, requiring that he be resurrected later.
2. But the act of getting killed by Hirashima, he ended up stuck in an underground cavern tethered to cells made from the guy he hated most of all.
3. His only ability to interact with the world was from clones made from cells of the guy he hated most of all.
4. He would have been completely and utterly unable to accomplish even STEP ONE of his plan without the utterly random, completely chance-based event of Obito getting crushed into a tunnel right where Madara was trapped.
5. He had to rely completely on luck that Obito would buy into his ideology.
6. He also had to rely completely on the actions of OTHER people in order to convince Obito to follow him (IE Kakashi had to kill Rin, the Rain ninja had to attack them, yadda yadda).
7. He stuck his eyes into Nagato (WHEN?!?!?) as a means of resurrecting himself, but had NO plan to get Nagato to come around to wanting to rez him. For all we know, Nagato was going to use Gedo Mazo to blow up cities and couldn't have cared less about Madara.
8. He had to get all the Bijju, but had no plan on how to do it.
9. His minion did a bunch of crap that was directly against the Moon Eye Plan (attacking Konoha, not teleporting around & stealing the Bijju, et al...).
10. The 'plan' ASSUMED they wouldn't be able to catch all the Bijju, and set up a whole WAR to serve as nothing but bait to lure out the last Bijju...
11. BUUUUUT... The whole "war" distraction hinged entirely on the completely random event of Kabuto joining up, capturing Yamato, powering up the Zetsus, and supplying a bunch of Edo Tensei zombies. Otherwise the Zetsu armies would have been utterly annihilated by the Alliance.
12. Also required was the totally random event of Kabuto supplying Ginkaku and Kinkaku 9-Tail chakra.
13. Also required the totally random event of getting ahold of a Hachibi tentacle.
And frankly, I'm not even getting started. Madara's "plan" was (and IS) a complete, total, 100% fluster-cuck of absolute random bullcrap totally lining at the just the right time, as well as wholly UNINVOLVED persons doing exactly what Madara would have wanted in the most intricate way possible of their own volition with no prompting or influence of any kind.
It's stupid writing on a level that quite frankly I don't think I've ever even SEEN before...
...and I've read the first chapter of "Eragon". (rimshot)
Kishimoto changed a lot over the course of the manga.
The new generation surpassing the previous seems like a joke for me, but it's up to how you interpret that line.
Part 1 no longer holds any meaning, since it doesn't fit with the current events or rather with Part 2 anymore.
The fight between Hiruzen vs. Orochimaru is nothing more than an below average Jounin battle
Hashirama leveled up to a god during Part 2
Hiruzen, who was said to be the strongest of the 5 Kages, is nowhere near the level of Oonoki, Gaara, A and probably Mei
Madara's awesome, well thought out plan lol:
1. He had to get killed by Hirashima in order to even start it, requiring that he be resurrected later.
2. But the act of getting killed by Hirashima, he ended up stuck in an underground cavern tethered to cells made from the guy he hated most of all.
3. His only ability to interact with the world was from clones made from cells of the guy he hated most of all.
4. He would have been completely and utterly unable to accomplish even STEP ONE of his plan without the utterly random, completely chance-based event of Obito getting crushed into a tunnel right where Madara was trapped.
5. He had to rely completely on luck that Obito would buy into his ideology.
6. He also had to rely completely on the actions of OTHER people in order to convince Obito to follow him (IE Kakashi had to kill Rin, the Rain ninja had to attack them, yadda yadda).
7. He stuck his eyes into Nagato (WHEN?!?!?) as a means of resurrecting himself, but had NO plan to get Nagato to come around to wanting to rez him. For all we know, Nagato was going to use Gedo Mazo to blow up cities and couldn't have cared less about Madara.
8. He had to get all the Bijju, but had no plan on how to do it.
9. His minion did a bunch of crap that was directly against the Moon Eye Plan (attacking Konoha, not teleporting around & stealing the Bijju, et al...).
10. The 'plan' ASSUMED they wouldn't be able to catch all the Bijju, and set up a whole WAR to serve as nothing but bait to lure out the last Bijju...
11. BUUUUUT... The whole "war" distraction hinged entirely on the completely random event of Kabuto joining up, capturing Yamato, powering up the Zetsus, and supplying a bunch of Edo Tensei zombies. Otherwise the Zetsu armies would have been utterly annihilated by the Alliance.
12. Also required was the totally random event of Kabuto supplying Ginkaku and Kinkaku 9-Tail chakra.
13. Also required the totally random event of getting ahold of a Hachibi tentacle.
And frankly, I'm not even getting started. Madara's "plan" was (and IS) a complete, total, 100% fluster-cuck of absolute random bullcrap totally lining at the just the right time, as well as wholly UNINVOLVED persons doing exactly what Madara would have wanted in the most intricate way possible of their own volition with no prompting or influence of any kind.
It's stupid writing on a level that quite frankly I don't think I've ever even SEEN before...
...and I've read the first chapter of "Eragon". (rimshot)
Kishimoto changed a lot over the course of the manga.
The new generation surpassing the previous seems like a joke for me, but it's up to how you interpret that line.
Part 1 no longer holds any meaning, since it doesn't fit with the current events or rather with Part 2 anymore.
The fight between Hiruzen vs. Orochimaru is nothing more than an below average Jounin battle
Hashirama leveled up to a god during Part 2
Hiruzen, who was said to be the strongest of the 5 Kages, is nowhere near the level of Oonoki, Gaara, A and probably Mei
I can't believe that you still believe tobi is not obito!!!!! IT MAKES PERFECT SENSE. JUST BECAUSE IT DIDN'T GO THE WAY YOU THINK DOESN'T MAKE IT CORRECT OVER WHAT THE WRITER SAYS ITS HIS STORY SO SUCK IT UP AND DEAL WITH IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ALL IT SHOWS IS THAT YOUR IMMATURE AND U CAN'T HANDEL THAT IT WON'T GO YOUR WAY IT'S STUPID AND SOUNDS LIKE A 2 YEAR OLDI'm still against obito being tobi. I don't like the plot turn. But I'm enjoying watching kishi explain how it all came to pass. I wonder if kakashi can stand against tobi and if naruto can stand against madaras edo. Scary stuff for sure...
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:ghehe: And you sound like a little kid throwing a temper tantrum over something so trivial if he wants to be delusional let him be U_U plus I find no reason for you to spam using caps. So Before you go accusing someone being a 2 year old please take a good look at yourself since you seem to be acting immature youself.I can't believe that you still believe tobi is not obito!!!!! IT MAKES PERFECT SENSE. JUST BECAUSE IT DIDN'T GO THE WAY YOU THINK DOESN'T MAKE IT CORRECT OVER WHAT THE WRITER SAYS ITS HIS STORY SO SUCK IT UP AND DEAL WITH IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ALL IT SHOWS IS THAT YOUR IMMATURE AND U CAN'T HANDEL THAT IT WON'T GO YOUR WAY IT'S STUPID AND SOUNDS LIKE A 2 YEAR OLD
Obito doesn't know why, so why do you expect that to be in obito's flashback?Is Kishimoto really not gonna explain why Kakashi killed Rin? Lol
1. He's black zetsu,i really liked the but there are still too many things left unkniwn and now that the flashbacks are over, probably wont be explained anymore..
1. what happend to the spiral one?
2. how did obito know where exactly naruto was born?
3. how did he get the knowledge to break the sealing on kushina?
4. why the name "tobi" and since when??
Anyway, concerning nagato, he probably joined when yahiko died where he raged and summoned GM, after seeing what he is capable of, he may thought tobi was right and turned his back on yahikos idea.. would also explain why he didnt resurrected him. Yahiko wouldnt have been on their side anyways.
Still want to learn more about Nagatos past.. i want to see everything
Btw, yahiko is awesome, great leader. kind of ironic that yahiko also represented the pain grp and was used as the leader of amegakure after he defeated hanzou.
btw, why killing hanzou in the first place? just to spread fear and get respected by the people?