Misconceptions about those who died

[RinneArtist]

Spoilers!

Nagato/Pein- Naruto did not defeat Nagato nor Pain, the Ninetails/using Chibaku Tensei caused him to eat up to much chakra which later caused Pain to fall. The second fight with Nagato, Itachi (with info from Naruto and after watching and analyzing what everyone else was doing/failing) Sealed Nagato.

Deidara-Sasuke merely fought him to a standstill and was out of chakra/options. Deidara killed himself

Sasori -(this goes out to all you Sakura fans) Sasori wanted to kill himself in the embrace of his parents as stated by Lady Chiyo "he could have avoided them but chose not to" if anyone gets credit for that entire fight it's Lady Chiyo with human puppet/antidote sakura.

Itachi - Itachi's death was played out and he intended to die. Sasuke by no means killed him or even stood a chance at that point in time. I believe it was Tobi who said, "If he had truly wanted to kill you, you'd be dead" This also brings up the point did Itachi lets Sasuke break through Tsukuyomi? Because if he intended to die/lose then why did he cast Tsukuyomi in the first Place?

Kakazu - By the time Naruto had entered the battle against Kakazu he was already severely weakened and low on Chakra (as well as missing a few hearts). Kakazu was killed by Kakashi (killed a heart), Shikamaru (planning/killed a heart), Ino(distraction), Chogi (distraction), Naruto (haxxed three hearts), and Yamato (Distraction/saved People).

Orochimaru - Sasuke does get some credit for sealing him inside himself but theres no way he can take on full power Oro, some of this kill goes to Hiruzen. Let us not forget Itachi Sealing him away for what we thought was forever.

Kisame - Yeah... Might Guy defeated him which lead to his capture/suicide so Might Guy for this one.

Kabuto - Though Sasuke was there he did not defeat Kabuto. Itachi tried to keep him away and had to protect him most of the fight but Sasuke did lend a hand in distractions so this defeat would likely be Itachi with some help from Sasuke.

Hidan - Stupidity

Konan - Haxxx

Tobi - Obito

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[DeadManWonderLand]

Spoilers!

Nagato/Pein- Naruto did not defeat Nagato nor Pain, the Ninetails/using Chibaku Tensei caused him to eat up to much chakra which later caused Pain to fall. The second fight with Nagato, Itachi (with info from Naruto and after watching and analyzing what everyone else was doing/failing) Sealed Nagato.

Deidara-Sasuke merely fought him to a standstill and was out of chakra/options. Deidara killed himself

Sasori -(this goes out to all you Sakura fans) Sasori wanted to kill himself in the embrace of his parents as stated by Lady Chiyo "he could have avoided them but chose not to" if anyone gets credit for that entire fight it's Lady Chiyo with human puppet/antidote sakura.

Itachi - Itachi's death was played out and he intended to die. Sasuke by no means killed him or even stood a chance at that point in time. I believe it was Tobi who said, "If he had truly wanted to kill you, you'd be dead" This also brings up the point did Itachi lets Sasuke break through Tsukuyomi? Because if he intended to die/lose then why did he cast Tsukuyomi in the first Place?

Kakazu - By the time Naruto had entered the battle against Kakazu he was already severely weakened and low on Chakra (as well as missing a few hearts). Kakazu was killed by Kakashi (killed a heart), Shikamaru (planning/killed a heart), Ino(distraction), Chogi (distraction), Naruto (haxxed three hearts), and Yamato (Distraction/saved People).

Orochimaru - Sasuke does get some credit for sealing him inside himself but theres no way he can take on full power Oro, some of this kill goes to Hiruzen. Let us not forget Itachi Sealing him away for what we thought was forever.

Kisame - Yeah... Might Guy defeated him which lead to his capture/suicide so Might Guy for this one.

Kabuto - Though Sasuke was there he did not defeat Kabuto. Itachi tried to keep him away and had to protect him most of the fight but Sasuke did lend a hand in distractions so this defeat would likely be Itachi with some help from Sasuke.

Hidan - Stupidity

Konan - Haxxx

Tobi - Obito

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[GUCC1GU1LTY]

You have some of them right but sasuke fid kill deidara, wether ppl believe it or not, Sasuke Pushed deidara to his limits & deidara even had help from tobi & yet he still looses smh Sasuke>Deidara

& Kisame was ganged up on so of course he lost, fought killer bee smh & he lost his sword... Kisame>Killer bee Kisame>Guy

 

[Vandenre1ch]

True *****.

Naruto still lost when he fought Pain.

Kisame didnt have samehada although he'd still lose.

Kabuto had the enviroment advantage, Itachi was an edo,wanted Sasuke alive and was 2v1 and he still killed Itachi 3 times and almost caught Sasuke.

 

[GUCC1GU1LTY]

If guy can survive a tailed beast lariat then your saying kisame cant suvive a blow from gates?

 

[DeadManWonderLand]

You have some of them right but sasuke fid kill deidara, wether ppl believe it or not, Sasuke Pushed deidara to his limits & deidara even had help from tobi & yet he still looses smh Sasuke>Deidara

& Kisame was ganged up on so of course he lost, fought killer bee smh & he lost his sword... Kisame>Killer bee Kisame>Guy

Do you read the manga at all ?Deidara killed himself and sasuke had nowhere to run and used manda to escape the blast this is a fact deal with it plus kisame was not ganged up on he fought guy alone with home field advantage something else you need to deal with

 

[Vandenre1ch]

If guy can survive a tailed beast lariat then your saying kisame cant suvive a blow from gates?

Kisame blocked lariat using samehada but it caused samehada to cut a chunk of Kisame's chest off.

 

[BlackBomber]

You have some of them right but sasuke fid kill deidara, wether ppl believe it or not, Sasuke Pushed deidara to his limits & deidara even had help from tobi & yet he still looses smh Sasuke>Deidara

& Kisame was ganged up on so of course he lost, fought killer bee smh & he lost his sword... Kisame>Killer bee Kisame>Guy

no he wasn't he fought guy 1 on 1 and lost and bee blew his chest off but he fused with samehada and got the upper hand

 

[DeadManWonderLand]

If guy can survive a tailed beast lariat then your saying kisame cant suvive a blow from gates?

Kisame was alive because guy wanted him alive or he would of killed him then and there while standing over him in the ocean

 

[GUCC1GU1LTY]

Kisame blocked lariat using samehada but it caused samehada to cut a chunk of Kisame's chest off.

Well he survived didnt he? So whatss your point

 

[Kurama2012]

my god naruto beat pain get over it you can make all the excuses all you want plus kyuubi is apart of naruto i bet if you asked kishimoto he would say naruto beat pain

also sasuke beat deidara as deidara went for an all out kill but sasuke avoided it so yeah sasuke beat deidara not kill beat

the sasori fight was a joint effort from both chiyo and sakura true chiyo knew more but thats because its hard fighting a puppet master like sasori with out experiance so dont go diminishing sakuras efforts

cant argue on itaichis part

fair enought with kakauzu being in a bad situation but wasnt naruto exharsted from training to do an s rank jutsu so it was a bit even there

the oro thing sasuke states himself if it wasnt for his condition he wouldnt have won

the others cant argue

 

[Dreckerplayer]

I agree with everything except kakuzu's death. Naruto's jutsu can completely destroy ANY opponent if hit directly(Unless you're a tailed beast)

regardless if he was weakened or not, he still had more than one heart(Most people have 1 heart anyways)

Rasen shurikan slices the opponent on CELLULAR level(As stated by tsunade)

it doesn't matter what condition you're in, as long as you're not some sort of extraterrestrial being, if you're weakened, have less the 5 hearts, then you will die from a direct hit.

 

[GUCC1GU1LTY]

Do you read the manga at all ?Deidara killed himself and sasuke had nowhere to run and used manda to escape the blast this is a fact deal with it plus kisame was not ganged up on he fought guy alone with home field advantage something else you need to deal with

It dosnt matter if sasuke used manda to escape the explosion, he still won, thats like saying pain only beat jiriaya because of summonings

Kisame fought one major battle & after that battle he had another with no recovery time so you can say he was playing survival fighting his next opponent wotg 1/4 of his health, i guess thats fair right?

& let me ask you this, why did deidara commit suicide???

 

[DeadManWonderLand]

Kisame blocked lariat using samehada but it caused samehada to cut a chunk of Kisame's chest off.

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where does it state that semehada was the reason for his injury ?
I think you should re read that scene you seem to be confused on the matter it was bee who caused the injury

 

[GUCC1GU1LTY]

no he wasn't he fought guy 1 on 1 and lost and bee blew his chest off but he fused with samehada and got the upper hand

Nope nope, killer bee lost because the raikage showed up smdh

& after merly escaped, he had to fight guy with 1/4 of hhis health, wasnt a fair fight

 

[GUCC1GU1LTY]

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where does it state that semehada was the reason for his injury ?
I think you should re read that scene you seem to be confused on the matter it was bee who caused the injury

he STILL survived it, & he immediatly healed it off with sadahama like it was nothing

 

[GUCC1GU1LTY]

Im done & over with this thread smfh

 

[DeadManWonderLand]

It dosnt matter if sasuke used manda to escape the explosion, he still won, thats like saying pain only beat jiriaya because of summonings

Kisame fought one major battle & after that battle he had another with no recovery time so you can say he was playing survival fighting his next opponent wotg 1/4 of his health, i guess thats fair right?

& let me ask you this, why did deidara commit suicide???

Your wrong again because is sasuke used the summoning to battle him that would be a different story but he didn't he used him as a shield because he could not reach him in the sky to stop the blast nor could he prevent it himself or run away from it.He won in a sense that he lived to tell the tale he did not bring deidara down himself he was out of chakra and sacraficed another life to survive
How can you be so dense ?

No he recovered and if you somehow want to deny that due to your dense thick skull he also regained his chakra back when he absorbed motoi's,bee's and the jonin who were there at the falls of truth before fighting gai.Try actually reading the manga so you know what your talking about

 

[Guilty as Sin]

I agree with most of your observations; nothing that hasn't already been said though.

Also, to add onto what you said about Pain, it's also important to mention that Pain was trying to capture Naruto, which is extremely more difficult than simply setting out to kill someone. If his intentions were to kill, then the battle would've gone differently.

I don't agree with your assessment of Deidara's death. Deidara killing himself means defeat. If you acknowledge that Kisame's death, which was also suicide, counted towards Guy who pushed him to that point, then logically you should also consider Deidara's death as a defeat to Sasuke, who also pushed him to that point. I say Sasuke earned that one fair and square.

Also, Kakuzu died because he underestimated Naruto, not because he was "tired". One Rasenshuriken could've conceivablydefeated a healthy Kakuzu right off that bat, destroying all four hearts. This one, for me, is debatable, but I think that Kakuzu's death was fair.

Hidan didn't die because of his stupidity or his anger. If anything, he died because Shikamaru outsmarted both Hidan and Kakuzu. Hidan's personality might have come into play, but that just means Hidan lost because he was Hidan. I don't count this one either.

Konan died fair and square. You're starting to get lazy with your list. Where is the misconception with Konan? She analyzed Tobi's jutsu, but failed to take into account his Izanagi. That was her downfall.

As far as Kabuto goes, I'm not sure if Kabuto is even dead. Besides, this shouldn't count either. Like Pain's battle, Sasuke and Itachi weren't trying to kill Kabuto, they were trying to make him stop the edo tensei. Everything else about who could kill who is speculation. So in this sense you're right: It would be wrong to say that Itachi could solo Kabuto because 1) He had help and 2) He wasn't trying to kill. But I don't think anyone would use this fight as evidence that Itachi could solo Kabuto anyway, so it seems like you're just putting up straw mans and bringing them down.

 

[DeadManWonderLand]

he STILL survived it, & he immediatly healed it off with sadahama like it was nothing

that was not your point nor was it mine i am simply correcting you on your false statement about semehada being the one to cause the injury