Minato, Jman, Kakashi and the Third Hokage

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While it's obvious that all are superior shinobi, that loved and admired their students, but something they each failed at was reaching all their students in return.

Third Hokage loved Orochimaru just as much as the village, more. He believed in he more than anytime and than couldn't do anything once he became aware of his ways, and let him flee knowing he will eventually take revenge. However, Orochimaru showed no remorse while fighting him, and to make things worse forced him to fight two men that he grow up admiring (1st n 2nd Hokage). Orochimaru seriously did any and every to hurt the third in return.

Minato may not have shown as much sensitivity for Obito, but it's obvious he cared for his students deeply. On the other hand, Obito not only was willing to kill him, but his wife and child.

Jman obviously has great love for Nagato, even declaring him as the savior of the ninja world. Yet, Nagato had no problem tearing him apart mentally and physically.

Kakashi favored sasuke and took him under his wing, basicially being a new big bro. Only for sasuke to spit him his face and attempt to kill with a simple arrow as if he was a bug.

now what made this students lose to the point that they had no care in the world for their teachers?? The lost of another?? Knowing that is the life of the shinobi!

With this I agree with Tobi's plan to make peace amongst everyone, where there will be no worry of a crazy student losing it and killing everyone in his way. #teamTobi #teamMadara for me.
 

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Yes your right, they all failed in some form or another as sensei's and mentors, but I think in the end the true savior of the world, that being Naruto will reach them all, like he did with Nagato.

Naruto has already proven that there is still good, and that he can bear the hate and save these people.
 

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Hm interesting thread, and you really gave good points :)
Thanks, but what is your take on it all??

Yes your right, they all failed in some form or another as sensei's and mentors, but I think in the end the true savior of the world, that being Naruto will reach them all, like he did with Nagato.

Naruto has already proven that there is still good, and that he can bear the hate and save these people.
But that one person can't change eveyone, while there are things the cant be talked out of. Nagato wasn't ment to be the bad guy, but than there are cases like Orochimaru, who Naurto can't change who are comsumed by greed
 

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this is true but orochi didnt kill because of a loved one
he did! Orochimaru lost his parents and witnessed Tsuande lost her loved ones, this than drove his need to be immortal. Now, from this his need of greed emerged and he lost it, so it all started from the same thing.
 

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good points, I am also on team Obito/Madara because with the moon eye plan they can create a truly perfect world w/o the worrie of anyone going on a rampage sor what ever so reasion. :)
 

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they were so overcome by pain,they just didnt care about them anymore...like obito said
this, yet i found it odd how nagato still was able to show remorse for Konan. Usually as we've seen from the other three, they can even careless about those they consider close to them after the fact (kabuto, Madara, Karin)
 

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Huge misconception that J-man failed...

The old geezer toad sage said it himself. Jirayas students together were the child of prophecy. Nagato HAD to kill J-man for J-man NOT to fail. Only by making Naruto suffer true and deep hatred, Naruto could learn what hate really is, and how to deal with it. J-man made the book that guided both of them. Naruto learned hatred, and he learned to forgive. The 2 most important things for the true savior. J-man just fulfilled his prophecy U_U Besides you can't say he led minato down the wrong path U_U

Minato also didn't really fail, kakashi, however, is a different story.. he is the cause of obitos madness (tho probably planned by madara).
 

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are you trying to blame the teachers for their students actions? lol


the reason why obito, oro, nagato, sasuke turned out "evil" is due to the nature of the world. it is beyond one persons control. this has hardly anything to do with teachers and students. this is more about the the cycle of war and peace
 

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Huge misconception that J-man failed...

The old geezer toad sage said it himself. Jirayas students together were the child of prophecy. Nagato HAD to kill J-man for J-man NOT to fail. Only by making Naruto suffer true and deep hatred, Naruto could learn what hate really is, and how to deal with it. J-man made the book that guided both of them. Naruto learned hatred, and he learned to forgive. The 2 most important things for the true savior. J-man just fulfilled his prophecy U_U Besides you can't say he led minato down the wrong path U_U

Minato also didn't really fail, kakashi, however, is a different story.. he is the cause of obitos madness (tho probably planned by madara).
they failed from having an emotional bond with their students. thus if they had emotional bond with their teachers (as students usually do) things would have been different. Even if they were to turn evil, they would have at least shown some remorse towards those they loved. This didnt occur at all.

are you trying to blame the teachers for their students actions? lol


the reason why obito, oro, nagato, sasuke turned out "evil" is due to the nature of the world. it is beyond one persons control. this has hardly anything to do with teachers and students. this is more about the the cycle of war and peace
exacty! everyone in the shinobi world experiences this affect of losing a loved one. However, these three really lost it because they had no emotional attachment to their teachers.
 

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Enforce Moon's eye plan on everyone, despite losing any form of freedom for themselves.
Morally wrong and unfair.

How will a person learn to understand if they can't accept?
Strive and survive, you become wiser through that.
You don't " live " when someone gives you everything on a silver platter (Moon's eye plan), you're just surviving but not moving forward.
Just my opinion...
 
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