Are we witnessing Madara's prime?

[Djokovic]

No, I dont. As I said earlier, this is an artificial "prime" that was created by Kabuto through unnatural means.

A person's true prime is only considered when said person was alive and used a natural means to gain their power.

Stop watching Naruto.

 

[KingHashirama]

Did you made that up? What if we talk about bleach? Shinigami's are dead so how can we determine their prime?
It seems to me people dont really know what prime is. Prime simply describes the best state a person has ever been.

And if we talk about bleach.. They can die also, even when they are "dead" and they live in a realm that is not with the living.. Again, Madara is a dead zombie.. He is not alive.. period.

 

[fastrthnwind]

Stop watching Naruto.

What? Are you suddenly hurt just because I dont agree with you? Get over it. Not everyone in the world has to agree with your ideas.

 

[Djokovic]

And if we talk about bleach.. They can die also, even when they are "dead" and they live in a realm that is not with the living.. Again, Madara is a dead zombie.. He is not alive.. period.

Can you find me a link where even one translator mentions the "living". Prime desribes when a person is at his best, not age or anything else you mentioned. Some sports/events do require alot of expereince/age to compete with others.

 

[Djokovic]

What? Are you suddenly hurt just because I dont agree with you? Get over it. Not everyone in the world has to agree with your ideas.

Fine, I will explain meself. You said true prime is achieved by natural means. It's laughable when I think of Sasuke, Obito, Orochimaru, Naruto and sooo many others, even the so called "prime" Madara you call has obtained power this way.

 

[fastrthnwind]

Fine, I will explain meself. You said true prime is achieved by natural means. It's laughable when I think of Sasuke, Obito, Orochimaru, Naruto and sooo many others, even the so called "prime" Madara you call has obtained power this way.

I figured that you would be considering this. Anyways, things like transplanting a sharingan/senju DNA would be considered unnatural depending on the circumstances. If its without the person's consent, and only used as a way to gain more power then it is a form of artificial enhancments.

There are certain circumstances, however, when that it is considered ok due to it being necessary in order for a person to continue their natural growth.

Such instances would be like kakashi receiving the sharingan from Obito. Without an eye, he would be at a serious disadvantage against other ninja, so therefore, because Obito offered for him to use his eye to help him, he was able to continue to become stronger naturally with the added benefit that the sharingan grants him. Now, with this added benefit there is also a side effect to this. Because Kakashi is not an uchiha, the sharingan drains him much more quickly than usual, making it a jutsu that he can only use as a last resort.

As you can see, in order for a specific alteration to qualify as natural, it must be: done through the user's consent, done as a way to cover for a severe handicap that one would normally have without it when confronting any normal shinobi such as an injury/illness, and it must also have an equally heavy drawback that keeps the user from taking advantage of its benefits too often.

 

[Djokovic]

I figured that you would be considering this. Anyways, things like transplanting a sharingan/senju DNA would be considered unnatural depending on the circumstances. If its without the person's consent, and only used as a way to gain more power then it is a form of artificial enhancments.

There are certain circumstances, however, when that it is considered ok due to it being necessary in order for a person to continue their natural growth.

Such instances would be like kakashi receiving the sharingan from Obito. Without an eye, he would be at a serious disadvantage against other ninja, so therefore, because Obito offered for him to use his eye to help him, he was able to continue to become stronger naturally with the added benefit that the sharingan grants him. Now, with this added benefit there is also a side effect to this. Because Kakashi is not an uchiha, the sharingan drains him much more quickly than usual, making it a jutsu that he can only use as a last resort.

As you can see, in order for a specific alteration to qualify as natural, it must be: done through the user's consent, done as a way to cover for a severe handicap that one would normally have without it when confronting any normal shinobi such as an injury/illness, and it must also have an equally heavy drawback that keeps the user from taking advantage of its benefits too often.

This is ****ing unbelievable. You just made up rules so it would fit your arguments, just like you changed the meaning of the word prime.
You're saying Kakashi would be in disadventahe without accepting the eye? No, he would still have 2 ordinary eyes. Kakashi recieving sharingan is anything but natural.
If I follow your logic without your stupid rules only a few would remain at the top.

 

[fastrthnwind]

This is ****ing unbelievable. You just made up rules so it would fit your arguments, just like you changed the meaning of the word prime.
You're saying Kakashi would be in disadventahe without accepting the eye? No, he would still have 2 ordinary eyes. Kakashi recieving sharingan is anything but natural.
If I follow your logic without your stupid rules only a few would remain at the top.

No, I am being very reasonable and using logic to back up my claims. Its not a definition change if the entire arguement doesnt fit within the category of the definition. I already said that it is a "prime", but it isnt Madara's true "prime." If you dont like it, then prove me wrong with your own reasonings insted of casually throwing insults at anyone who doesnt agree with you.

Any person would be at a disadvantage without their eye, its common knowledge that one cannot jutdge spatial distances without two of them and that their range of vision decreases dramatically. He doesnt have any other spare eyes to use and because Obito wasnt going to need his, he offered it to Kakashi so he wouldnt be at a natural disadvantage.

Think of other people who had similar upgrades and why they neede them. Did they need it to overcome an illness/injury, or just for powers sake? List me examples and I could tell you if it was natural or not.

 

[Djokovic]

No, I am being very reasonable and using logic to back up my claims. Its not a definition change if the entire arguement doesnt fit within the category of the definition. I already said that it is a "prime", but it isnt Madara's true "prime." If you dont like it, then prove me wrong with your own reasonings insted of casually throwing insults at anyone who doesnt agree with you.

Any person would be at a disadvantage without their eye, its common knowledge that one cannot jutdge spatial distances without two of them and that their range of vision decreases dramatically. He doesnt have any other spare eyes to use and because Obito wasnt going to need his, he offered it to Kakashi so he wouldnt be at a natural disadvantage.

Think of other people who had similar upgrades and why they neede them. Did they need it to overcome an illness/injury, or just for powers sake? List me examples and I could tell you if it was natural or not.

Why am I discussing whether Kakashi's sharingan is natural or not? Are you trolling me?
Why cant people just admit they're wrong and move on, instead you write more bullshit.

Fine, I'll play your little game. Think carefully before you answer my question.
Is Kabuto in his prime with Edo army + Sage mode?

 

[fastrthnwind]

Why am I discussing whether Kakashi's sharingan is natural or not? Are you trolling me?
Why cant people just admit they're wrong and move on, instead you write more bullshit.

Fine, I'll play your little game. Think carefully before you answer my question.
Is Kabuto in his prime with Edo army + Sage mode?

Its not natural in the sense that it isnt biologically his, but it is a natural way to make up for losing an eye in the first place. Again, counter this with reasonings instead of saying that everyone is wrong and things will go much more smoothly.

Kabuto with his Edo army is considered part of his prime because it is a specific jutsu that he himself learned the mechanics of and enhanced it in order to use it more effectively and efficiently than Orochimaru did. Again, because this is only a jutsu and not an alteration to his own body/DNA, then it is exempt from the rules.

Sage mode on the other hand, was not part of his prime because he altered his own DNA in order to gain powers that are not originally his simply for the sake of power. He didnt ask permission to use their DNA, nor did he use it to make up for an recent illness/injury that would otherwise impair his original performance. There are also no drawbacks to him using any of their jutsu, allowing him to spam any of their stolen abilities without any reserve and not relying on his own power.

 

[Djokovic]

Its not natural in the sense that it isnt biologically his, but it is a natural way to make up for losing an eye in the first place. Again, counter this with reasonings instead of saying that everyone is wrong and things will go much more smoothly.

Kabuto with his Edo army is considered part of his prime because it is a specific jutsu that he himself learned the mechanics of and enhanced it in order to use it more effectively and efficiently than Orochimaru did. Again, because this is only a jutsu and not an alteration to his own body/DNA, then it is exempt from the rules.

Sage mode on the other hand, was not part of his prime because he altered his own DNA in order to gain powers that are not originally his simply for the sake of power. He didnt ask permission to use their DNA, nor did he use it to make up for an recent illness/injury that would otherwise impair his original performance. There are also no drawbacks to him using any of their jutsu, allowing him to spam any of their stolen abilities without any reserve and not relying on his own power.

Good now we're heading somewhere. We have found out that Sage mode Kabuto cant be seen as prime Kabuto.

Tell me, is it natural to dig graves and sacriface a humans life in order to gain power? Now keep in mind that person whos being sacrficed does not agree to this.
I forgot to mention that Kabuto needs a nother sacrifice ( Anko) to draw chakra from in order to keep the Edo active.

 

[fastrthnwind]

Good now we're heading somewhere. We have found out that Sage mode Kabuto cant be seen as prime Kabuto.

Tell me, is it natural to dig graves and sacriface a humans life in order to gain power? Now keep in mind that person whos being sacrficed does not agree to this.
I forgot to mention that Kabuto needs a nother sacrifice ( Anko) to draw chakra from in order to keep the Edo active.

Again, Edo Tensei is a jutsu, though it has certain requirements to use and is therefore exept from the rules because it is not an alteration of ones self. A jutsu, like Edo Tensei, is simply a tool. It must first be learned before it can be used which is why it is exempt from the rules like any other jutsus.

 

[RetarbAlert]

So because he's Op he isnt in his prime... makes alot sense. Kabuto made him this way? True, but why does this change the fact that Madara has never been stronger before?

You're really missing out on simple logic here....

Madaras already lived his full natural life. Someones prime would be the time in their lives which they were at their peak of strength.

Edo Madara was never a stage of Madaras natural life, therefore he is beyond his prime. You're really overthinking/caring about this too much.