Do you think Hiruzen knows all MS techniques?

[Bogard]

To be honest once he says in a while that leaves this wide open basically saying itachi wouldve used it when danzo was close, which doesnt sound like itachi, but also he isnt the one to use ms techniques like that. Then there is the idea that not even his clansmen knew of his ms, but also his chakra as a kid might not grant him this feat. As for the massacre it might be true that he used it and that is where danzo found out, but when itachi left he didnt set the place on fire, if anything sasuke was able to go back there and read the monument. Also why would he light the place up with fire that cannot be extinguished which burns for 7 days/nights. There are many inconsistencies in this manga, but since danzo has said he hasnt seen it in a while, i guess kid itachi, before he left the village was able to use amaterasu. Something that im surprised about because of his reserves. Kakashi was surprised when sasuke demostrated a c rank katon jutsu and said a genin shouldnt have this reserves and sasuke was 13. If itachi can use amaterasu, around 12/13 then there is something wrong

Maybe he could use still use it at that age, but needed to take a rest after, who knows? After all we're talking about one technique only, not talking about a combination of technique. After all, even Sasuke managed to use Amaterasu the first time he got MS. Maybe the only problem was after his Amaterasu. It's probable that after it, he needed to take a lot of rest. There are many things we don't really know, but what's for sure is that Danzo seems to have already seen it at least once

 

[Blaze Release]

Maybe he could use still use it at that age, but needed to take a rest after, who knows? After all we're talking about one technique only, not talking about a combination of technique. After all, even Sasuke managed to use Amaterasu the first time he got MS. Maybe the only problem was after his Amaterasu. It's probable that after it, he needed to take a lot of rest. There are many things we don't really know, but what's for sure is that Danzo seems to have already seen it at least once

Anyway lets go back on topic. Your question has been answered. Hiruzen would know of the ms abilities that madara/izuna had. KA was known world wide. Itachi uses the same techniques as madara/izuna so he is included. As for kamui there hasnt been any kamui users apart from tobi/kakashi and hiruzen died way before then so he wouldnt have info on this technique. Also certain there are more ms technique's out there that the current ms users cannot unlock that hiruzen doesnt know about. To put it simple, NO, Hiruzen doesn't know all ms techniques

 

[thegame]

Its not his genius i doubt but his reserves especially as a kid. Reserves usually go up when you get older the decreases when you get to 55+ or around that age. Op you might not know this but you have given me an idea, lmao . Looks itachi wasnt born with low chakra reserves after all if he can use ms techniques at that age, heck his reserves wouldve been above average for that age, which could mean his illness mustve contributed

Being ANBU captain must mean you have somewhat well developed chakra reserves. But rather than having reserves above average I am more likely to believe he was just a master at using jutsu. Hiruzen was said to be the God of shinobi cause if he used a random jutsu and any other shinobi used it as well, his would prove more powerful, but he would have used less chakra at using it. Mastering the chakra manipulation to a certain extinct is needed to master most jutsu, unless you are naruto with great stamina of course. This could also explain how Itachi didn't start to lose eye sight before many years after - more correctly 8 years after the uchiha massacre he had almost maxed it, and for sasuke it took him less than a year. And Sasuke was only involved with 5-6 fights where he used MS? Can't believe Itachi was just standing idle all this time after all

 

[Bogard]

Anyway lets go back on topic. Your question has been answered. Hiruzen would know of the ms abilities that madara/izuna had. KA was known world wide. Itachi uses the same techniques as madara/izuna so he is included. As for kamui there hasnt been any kamui users apart from tobi/kakashi and hiruzen died way before then so he wouldnt have info on this technique. Also certain there are more ms technique's out there that the current ms users cannot unlock that hiruzen doesnt know about

It's said that there weren't many MS users, so it's really doubtful that there were that many other MS techniques like you say. I think databook even states that among the MS users, some of them had Amaterasu. Obito also stated that "only rare Uchiha awakened Susanoo", which means that normally when a Uchiha awake MS, the common jutsu they obtain are Amaterasu, Tsukiyomi or Susanoo. I suppose Kamui or KA are only exceptions. Now it's true that it's possible that Hiruzen couldn't know all of them, but you forget about the Uchiha tablett. Maybe all MS techniques are talked about inside it. Someone like Danzo seems to be the type of ninja who had great knowledge about Uchihas, even knowing Izanagi, so it's possible that he knew where the Uchiha tablett was and probably read it(he has Sharingan after all). They even had a Uchiha in their team(Kagami Uchiha). Not saying they must have known everything concerning Uchihas, but i think it's possible

 

[siyo]

Well they were never said to be the strongest, it was said that the hokage was the strongest kage, so sort of the same though xD but as Iwa and Kumo was usually their main enemy and they lacked strong jutsu like sharingan and byakugan, so they needed more military power, but it's not the amount of military power that decides a war. It's the ability to use what you have in the most efficient way. Which the Nara clan has made sure off through many generations, and ofc the yellow flash was an army alone..

Nah, the second fanbook said that Konoha was severely weakened during Pain’s invasion and that it was the strongest village before that.It was also said that fire country was the most powerful nation, and we all know a country, in that world, is only as strong as its ninja village. Nagato, literally, bombed the village back to the stone ages so Tsunade was forced to build the village and infrastructure from scratch.

Good post, though. Konoha always had the strongest Kages, and every single one of them except Tsunade (who is still very strong) could comfortable solo everyone of those villages and even in its most weakened state Konoha is still very diverse and could prove to be a challenge against anyone- with so many powerful clans.

Op to make it simple to digest, even if we were to ignore the DB which doesnt state this and go by the FB, it limits hiruzen, like hashirama/Tobirama to tsukuyomi, amaterasu and susano simply because those are the techniques that the uchiha brother's, madara and izuna wouldve used.

However after them there have been more ms users out there. Tobirama/hashirama would know of the three above, however they have no clue on ka/kamui because the two ms users they fought didnt have these abilities therefore the info they wouldve passed to sarutobi would not include kamui/KA though i did say hiruzen would know of ka.

You have to remember that only uchiha knew the location of the hideout and even then adult uchiha's since sasuke had no clue about it;

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To say hiruzen knew of ms technique's is invalid unless he is a fortune teller. Also like somebody to explain how he would know of kamui when not even hashirama/tobirama wouldve known of it

Why are you limiting the entire uchiha clan to two people? The Senju brothers likely fought other talented uchihas as well; Madara and Izuna just happened to be their two strongest opponents, and those were battle that made them famous and, more importantly, challenged them the most. I call that one big assumption.

Hiruzen was well-liked within the Uchiha clan, he even had old comrades within said clan, which is why he tried extra hard to come up with a peaceful solution to the uprising before it was too late. They were not called a clan of geniuses for nothing and I very much doubt only the aforementioned people had access to MS/EMS. Hiruzen was involved in three separate world wars where there were several traumatic experiments and losses, which means it’s very far-fetched, imo, to believe that some people didn’t awaken their MS during those times, especially when we have seen Shisui, Obito and Itachi all awaken theirs within the last couple of decades. As you said even other villages knew about KA, because of various battles and intel, so imagine the guy who fought alongside the clan, led the village for almost over a century, and was known as the professor, he would surely know about all those abilities.

Granted, we don’t know what exactly “knowing all the MS/EMS skills within the leaf” entails, but no reason to limit it to Tsukuyomi, Amaterasu, and Susanoo only. At least without any statement saying so.

 

[Darkakatsuki]

Shishui and Itachi had strong connection with the ROOT program, in fact, it seems like they were part of Danzo's ROOT program. Not to mention that Tobi and Danzo said that they hadn't seen each other since the Massacre, which implies that Danzo was in the Uchiha compound during the Massacre.

Now let us face some facts, Itachi, even with Tobi's help would have never been able to kill the whole clan without using MS, it is simply impossible, that is common sense.

Now we have Itachi and Shishui as part of ROOt, and Danzo being involved during the massacre. It becomes obvious at this point how and why Danzo knows what he knows about the Uchiha.

Also, he would have been able to read the tablet after he obtained Shishui's eye, which happened before the massacre.

That is how Danzo would have known.

Hiruzen would not have known simply because Danzo knew, because Danzo plotted behind Hiruzen's back on many occassions, he even teamed up with Orochimaru so that he can become Hokage after Oro kills Hiruzen. And did the same thing to Tsunade when he allowed Pein to destroy the village while he hid under ground.

This person, judging by his character, would not have shared anything with Hiruzen.

However, as Hokage, he might have had access to some info that Hashirama and Tobirama passed on, since Minato spoke of Madara as if he had intel when he fought Tobi, even using Madara's powers and character to judge how Tobi would act and attack. He surely got this info from Hiruzen, unless someone else told him, definitely not Jiraiya though, that guy didn't know shit!

 

[Exaar]

He most likely has knowledge on Ms techs, Most likely Hashi/Tobirama taught him about them during hiruzens training.

I'm not sure if he knew of Itachi having Ms.

 

[Minator93]

DAMN.

If Hiruzen was present in the Ninja war He could've countered The Perfect Stabilized Susanoo!!

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