Kakashis kamui is better than Kotoamatsukami

[Bogard]

I think Kotoamatsukami is overrated when Kakashis kamui is underrated, but if we really analyse both jutsus, i don't really understand:

• Kotoamatsukami is a eye jutsu that the user activates. Kamui is also a eye jutsu that the user activates
• Kotoamatsukami is probably instant, same goes for Kamui
• Both jutsus are invisible since Obito got fooled by Kakashis kamui in more than one occasion without him noticing, same goes for Pain also. On the other side, Mifune got fooled by Kotoamatsukami without him noticing
• To use kotoamatsukami, your opponent must be on your field of view, same goes for Kamui. That means if your Sharingan can't see or follow the opponent, neither Kotoamatsukami nor Kamui could be effectiv since if you don't see something/someone, why cast a jutsu? It would only be a waste of chakra

If the same conditions are needed for both jutsus, why some people sometimes overrate Kotoamatsukami that much and underrate Kamui? There are people who say that Kakashi has to see his opponent to be effectiv with the jutsu, but they forget that same goes for Kotoamatsukami

Furthermore, what makes me believe Kamui is better than Kotoamatsukami is this:

- To use Kotoamatsukami, eye contact is needed, which means that if you avoid eye contact you're fine, when whether you make eye contact with the opponent or not, Kamui can still be effectiv. You can warp someone directly even without looking his eyes like we have seen with BM Naruto for example

 

[Uxellius]

well as a battle jutsu Kamui is Overkill, but as a mind manipulation tech KA is the best choice

 

[The Necromancer]

Eye contact is not needed for KA. Danzo used it with his eye covered.

 

[Bogard]

Eye contact is not needed for KA. Danzo used it with his eye covered.

We don't know when he used it since there was a lot of skiptime during the summit

 

[The Necromancer]

We don't know when he used it since there was a lot of skiptime during the summit

Whatever you say. I doubt they would miss him uncovering his eye, pushing a genjutsu and re taping his eye.

 

[betienne]

Agreed Kotoamatsukami is an amazing jutsu but the time period to use this ability once already used is a decade w.out Hashirama cell's which is extremely long of a wait. Kamui is the better of the two because of this reason. & Kakashi's Kamui is great but it doesn't come close in comparison w. Obito's space-time kamui & we still haven't seen his Mangekyo Kamui.

 

[Ariow]

These two jutsu are very different. Kamui is not instant in fact the first time Kakashi tried using it on Deidara it took him forever, it all depends on the users skill how quickly this jutsu can be used. Also Kotoamtsukami was never used on Mifune this was a much weaker non mongekyo version of Shisuis genjutsu, and if you recall eye contact was not needed as the right side of Danzos face was covered at the time. I believe this would also be the case with the mongekyo abillity kotoamatsukami except Itachi set the ability up only to activate when in the face of his mongekyo eyes so as to forcibly change Sasuke when and if the time came.

 

[Shinraa Tensei]

hmmmm ka i better in my opinion but kamui is a powerful and dangerous jutsu as much has ka but ka would be classed as more dangerous because you can control anyone into doing as you please

 

[Retsu]

Danzo definitely seemed to keep his eye covered for KA, I think the whole general consensus is for KA eye contact is not required, which falls inline with the victim not being able to see they are in a genjutsu.

 

[Bogard]

Whatever you say. I doubt they would miss him uncovering his eye, pushing a genjutsu and re taping his eye.

What i mean is that whether it was before starting the summit or during, there were a lot of skiptimes, so we can't say for sure what happened and when. I can actually feint to touch my face and present my eyes to you in a split of seconds. He didn't needed to remove all the bandages. Just holding a part of it up long enough to cast the jutsu could be enough. It's what Kakashi did against Danzos Anbus for example

These two jutsu are very different. Kamui is not instant in fact the first time Kakashi tried using it on Deidara it took him forever, it all depends on the users skill how quickly this jutsu can be used. Also Kotoamtsukami was never used on Mifune this was a much weaker non mongekyo version of Shisuis genjutsu, and if you recall eye contact was not needed as the right side of Danzos face was covered at the time. I believe this would also be the case with the mongekyo abillity kotoamatsukami except Itachi set the ability up only to activate when in the face of his mongekyo eyes so as to forcibly change Sasuke when and if the time came.

Taking the fight against Deidara as a reference means nothing right now, since it's outdated. What about recent feats? Against Deidara, he admitted himself that he wasn't able to control the jutsu, which is not the case right now. Concerning KA, i think it's stated that Danzo has it

 

[Mischeif Maker]

Whatever you say. I doubt they would miss him uncovering his eye, pushing a genjutsu and re taping his eye.

i agree danzo has never been showing without his bandages until the sasuke fight so to think he just unwrapped it off screen to use it and re wrap it etc is a strange conclusion

 

[The Necromancer]

What i mean is that whether it was before starting the summit or during, there were a lot of skiptimes, so we can't say for sure what happened and when. I can actually feint to touch my face and present my eyes to you in a split of seconds. He didn't needed to remove all the bandages. Just holding a part of it up long enough to cast the jutsu could be enough. It's what Kakashi did against Danzos Anbus for example

There were 4 kage, the leader of the samurai, and 8 elite bodyguard shinobi personally picked by their respective kage for protection. You can't just sneak in some quick sharingan eye contact and a powerful genjutsu without their notice.

 

[Bogard]

There were 4 kage, the leader of the samurai, and 8 elite bodyguard shinobi personally picked by their respective kage for protection. You can't just sneak in some quick sharingan eye contact and a powerful genjutsu without their notice.

Before the summit even started, Danzo could have probably meet Mifune:

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During the summit, Danzo and Mifune were facing each other:

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So how can you say for sure that he didn't managed to make a eye contact with Mifune during all that time?

 

[Prime Rib]

the only thing kamui can top KA at is the the time it requires

 

[Takos]

the only thing kamui can top KA at is the the time it requires

Nah, Kamui is just as OP as Kotoamatsukami WOULD be if it didn't have the cooldown.

But with KA requiring 10 freaking years to recharge, Kamui is a whole league above it in terms of usefulness.
Even with Senju DNA, KA can only be used once in a day. So you're basically screwed once you encounter two stronger opponents at once, since you cannot use KA on both of them. This disadvantage is what screwed Danzo, because he could not use it against Sasuke.

All in all, Kamui >>> Kotoamatsukami .

 

[Harry Balzac]

They're 2 different jutsu, I don't see how they're comparable. Both are powerful in their own right.

 

[Ariow]

Danzo cannot use KA, it was never stated that he could. This was simply shisuis regular sharingan genjutsu that was used against Mifune. Concerning Kamui, I said it all depends on how skilled the actuall user is with the abillity. So how fast it would warp something or how large the object might be all plays into that. At the time in his fight with Deidara he certainly had the abillity but was not as skilled as he is now. Kakashi improving the Kamuis effectiveness since we first saw him using it on Deidara proves my point.

 

[Bogard]

Danzo cannot use KA, it was never stated that he could. This was simply shisuis regular sharingan genjutsu that was used against Mifune. Concerning Kamui, I said it all depends on how skilled the actuall user is with the abillity. So how fast it would warp something or how large the object might be all plays into that. At the time in his fight with Deidara he certainly had the abillity but was not as skilled as he is now. Kakashi improving the Kamuis effectiveness since we first saw him using it on Deidara proves my point.

About Kakashi you're right that it depends, but not really on the skillfullness but on the amount of chakra Kakashi uses to create a barrier. I think more it's huge, more it's instant. Against Deidara eventhough it wasn't as instant as now, it didn't took as much time as you think. On mangapages, it only took something like 2pages, it's in the anime that it seems to take forever because anime always like to add some stuffs in it. Kamui has always been instant. It only depends on the size
About Danzo, i must check, maybe you're right