The uzumaki will be confirmed to be the original blood line

[DeadManWonderLand]

Listen i cant sit here and make it any simpler for you go take up some genealogy classes or something and then carefully read the thread again so your potato brain doesn't explode or wait until they blatantly prove that i am correct.Your choice as for this conversation its done.

 

[Syllogism]

To make up for the fact the uchiha dna is needed you tell me it is only needed to awaken it not use it.Which is a fine assessment but then you go on to say ""DIRECT SENJU LINEAGE" allowed him the compatability of using Rinnegan" Which completely contradicts your previous statement to explain why he can use it without uchiha dna.I hope you understand that has just undermine any point you hope to make.

How am I contradicting myself? You said to USE Rinnegan you NEED BOTH DNA...I said because Nagato is DIRECT LINEAGE of Senju he is compatable and able to use it...
It's the same concept as how Ao uses the Byakugan and Kakashi and Danzo with Sharingans...they're all compatable because it was implanted, but they cannot turn it off so they cover it because it drains tremendous amounts of chakra, but for Nagato's case being a "DIRECT SENJU LINEAGE" he has huge amounts of chakra like Naruto, thus thats why he's able to use it...not because of Uchiha DNA​

 

[chardy]

in that case uzumaki is the the lineage of senju as what zetzu stated earlier right?

 

[portgas d luffy]

like i said im not going to spam this thread with naruto vs tobirama ect against someone that has over 1000 post but still 1 bar
your probably too stubborn to listen to me plus i'm extremly lazy when it comes to drawn out discussions.

At the moment Tim Jamison is unimpressed with your knowledge.

auch xd

 

[DeadManWonderLand]

How am I contradicting myself? You said to USE Rinnegan you NEED BOTH DNA...I said because Nagato is DIRECT LINEAGE of Senju he is compatable and able to use it...
It's the same concept as how Ao uses the Byakugan and Kakashi and Danzo with Sharingans...they're all compatable because it was implanted, but they cannot turn it off so they cover it because it drains tremendous amounts of chakra, but for Nagato's case being a "DIRECT SENJU LINEAGE" he has huge amounts of chakra like Naruto, thus thats why he's able to use it...not because of Uchiha DNA​

You said since the eyes were given to him so the requirements of both strains are not needed and i said that was a fair assessment.If you were correct about nagato not needing the both strains of dna to use it and it is only needed to awaken it then that would solve the problem of nagato not having the uchiha dna,but then you went on to say its because he has senju dna that he is able to use rinnegan.It is proven that you need both dna to use rinnegan that is how you contradicted yourself.In lament terms you said no he doesn't need both dna for rinnegan because he is just using it then you said he can use because he has senju dna >>>>>>>>>well what about the other strain which he obviously needs ?

 

[Syllogism]

Listen i cant sit here and make it any simpler for you go take up some genealogy classes or something and then carefully read the thread again so your potato brain doesn't explode or wait until they blatantly prove that i am correct.Your choice as for this conversation its done.

If your conversation is done then Im done here too...maybe someone else would care to explain the simple term of Nagato is "UZUMAKI" and Nagato is of "SENJU LINEAGE" which implies that he is not "DIRECT SO6P descendant" but still a long distant descendant, but which person in the NV isn't?

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[chardy]

in that case uzumaki is the the lineage of senju as what zetzu stated earlier right?

i mean uzumaki is part of senju lineage not the other way around. my wrong

 

[DeadManWonderLand]

Okay, while I agree with your butter statement.... being that I'm actually looking forward for some baked potato and butter....



Alright, it is stated that through their descendants the bloodline had thinned down correct? Now I may not have taken the suggested subject you mentioned, BUT by knowing English in itself and reading the manga, it IS implied that the two REAL descendants are the Uchiha and Senju. Uzumaki being the distant relative of the Senju clan, yet it was stated by Zetsu himself that Nagato (presumably here that Uzumaki is the subject )is from a linage of Senjus. Now as FAR AS we know, Uzumaki are relatives with Senjus and the proofs we have we come to KNOW that they're descendants of Senjus. THAT is where I'm having this little debate with you, when I'm (I'll admit) uncertain about your claims of the Uzumakis.

Clearly, if the Uzumakis were to be descendants of the sage himself, then it would be a close relative of the sage himself. However, as far as we know as of now and can be confirmed is that uzumakis are of linage of Senjus. Just my 2 cents, and you owe me some farking baked potato for that statement.... just saying lol.

I guess only time will tell but i will try to spin this another way just so i tried every avenue to make my the point of this thread clear to you.
Since we know you need bot strains of the uchiha and senju to make the rinngean how does nagato use it if he had only the senju dna ?
Someone said he got it implanted and that requirements for needing uchiha are not needed but if not then why not just use anybody why seek out a refugee senju relative ?Why is it that the sage was a priest who used funinjustu and the uzumaki just so happen to be feared as funinjustu expert ?And i have no potatoes sorry i literally have nothing but mac and cheese in my cabinets because i can't cook or bake to say my life lol

 

[Syllogism]

You said since the eyes were given to him so the requirements of both strains are not needed and i said that was a fair assessment.If you were correct about nagato not needing the both strains of dna to use it and it is only needed to awaken it then that would solve the problem of nagato not having the uchiha dna,but then you went on to say its because he has senju dna that he is able to use rinnegan.It is proven that you need both dna to use rinnegan that is how you contradicted yourself.In lament terms you said no he doesn't need both dna for rinnegan because he is just using it then you said he can use because he has senju dna >>>>>>>>>well what about the other strain which he obviously needs ?

DUDE you really dont get it do you...show me the scan where it says you have to have BOTH DNA to USE Rinnegan...
All Im saying is that Senju has large chakra pools and because Uzumakis are descendants they do as well ( ex. Naruto ) and because they do Nagato is compatable of using it or able to use it with such ease​

 

[Troyg39]

If your conversation is done then Im done here too...maybe someone else would care to explain the simple term of Nagato is "UZUMAKI" and Nagato is of "SENJU LINEAGE" which implies that he is not "DIRECT SO6P descendant" but still a long distant descendant, but which person in the NV isn't?

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I'll explain it. If Nagato were was of direct desenct and the original bloodline as OP tried to say, then he would've already come equip with the Rinnegan since his bloodline would've been untainted and direct from the sage. But as we know he wasn't born with Rinnegan nor did he unlock it, it was given to him.

The clearest explaination I can give you is that the thread maker doesn't know what he's talking about. Zetsu said Nagato is from the senju, meaning senju first, Nagato (Uzumaki) second. Don't let him confuse you with his "knowledge" in genealogy. He clearly doesn't have any. Your "potato brain" is smart enough to figure that out I'm sure

 

[chardy]

If your conversation is done then Im done here too...maybe someone else would care to explain the simple term of Nagato is "UZUMAKI" and Nagato is of "SENJU LINEAGE" which implies that he is not "DIRECT SO6P descendant" but still a long distant descendant, but which person in the NV isn't?

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I think this assessment is correct base on what stated by zetsu earlier.

 

[Syllogism]

I'll explain it. If Nagato were was of direct desenct and the original bloodline as OP tried to say, then he would've already come equip with the Rinnegan since his bloodline would've been untainted and direct from the sage. But as we know he wasn't born with Rinnegan nor did he unlock it, it was given to him.

The clearest explaination I can give you is that the thread maker doesn't know what he's talking about. Zetsu said Nagato is from the senju, meaning senju first, Nagato (Uzumaki) second. Don't let him confuse you with his "knowledge" in genealogy. He clearly doesn't have any. Your "potato brain" is smart enough to figure that out I'm sure

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[DeadManWonderLand]

1. Dude, the manga page you showed clearly has zetsu saying that Nagato is "from" the Senju lineage. Meaning the Uzumaki came from the Senju lineage. Meaning that the senju is a lineage of something bigger (so6p) but the Uzumaki is from the senju, i.e. the Uzumaki is a lineage from the Senju. The Uzumaki can't be both the original blooline and a descendent of the so6p at the time. You are ignoring an obvious fact pointed out in the very page you posted.

2. Even IF the Uzumaki were the "original untainted bloodline inheritance" as you put, that would mean that since the Uzumaki are untainted, then they would all be born with the RINNEGAN! Yet, no Uzumaki has unlocked the Rinnegan on their own in the history of Naruto, let alone be born with it. Madara told us plain as day in this chapter that he transplanted his Rinnegan to Nagato.

I don't know why so many people up here seem to have bought into what you've said. But it's wrong I'm sorry. You are correct in stating that a lineage is like a branch from a tree, but being of descent means the same thing as being a lineage to something. So you can't call the Uzumaki the true bloodline and a descent of the bloodline at the same time. That's like saying the Uchiha are the lineage of the Uchiha, makes no sense. The Uzumaki came FROM the senju. Not before them. It's in a manga and you pointed it out so nothing you or your diagram can say that will change that.

This is how it goes:

*So6p
-Uchiha lineage

-Senju lineage
-Uzumaki lineage

The Uchiha and Senju are the only direct descendents/lineages of the so6p. They weren't just branches, they were his sons. They were named as different descendents only because the sage actually split his powers between them, so neither had the full bloodline with them, which is why you need both to reach the true bloodline. Senju+Uchiha does not equal Uzumaki. Case closed

*Edit* Oh yea and I forgot, you need senju and uchiha dna to UNLOCK the Rinnegan. You don't need them both to use it. Anyone with transplanted eyes can use the eyes powers as long as they have the chakra reserves to do so. Which is why Kakashi can use the sharingan even though he's clearly not a Uchiha.

The uzumaki dna wise are the uchiha and senju combined. No,having the untainted blood does not mean they will automatically unlock the rinnegan it just means they have the requirements as pointed out by madara that he did not unlock it right away.You miss read the thread and then put words in my mouth go read it again or leave the thread if you cannot digest the information properly.Not to mention kakashi was pointed out to have low chakra reserves so try again next time.

 

[realobito1]

Senju are the original, hhas been confirmed. This is not an argument

 

[DeadManWonderLand]

Senju are the original, hhas been confirmed. This is not an argument

Sorry if you have no idea what lineage means just leave there is enough morons here spouting the same nonesense

 

[Troyg39]

The uzumaki dna wise are the uchiha and senju combined. No,having the untainted blood does not mean they will automatically unlock the rinnegan it just means they have the requirements as pointed out by madara that he did not unlock it right away.You miss read the thread and then put words in my mouth go read it again or leave the thread if you cannot digest the information properly.

What does the first line in your quote above say? Uzumaki=senju+Uchiha dna wise.. In truth, seju dna+uchiha dna=Rinnegan. Madara said this, as you as well pointed out. Yet no Uzumaki has ever unlocked the Rinnegan. Only Madara and the sage have had it without the use of a transplant. If you honestly can't see the ridiculousness in what you just said, you are a lost cause. Uzumaki does not equal senju+uchiha dna wise or in any other aspect. If that's the case, the Uzumaki would alteast be able to unlock the sharingan. But they can't

 

[Optimistic]

Senju are the original, hhas been confirmed. This is not an argument

Sorry if you have no idea what lineage means just leave there is enough morons here spouting the same nonesense

Tim Jamison noticed that deadman basically said
"shut up meg"

 

[Syllogism]

Sorry if you have no idea what lineage means just leave there is enough morons here spouting the same nonesense

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[Ninpou]

OP dosent know what Lineage means, hes going against what the manga just stated.

 

[DeadManWonderLand]

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