Thinking Kakashi can take itachi or sasuke (with logic, reason and evidence)

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I think Kakashi stands a chance against Sasuke and I think he can actually pull out the win based on his fighting experience and how smart he is. He would find a way. But I honestly think that he doesn't stand a chance against Itachi. Itachi is just as smart as Kakashi and I think Itachi is faster. Itachi has already win once against him outright and think he would do it over and over again.
 

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I think Kakashi stands a chance against Sasuke and I think he can actually pull out the win based on his fighting experience and how smart he is. He would find a way. But I honestly think that he doesn't stand a chance against Itachi. Itachi is just as smart as Kakashi and I think Itachi is faster. Itachi has already win once against him outright and think he would do it over and over again.

that was before kakashi could even use mangyeko properly, and plus itachi has low ass stamina and what you guys cant accept it that sasuke is stronger then itachi now he's the one with EMS
 

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kakashi loses to both itach and EMS sasuke, man face it. by the time kakashi sees itachis susanoo, he would already have to deal with tsukuyomi and amaterasu, and sure kakashis clones and kamui can deal with those. now for susanoo after kakashi has already used up alot of chakra, not even close imo

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as for sasuke well EMS + Blaze release>kakashi, even kamui wont save him from this

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Raised some good points my dude, can't really tell who would win, would've liked to seen this if it was actually possible :p
 
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I disagree. Itachi already owned Kakashi once. Sasuke and Itachi both are Uchiha and can use the Sharingan long periods of time with minimal waste of chakra. Kakashi can only use Kamui 2 times in 1 day ( Im not sure about that ) while Sasuke and Itachi both can use Tsukyomi, Amaterasu and Susano'o. Thats that just what i think :)
 

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honestly kakashi will hold his own against both but in the end both uchiha will win. if he can hold out from using ms until itachi is exhausted he has a chance of beating him but sasuke as much as i hate him would need only spam ameterasu to win
 

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Whether current kakashi is viable is yet to revealed. However even with his recent feats, though he gains ground on people above him, these people are still above him and though his chances has increased against these people, they still have the advantage over him and will defeat him more times than he would defeat them
 

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kakashi gets to use kamui a few more times and people place him above itachi, itachi is more intelligent and he is faster (foot-speed and hand seals) he tries to use kamui, he gets genjutsu'd, he looks away he gets amaterasu'd

Sasuke will simply over power kakashi, he has too much feats with amaterasu, Ems makes it hard for kakashi to beat him.
 

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I'll go first with Itachi vs Kakashi
The winner of this fight would be Itachi and I will explain my reasoning for this
You say that Kakashi chakra levels have gone up during the war but I beg to differ on this point. Kakashi was not really seen for his encounter with the 7 swordsman and we don't know when all the 7 swordsman were sealed. Thus, we can not conclude if he had time to recover his chakra or if he went straight from them to naruto. Also we do not know how long kakashi, naruto, and gai were fighting tobi before kishi showed us the fight. For his chakra levels vs tobi, you have to look at what kakashi was doing during that fight. Kakashi was not even moving before or after he used kamui, he was just standing still because he knew that if he tried to move he would most likely stumble due to him using a lot of chakra. he was able to concentrate due to him not having to worry about tobi attacking him because he had naruto, bee, and gai keeping tobi distracted.

Now on to why Itachi would beat kakashi. Yes, Itachi eye sight was deterioting and it was probably sever, but that did not stop him from being able to fight sasuke. As we know Itachi let sasuke win so we can't really disypher how much of the fight was legit.
Kakshi vs genjustu: This would honestly defeat kakashi and their is really no way he can break out of tsyukomi if caught. You said that kakashi would not fall for the same trick twice but who is to say that Itachi would fall for kakashi's trick twice. Like you said both are very smart.
Kakashi vs amaterastu/susanoo: Kakashi doesn't move nearly as fast as he would need to in order for him to dodge amaterastu, since he would need to avoid Itachi's eyesight. Amaterastu appears wherever the user's eye is looking at instantly. Like I said the only way to avoid is to get out of the user sight, which only two people can do and a possible third(these are people who are alive). Susanoo weapons are of spiritual nature which means they are technically not physical matter.So it is debatable if kakshi could kamui away his spiritual items. Kakashi would probably kill himself if he tried to kamui away susanoo as a whole and if he tried to make a whole in susanoo then he leaves himself wide open for a counter attack, since we have ever seen kakashi use kamui one right after another one(if I am wrong please tell me).

Disadvantage of both moves:

Kamui: Depending on the object kakashi needs to kamui away, he could increase the size depending of kamui. The consequence of doing this is that it requires more chakra and for kakashi this move is already chakra consuming.

Amaterastu, susanoo, tsyukomi: These are Itachi's strongest moves and they all are very chakra consuming.

Now just like Itachi could counter Kakashi's moves, if kakashi plays his cards right he could find a way to counter almost all of Itachi's moves. If we go by in character, do people really believe kakashi would right off the bat try to kamui Itachi? Their is a risk to Kakashi using kamui so more than likely if they ever had the chance to fight against one another again kakashi would fight cautiously. Kakashi is strong but Itachi for me is just stronger

I really wont go into much detail on why sasuke beats kakashi. The reason sasuke beats Kakashi is because pratically he would get overpowered by an incomplete susanoo, blaze release, and sharingan genjustu.
 

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Where do I begin. You just listed a bunch of valid points. I disagree with them because
1-how many kamuis can kakashi do again? Last I checked 4 was pushing it. So you really can't count on kamui for very much. Maybe 1 big hit or a couple little ones and he's lying on the ground about to die of exhaustion.

2- His clones are only good for testing people out and dodging attacks. Last I checked you cant win a game playing defense

3- itachis genjuitsu doesn't seem to take very much energy at all. So he can spam that.

4- kakashi already lost a 1v1 with itachi

Good points but I believe these to be the more reasonable assumptions
 

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I agree ... Kakashi could potentially take them out.

Kakashi would either give them an amazing fight or would win. He has an incredible amount of Jutsu and his Analysing Skills are above anyone's we have seen so far if you ask me.
 

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Your reasoning about how Kakashi would avoid genjutsu is faulty and there fore has no credit. Thus still leaving the simple answer of Itachi wins by Tsyukuomi.
 

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Where do I begin. You just listed a bunch of valid points. I disagree with them because
1-how many kamuis can kakashi do again? Last I checked 4 was pushing it. So you really can't count on kamui for very much. Maybe 1 big hit or a couple little ones and he's lying on the ground about to die of exhaustion.

2- His clones are only good for testing people out and dodging attacks. Last I checked you cant win a game playing defense

3- itachis genjuitsu doesn't seem to take very much energy at all. So he can spam that.

4- kakashi already lost a 1v1 with orchid

Good points but I believe these to be the more reasonable assumptions

1. I beg to differ. In the fight with Tobi, he used it 4 times(kunai, rasengan,clone, gedo mazo). Prior to this he fought 2 days straight in the ninja war using chakra with no rest. Who to say 100% kakashi can't use it 6-7 times.

2. Ever heard the saying defense wins games? They could certainly create an opening for kakashi.

3. Agreed 100% but keep 2 things in mind: thanks to guy, kakashi now knows not to look him in the eyes. He didn't at first. Secondly , as we saw with kakashi sending out the clone to get caught in genjutsu, in sure he has more tricks to avoid getting trapped in genjutsu.

4. He had no info and was unprepared. I'll give you that one though it's irrelevant to them fighting again.
 

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Your reasoning about how Kakashi would avoid genjutsu is faulty and there fore has no credit. Thus still leaving the simple answer of Itachi wins by Tsyukuomi.

1. Don't make eye contact. This he knows now.

2. Watch his feet. He learned this from guy.

3. Create clones to confuse itachis already fading eyesight .

While a single one may not be enough, im sure using all 3 can nullify genjutsu.
 

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Kakashi with recent feats takes MS Sasuke, but not EMS. Kakashi can only beat 3-tomoe Itachi, but even that's debatable.
 

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One more thing you people are forgetting.... Itachis power remained consistent from part 1 to part 2. Kakashis power, stamina and overall ability has greatly increased...even to the level of unlocking MS, a feat even few uchihas can do. Itachi doesn't even know this.
 

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Where do I begin. You just listed a bunch of valid points. I disagree with them because
1-how many kamuis can kakashi do again? Last I checked 4 was pushing it. So you really can't count on kamui for very much. Maybe 1 big hit or a couple little ones and he's lying on the ground about to die of exhaustion.

2- His clones are only good for testing people out and dodging attacks. Last I checked you cant win a game playing defense

3- itachis genjuitsu doesn't seem to take very much energy at all. So he can spam that.

4- kakashi already lost a 1v1 with itachi

Good points but I believe these to be the more reasonable assumptions

Out of your points: the first is out right true. so is the second. the third on the other hand is debatable. while defense wont win a game/fight it will save energy and leave you time to analyze and look for openings. as for the fourth its easy to say that was a great deal ago and even then kakashi had info on MS somewhat. he lost due to never facing tsukuyomi and handled it pretty decently as itachi said himself. now kakashi has greater chakra control and can utilize the sharingan longer than before but yea he still loses to both yet he has a better chance at beaqting itachi than sasuke
 

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Kakashi with recent feats takes MS Sasuke, but not EMS. Kakashi can only beat 3-tomoe Itachi, but even that's debatable.
Failed. 3 tomoe itachi can barely see 3 feet in front of him. Even kslashing figured out his was blind.
 
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