Madara > Juubi

[KidGamer65]

So unless the Ten-Tails Immediately gets sealed into Madara or Obito after revival, they would have to pull out a fight with it. They are only interested with the Ten-Tails for it's chakra.

The bold is whats going to happen, cause they stand no chance against it.

 

[ForbiddenUzumaki]

The bold is whats going to happen, cause they stand no chance against it.

I doubt it, the Demonic Statue Of The Outer Path is the vessel of the Ten-Tails which means it's likely going to transform into the Juubi. Either way the Juubi is going to have to appear physically and Madara or Obito will have to face it. If the Juubi had to automatically go inside Madara without it ever appearing or shown it would sound biased and unrealistic.

 

[KidGamer65]

I doubt it, the Demonic Statue Of The Outer Path is the vessel of the Ten-Tails which means it's likely going to transform into the Juubi. Either way the Juubi is going to have to appear physically and Madara or Obito will have to face it. If the Juubi had to automatically go inside Madara without it ever appearing or shown it would sound biased and unrealistic.

Of course it will be shown but he's not going to fight it, defeat it and then seal it inside himself.

 

[ForbiddenUzumaki]

I have a question. Madara's original plan was to be revived in Non-Edo form with his Rinnegan and EMS abilities. He obviously planned on becoming the host for 10 tails as this plan of his was in process since decades. I am unsure if he tops the sage, but he must be pretty strong to take on the ten tails on his own.

Yup he planned on becoming it's host without Edo. Madara has incredible knowledge and power, he can take Juubi.

 

[ForbiddenUzumaki]

Of course it will be shown but he's not going to fight it, defeat it and then seal it inside himself.

Yes but the Ten-Tails isn't going to stand there and let himself be sealed. Madara must have some very powerful sealing tech under his arsenal and I'm sure he has to somehow weaken the Juubi. We all know how powerful is the Juubi and he isn't going to let himself be sealed easily.

 

[KidGamer65]

Yes but the Ten-Tails isn't going to stand there and let himself be sealed. Madara must have some very powerful sealing tech under his arsenal and I'm sure he has to somehow weaken the Juubi. We all know how powerful is the Juubi and he isn't going to let himself be sealed easily.

It was the same with the Kyuubi, Mito sealed it into herself but she wasn't stronger than it. (Though she most likely had help from Hashirama).

And Kushina subdued the Kyuubi even though she's weaker than it, and Minato sealed it even though he is weaker than it.

Madara will most likely use some OP Rinnegan sealing Jutsu to subdue it momentarily and seal it into himself.

 

[shelke]

You have brought up pretty good points in your defense. But I have to disagree.

- Amatersu was repelled the flames bu using a highly advanced technique, which is in a league of its own. Heavenly rotation basically scatters physical objects away from the user. it can be noted it Neji's fight against Naruto, and during Sasuke's chase. Amatersu flames do not possess any physical form, so I cannot see this technique countering Amatersu.

- Susano is not a human being, nor does it have chakra flow points. It's basically a manifestation of Ms and EMS users chakra after acquiring the abilities Amatersu and Tsukoyomi. I can't see any Hyuuga breaking it apart.

- Sasuke has fought much faster opponents and dodged their attacks with his three tomoe Sharingen. As Ms or EMS don't predict moves any better nor do they enhance it, I also cannot see Neji - being an elite Hyuuga - taking this. As not only three tomoe Sasuke is much faster, which is one of the key factors of dodging attacks and launching offensive attacks, he seems quite good at hand to hand combat. He can also read Neji's moves perfectly.

- Chidori is basically a lightening technique, how can the rotation technique deflect current? I can't see Neji dodging variations of it as well, such as Kirin.

- The last point seems somewhat valid. But given the rest of explanation, I can't see Hyuugas beating a three tomoe Sharingen user. It will be a one-sided match.

Great post regardless.

Regardless of which ability he will use, he is strong enough even in his non-edo form to take on the 10 tails. That was the original plan after all.

 

[ForbiddenUzumaki]

It was the same with the Kyuubi, Mito sealed it into herself but she wasn't stronger than it. (Though she most likely had help from Hashirama).

And Kushina subdued the Kyuubi even though she's weaker than it, and Minato sealed it even though he is weaker than it.

Madara will most likely use some OP Rinnegan sealing Jutsu to subdue it momentarily and seal it into himself.

Seems legit, but like I said, the Juubi is going to have to be controlled and weakened. I'm starting to see the situation in your point of view and I agree with most of it yet.... I doubt Madara lose to Juubi in term of strength.
Beside, something was never confirmed about Madara's perfect Susanoo, it was said to be comparable with the Tailed Beasts. I have no idea if there were talking about 1 Bijuu or many. This is only 1 of many of Madara's tech.

 

[shelke]

What the...I quoted my own post accidentally? Disregard it. Only the post is relevant to the thread.

 

[shelke]

It was the same with the Kyuubi, Mito sealed it into herself but she wasn't stronger than it. (Though she most likely had help from Hashirama).

And Kushina subdued the Kyuubi even though she's weaker than it, and Minato sealed it even though he is weaker than it.

Madara will most likely use some OP Rinnegan sealing Jutsu to subdue it momentarily and seal it into himself.

Kyuubi was already weakened, as not only Madara controlled it but also Hasirmama.

 

[KidGamer65]

Kyuubi was already weakened, as not only Madara controlled it but also Hasirmama.

Oh, right I forgot...but my other points still stand though.

Seems legit, but like I said, the Juubi is going to have to be controlled and weakened. I'm starting to see the situation in your point of view and I agree with most of it yet.... I doubt Madara lose to Juubi in term of strength.
Beside, something was never confirmed about Madara's perfect Susanoo, it was said to be comparable with the Tailed Beasts. I have no idea if there were talking about 1 Bijuu or many. This is only 1 of many of Madara's tech.

I think PS is around Kurama's level.

 

[TheAwesomeOne]

If Gedo will be The Juubi's vessel, and the Juubi is sealed into the Moon.... There will be 2 Juubis. Juubi-ception.

 

[shelke]

Oh, right I forgot...but my other points still stand though.

I am not disagreeing with your points at all, just suggesting that into to become the vessel, he will have to subdue to to an extent. Even non-Edo Madara was prepared to do this.

 

[Harry Balzac]

@bold: No it's not..considering Kabuto already said Madara only has a fraction of the Sage's power.

The Sage on his deathbed as an old man made the moon.

The Juubi Madara is getting isn't even at it's original power since it it missing the bulk of it's power...the Kyuubi and Hachibi.

So the Base Sage at his prime still defeats Madara. Even when he becomes the Juuni's jinchuuriki.



1) Kabuto stated Edo Madara only had a fraction of the Sage's power.
2)Base Sage w/o Juubi made the moon. And he was an old man on his deathbed.

You got it wrong, completely. So wrong it doesn't make any sense. How can base Rikudou sennin defeat another rikudou, madara with juubi's power to boost? It's simple, he can't.

Creating the moon isn't something that can be done without the juubi, obito clarified it during the summit that what made rikudou sennin god-like was the juubi's power. The rikudou sage obviously kept some of the juubi's chakra despite sealing it (because bijuu chakra mixes with it's host after some time) Madara only has a"fragment of the of the sages power because he lacks the juubi. But if he were to complete it as he plans and become it's jinchuriki he would be just as strong, more or less.

 

[dhaoracle]

First, I'm a Naruto fanboy, actually I won't call myself a Naruto fanboy because I love many characters in the series and my **** doesn't go on a rampage when I hear his name. However, explain to me how an Uchiha at full potential with Senju DNA, Rinnegan and the best knowledge about fighting would lose to the Juubi. Wait did I forget to add edo = Infinite chakra replenish? + like many people stated above, do you really think Obito or Madara would plan on reviving the Ten-Tails and get fodderized by it? Obito was planning on doing it alone. I'm sure the Ten-Tails is famous for it's immense chakra but someone with Rinnegan, Senju/Uchiha DNA can overcome it.

BUT everything they think will happen is based off of a theory because no one has met the Juubi or even has as much information on the Juubi besides Kurama. Unless you count the tablet Rikudo left but that is only a outline not a real experience as to what will happen or how Rikudo defeated the Juubi.

The only seal I think that could contain the Juubi is the one that Naruto is using on Kurama right now but you have to contain it first and I don't think that the Sharingan or the Rinnegan will be able to do that since, hmmm, the Juubi has both eyes together with power, knowledge, and unlimited chakra.

So unless Madara has fused all the Bijuu before he does not know what will happen or how the Juubi will act when it is fully revived..

 

[dhaoracle]

You got it wrong, completely. So wrong it doesn't make any sense. How can base Rikudou sennin defeat another rikudou, madara with juubi's power to boost? It's simple, he can't.

Creating the moon isn't something that can be done without the juubi, obito clarified it during the summit that what made rikudou sennin god-like was the juubi's power. The rikudou sage obviously kept some of the juubi's chakra despite sealing it (because bijuu chakra mixes with it's host after some time) Madara only has a"fragment of the of the sages power because he lacks the juubi. But if he were to complete it as he plans and become it's jinchuriki he would be just as strong, more or less.

Sorry but you are wrong because if you look at the flashback from Kurama you would have seen that Rikudo has already split all of the Bijuu up. So even if he did have a little chakra like you say he did(you are thinking about Naruto's seal that was placed on him which no other Jinchuriki had to mix their chakra with. He most likely had the latest Seal that Naruto placed on Kurama which does not leak any chakra) he still created the moon without the Juubi. So no Madara cannot top or even get to half of Rikudo's power because apparently he had something other than the Rinnegan(if he had it, not sure) in order to defeat the Juubi like Fuinjutsu.

So now matter how much you want to praise Madara and his semi awesome power it still pales in comparison to Rikudo Senin..

 

[dhaoracle]

It was the same with the Kyuubi, Mito sealed it into herself but she wasn't stronger than it. (Though she most likely had help from Hashirama).

And Kushina subdued the Kyuubi even though she's weaker than it, and Minato sealed it even though he is weaker than it.

Madara will most likely use some OP Rinnegan sealing Jutsu to subdue it momentarily and seal it into himself.

BUT you are forgetting one thing both Mito and Minato were using super powerful Fuinjutsu, Mito being a Fuinjutsu master herself. Then Kushina has some kind of special chakra so she was different. The fact still remains that if Madara does not have some kind of super super powerful Fuinjutsu to restrain the Juubi then he will be just as helpless as everyone else..

 

[KidGamer65]

You got it wrong, completely. So wrong it doesn't make any sense. How can base Rikudou sennin defeat another rikudou, madara with juubi's power to boost? It's simple, he can't.

If you are actually going to argue this then I am going to facepalm so hard. On his deathbed as an old man he made the moon w/o the Juubi, if you think he can't then you are reading the wrong manga.

The Base Rikudou Sennin in his prime is WAY stronger than Edo Madara right now, adding an incomplete Juubi isn't going to make him stronger or as strong as the Sage..ever.

Creating the moon isn't something that can be done without the juubi, obito clarified it during the summit that what made rikudou sennin god-like was the juubi's power. The rikudou sage obviously kept some of the juubi's chakra despite sealing it (because bijuu chakra mixes with it's host after some time) Madara only has a"fragment of the of the sages power because he lacks the juubi. But if he were to complete it as he plans and become it's jinchuriki he would be just as strong, more or less.

After he separated the juubi into the bijuu he made the moon, that means it wasn't inside him, don't assume what the Sage did, you don't know if he kept some of Juubi's chakra, you are assuming he did so you can try to say Edo Madara is near his level even though Edo Madara is FAR weaker than the Sage.

And do you hear yourself, your saying if he got an incomplete Juubi he would be as strong as the Sage. :sy:

 

[MickNerks]

OMG.. this is sooo stupid.. Madara is not greater that the juubi... The juubi would destroy madara by sneezing on him.. The so6p's sealed the juubi inside of himself. We dont actually know if he actually battled the juubi, all we know is that he sealed the juubi.

Madara is summoning a watered-down juubi thru the demonic statue. He all ready has controll of the statue,so there wont be a battle of gaining control of the juubi's powers. If madara was a badass as most of you say he is, then he would have just took the juubi's body out of the moon and returned the bijuu chakra to it and conquered it that way/..

Most of you are seriously overestimating madara. He is nowhere near sage of six paths.. Mokuton doesnt make him more like that sage, niether does his EMS. That only thing that he has in common with the sage is the rinnegan, and madara hasnt even mastered it like nagato.. so therefore madara is $h!t compaired to the sage and he is nothing compaired to the Juubi.

 

[Dark Artist]

what an ignorant fanboy u are

how u compare gaydara to the SO6P !!!

it's like comparing Konohamaru with Minato ...

gaydara is just a fodder comparing to SO6P

i mean hashirama kicked his ass ALONG WITH KYUBI

SO6P will destroy him in 1 second