How Itachi lands a potentially fatal blow on Obito

[Forbidden Technique]

no its not! Where are you getting this bullshit from? Do you even read the manga??? Let me teach you some facts since you clearly do not know any!
1. Susanoo isnt fast, fact!
2. Susanoo is a last resort since it hurts, cost wayyy too much chakra, and itachi knows his limits
3. Nobody knows when tobi is in "ghost mode", there isnt a way to know if he's in it or not. Otherwise minato/kakashi/guy/KM naruto would of land a hit when they could at first (minato later had to do ftg 2, kakashi used kamui.. Both s/t techs that itacbi does not have)
4. Tobi knows everything about itachi, everything about the sharingan and he would know how to counter everything itachi uses before he uses them
5. Tobi is smarter then itachi
6. Tobi has more chakra, stamina, durability etc etc
7. Tobi also is of uchiha blood, so according to itachi himself, tobi can break tsukuyomi. But that doesnt even matter since tobi could fight with out direct contact!
8. Amateratsu has been proven useless by tobi already
9. Tobi has many other jutsus to use on itachi


Nothing of what itachi has shown could defeat tobi, its a fact of the manga. I hate when noobs make threads with no manga proof backing up anything. And are clearly biased! Please i beg you reread the entire manga! PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Honest question. Is this a joke?
1. Susanoo itself isn't fast, but it isn't entirely slow either. The activation of it is, fast as the speed of sound.
2. That is correct, i never said it wasn't. But if Itachi is about be warped what else is he going to do? He has to do something. In my scenario, it is a last resort.
3. People know he becomes tangible during the process of warping someone. Which in fact, is the case in my scenario.
4. Yes, i never said he didn't. And are you assuming Itachi knows nothing about Tobis techniques?
5. Most likely yes, again didn't say he wasn't. This doesn't mean you can discredit Itachi intelligence though.
6. Yes, yes, never said he didn't
7. I've already stated in a previous comment Itachis genjutsu won't work on him.
8. Never have i brought up Amaterasu.
9. Like what? I'm talking about Sharingan Tobi. All he has shown is Kamui and Katon.

You're putting a lot of things into my mouth, or technically thread, that i have not said or posted.
I have provided Manga proof on how Itachi has the potential to hit Tobi. I am not even close to biased. I think its clear to anybody reading your post and previous posts, that your an anti itachi.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

lets be real here... tobi has no way of countering susanoo he can't warp the whole thing and he can't outsmart itachi ... no fanboyism just pure reality

Anti Itachi above you begs to differ.

He also forgot that Obito countered A coming at him with full speed aswell! (at the kage summit) Ofc obito will be fast for anything itachi tries to do. Itachi isnt fast nor ahas a faster move then Amateratsu, which tobi already countered

You're dismissing my scenario. This isn't a straight forward attack, where Tobi sees it coming like with A. Since the only way for Tobi to win, is to warp Itachi, this is during the attempt of being warped by Tobi. When Tobi is tangible and literally a few feet away.

 

[OnPoint]

What are you talking about? Itachi was able to anticipate Kirin because Sasuke foolishly gave away he was about to use such a technique. It's silly to think anyone in the manga can actually react to an unexpected attack which is travelling at the speed of lightning. Where have you obtained this idea that it takes Obito 3 seconds to warp someone? Torune was warped near instantly. The speed of sound is faster then Minato's instant teleportation? Itachi will be fast enough to activate Susanoo (to an unanticipated attack) and have it swing its arm? A lot wrong here.

 

[Simple Math]

So susanoo being able to be activated faster then the speed of sound, faster then Minato, will not be able to land a punch on Obito?

Put that speed into consideration, and go through the motion in your head. Itachi activated susanoo and it hammers Obito into the ground...all within a second tops. This is as fast as, or even faster then Minatos attack.



Okay and i stated how Itachi is able to land a hit, with facts to back it up. So whats your point?

I'm also still waiting on your other reason how Obito defeats Itachi.

mokuton, kamui, spacetime sucking - and also.. obito counter everything itachi has!

 

[Forbidden Technique]

What are you talking about? Itachi was able to anticipate Kirin because Sasuke foolishly gave away he was about to use such a technique. It's silly to think anyone in the manga can actually react to an unexpected attack which is travelling at the speed of lightning. Where have you obtained this idea that it takes Obito 3 seconds to warp someone? Torune was warped near instantly. The speed of sound is faster then Minato's instant teleportation? Itachi will be fast enough to activate Susanoo (to an unanticipated attack) and have it swing its arm? A lot wrong here.

True, he was able to anticipate it, but its not like soon as Sasuke brought it up he activated susanoo in immediate defense. He still was able to activate it a split second before it hit...so it still did the job within the 1/1000th of a second.
I said around 3 seconds, it takes to warp someone. It took far longer then instantly to fully a warp a person. Do you understand how fast an instant can be?
I kind off is an anticipated attack, considering Obitos only means of winning is to warp Itachi. So ofcourse, he sees it coming.

 

[Solo]

5. Tobi is smarter then itachi

No he's not. Tobi knew NOTHING about Edo Tensei. Not even how to stop it.


While Itachi on the other hand didn't need a rocket scientist to tell him to use Genjutsu on the user.

 

[The God of Wind]

Itachi first
Obito second
Sasuke third
Naruto

 

[OnPoint]

True, he was able to anticipate it, but its not like soon as Sasuke brought it up he activated susanoo in immediate defense. He still was able to activate it a split second before it hit...so it still did the job within the 1/1000th of a second.
I said around 3 seconds, it takes to warp someone. It took far longer then instantly to fully a warp a person. Do you understand how fast an instant can be?
I kind off is an anticipated attack, considering Obitos only means of winning is to warp Itachi. So ofcourse, he sees it coming.

If Itachi didn't know Kirin was coming, he wouldn't have been able to react (no-one could). It's a simple observation.

No, it did not take anywhere near 3 seconds to warp a full person. Obito appeared and Torune was

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, just like that. Appearing from anywhere under the ground, after potentially hiding chakra from this dimension, cannot simply be anticipated. Even after Minato escaped the initial warp (with the fastest jutsu in the manga), Obito was still confident of catching him via such means (with just one touch), seen

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and

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. That in itself speaks volumes. Kakashi, after drastically improving his Kamui skills, was able to

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Naruto's entire Kage Bunshin incredibly fast (with Obito even displaying his

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at such speed). So this figure of 3 seconds is ridiculously far-fetched.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

mokuton, kamui, spacetime sucking - and also.. obito counter everything itachi has!

Kamui and space time sucking is the same thing, and Obito has only shown to use Mokuton when wearing Zetsus body.

 

[lsgteam]

One of the few serious Itachi Threads here.
thanks+rep

 

[Forbidden Technique]

If Itachi didn't know Kirin was coming, he wouldn't have been able to react (no-one could). It's a simple observation.

No, it did not take anywhere near 3 seconds to warp a full person. Obito appeared and Torune was

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, just like that. Appearing from anywhere under the ground, after potentially hiding chakra from this dimension, cannot simply be anticipated. Even after Minato escaped the initial warp (with the fastest jutsu in the manga), Obito was still confident of catching him via such means (with just one touch), seen

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and

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. That in itself speaks volumes. Kakashi, after drastically improving his Kamui skills, was able to

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Naruto's entire Kage Bunshin incredibly fast (with Obito even displaying his

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at such speed). So this figure of 3 seconds is ridiculously far-fetched.

@ Bold - I understand that. Your ignoring the fact that he still was able to do it. Yes it was expected, but according to the manga, he was still able to activate it within that 1/1000 of a second. There is nothing you can say to take that away from him, its a manga fact.
The bigger the object, the longer its going to take to warp. Obito is not able to warp a susanoo in no where near instantly. So it really doesn't even matter. Susanoo can still activate faster then Obito can warp.
If you really want to argue the timing, watch the anime. It took Obito at least 2 seconds to fully warp each of Danzous body guards.

 

[OnPoint]

@ Bold - I understand that. Your ignoring the fact that he still was able to do it. Yes it was expected, but according to the manga, he was still able to activate it within that 1/1000 of a second. There is nothing you can say to take that away from him, its a manga fact.
The bigger the object, the longer its going to take to warp. Obito is not able to warp a susanoo in no where near instantly. So it really doesn't even matter. Susanoo can still activate faster then Obito can warp.
If you really want to argue the timing, watch the anime. It took Obito at least 2 seconds to fully warp each of Danzous body guards.

It doesn't really matter how you try and twist things. The speed of thought has been clocked at around 550-750 milliseconds (as opposed to the 1 millisecond it took for Kirin to reach the ground). Itachi would've been slaughtered had he not been conditioned to believe an offensive jutsu was about to be used, considering it would take him that amount of time just to realize (in his mind) something was going on. You're mentioning Susanoo but it would play no role. Itachi very likely erected only his rib cage Susanoo to block Kirin, and it won't present a threat to Obito in this form. A complete Susanoo would be more dangerous with the Totsuka Blade, but that'd be near suicide when we factor in Itachi's health problems and Susanoo's lack of underneath protection (which Obito could exploit effortlessly). The Anime is not canon and you didn't counter anything I showed which canonically puts Kamui near the top of the manga interms of outright jutsu speed.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

It doesn't really matter how you try and twist things. The speed of thought has been clocked at around 550-750 milliseconds (as opposed to the 1 millisecond it took for Kirin to reach the ground). Itachi would've been slaughtered had he not been conditioned to believe an offensive jutsu was about to be used, considering it would take him that amount of time just to realize (in his mind) something was going on. You're mentioning Susanoo but it would play no role. Itachi very likely erected only his rib cage Susanoo to block Kirin, and it won't present a threat to Obito in this form. A complete Susanoo would be more dangerous with the Totsuka Blade, but that'd be near suicide when we factor in Itachi's health problems and Susanoo's lack of underneath protection (which Obito could exploit effortlessly). The Anime is not canon and you didn't counter anything I showed which canonically puts Kamui near the top of the manga interms of outright jutsu speed.

Good God.
Am i really here arguing with someone who just tried to put human logic into an anime? :sy:

I assume you can fly, summon giant animals, and revive my great uncle from the dead using your edo tensei?

You claim i am twisting up things, when actually it is you. The FACT is Itachi activated his susanoo before Kirin hit him. You're DENYING manga facts.
Manga > You. Get over it.

 

[ixc]

I'll make it easier for you.

Obito/Tobi admitted that he would have been dead if Itachi knew about his secret. Which means that he knew that Itachi would have found a way to kill him if he DID know about his Kamui. It's a fact stated by the Manga just ****ing deal with it kiddo's

Itachi has Izanami which can counter Izanagi.

Itachi outbrains Obito.

 

[AngryRock]

If Itachi didn't know Kirin was coming, he wouldn't have been able to react (no-one could). It's a simple observation.

No, it did not take anywhere near 3 seconds to warp a full person. Obito appeared and Torune was

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, just like that. Appearing from anywhere under the ground, after potentially hiding chakra from this dimension, cannot simply be anticipated. Even after Minato escaped the initial warp (with the fastest jutsu in the manga), Obito was still confident of catching him via such means (with just one touch), seen

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and

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. That in itself speaks volumes. Kakashi, after drastically improving his Kamui skills, was able to

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Naruto's entire Kage Bunshin incredibly fast (with Obito even displaying his

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at such speed). So this figure of 3 seconds is ridiculously far-fetched.

If someone has the sharingan or Bykaguan they have a chance to react to Kirin. How?

Sharingan:
1.Sees chakra
2.Easier to see, clarity, perception, etc...

Byakugan:
1.Huge range of vision
2.sees chakra

Kakashi blocked lightning with lightning blade so that means he can react to lightning. I assume that he could not dodge the lightning so he cut it instead.

 

[Zato]

Obito says to him self that Itachi could have killed him if he knew his secret. Obviously he is talking about the secret behind his MS abilities. This means that there is a way to attack and hurt him without having to use Kamui. Obito claims that he hid that well from Itachi. I can't say who would win because Itachi is very smart and very observant he can come up with counters just from seeing an ability once. This is why fights like these can only be decided by Kishi because Itachi is a special type of character. Blame Kishi for making him that way.

Look how Minato was able to hit Tobi for an example. All Minato did was out smart him. Tobi relies too much on his MS abilities and that was the reason he got hit by Minato. Tobi should have seen something like that coming if he knows that Minato can teleport to his Kunai(which he did). But instead of dodging the Kunai he just phased through it.

Tobi knew that how Minato's abilities works fully and he was still outsmarted. Its because Tobi relies way too much on his MS abilities that led to him getting defeated by Minato.

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[OnPoint]

Good God.
Am i really here arguing with someone who just tried to put human logic into an anime? :sy:

I assume you can fly, summon giant animals, and revive my great uncle from the dead using your edo tensei?

You claim i am twisting up things, when actually it is you. The FACT is Itachi activated his susanoo before Kirin hit him. You're DENYING manga facts.
Manga > You. Get over it.

Laughable. Even the manga used basic laws, obviously, otherwise people would just fall off of the world due to a lack of gravity. There was mention of the actual speed of real world lightning. It's interesting that you speak of the use of 'human logic' as if the speed of thought is some complicated shit (when, on basic level, it is simply electricity moving through your brain). You continually avoid the matter in question likely because you lack something to say which can explain it. Itachi merely anticipated Kirin because of Sasuke, clear as day. Or if we want to simply take what happened in the manga out of context, Itachi

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even dodge Sasuke's shuriken. No ifs, no buts. No situational circumstances. No handicaps, no nothing. It happened therefore it's true. Manga > whatever anyone says. Lets see how long such retarded logic lasts.

Still no response to anything which was said regarding Obito's Kamui.

If someone has the sharingan or Bykaguan they have a chance to react to Kirin. How?

Sharingan:
1.Sees chakra
2.Easier to see, clarity, perception, etc...

Byakugan:
1.Huge range of vision
2.sees chakra

Kakashi blocked lightning with lightning blade so that means he can react to lightning. I assume that he could not dodge the lightning so he cut it instead.

Sees chakra? You do realise that Kirin is

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chakra based and is merely the manipulation of actual lightning, right?

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Sasuke and Itachi indicated that the former was absolutely empty when it came to his chakra supplies at that moment. So what 'chakra' are they going to be seeing? I would love to see Neji or the like avoid a jutsu which has been labelled as completely

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, something which was

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emphasised.

A page of Kakashi actually cutting lightning in half please. It was also suggested Amaterasu was as hot as the sun, so feats need to be distinguished from hyperbole.

 

[YellowFlash1]

The only reason that minato didn't blitz him like crazy was because he had to make sure he wasn't in-tangled.

He reduced his speed and waited for the right second to make sure that tobi was tangible to land the hit.

Now .. Tell me how itachi activating susanoo will help him? Obito will just destroy him.

Obito could just stay in-tangled and walk through his susanoo, there isn't anything that itachi has in his arsenal that could hurt tobi.

 

[FoxSikes]

no one knows