[Debate] Are Earth's Features A Product Of Blind Chance Or Of Purposeful Design? [READ]

[theRPGdude]

Life on earth could never existed were not for a series of very fortunate "coincidences" some of which were unknown or poorly understood until the 20th century. Those coincidence include:

• Earths location in the Milky Way galaxy and the solar system, as well the planets orbit, tilt, rotational speed, and unusual moon.

• A magnetic field and an atmosphere that serve as a dual shield.

• Natural cycles that replenish and cleanse the planet's air and water supply.

As you consider each of there. Are earths features a product of blind chance or of purposeful design?*

For example: just one hundred grams of soil has been found to host 10,000 species of bacteria, not to mention the total number of microbes. Some species have been found underground two miles!

Air in addition to the birds, bats, and insects that fly through the air, the atmosphere is filled with pollen and other spores, as well as seeds and thousands of different microbes.

Water, the oceans remain largely a mystery because in order to study the watery deep, money is needed which can be expensive. Even coral reefs host millions of unknown species.

Did the impressive variety of life happen by chance? Or was is designed?*

 

[ghost nappa]

I'm going to go with purposeful. Everything just just fits too darn perfectly to be sheer luck. That, and the generation of life from inorganic matter is a scientific impossibility.

 

[Grim]

There's alot to add, but here's where it get's crazy Freemasons believe in Architect instead of God. Humans genetically modified and Earth designed/created by some sort of intelligence? ? ?

sounds impossible, but definitely a possibility :3

 

[Germanicus]

Not again; this will just end up being another general science vs. creationism debate... U_U

 

[GreenV]

Of course it's designed.

God made the universe well.

 

[Deadai]

We are just lucky to have such nice living conditions is all.

 

[Traffy]

Your mind is already made up so why did you even ask, to see other people agree with you and believe in god?

 

[ShishaMastah420]

The question you should be asking isn't Who or What caused the Universe but how the Universe works.

The less you know the more you can learn.

Searching for a creator is like playing with Russian Nesting Dolls, because every creation needs a creator; According logic.

 

[AngryRock]

Well if oxygen was in the earth atmosphere then life cannot happen by chance because of oxidation. That is why some evolutionists propose that life began in the oceans. Though that cannot happen because of hydrolysis. So then some evolutionists propose that there was no oxygen in the earth's atmosphere but hold on; the earth's ozone layer is made up of oxygen. No ozone layer also = no life.

So with just those few things prove that earth was created and life was not by accident.

 

[ImmaculateShadow]

Life on earth could never existed were not for a series of very fortunate "coincidences" some of which were unknown or poorly understood until the 20th century. Those coincidence include:

• Earths location in the Milky Way galaxy and the solar system, as well the planets orbit, tilt, rotational speed, and unusual moon.

• A magnetic field and an atmosphere that serve as a dual shield.

• Natural cycles that replenish and cleanse the planet's air and water supply.

As you consider each of there. Are earths features a product of blind chance or of purposeful design?*

For example: just one hundred grams of soil has been found to host 10,000 species of bacteria, not to mention the total number of microbes. Some species have been found underground two miles!

Air in addition to the birds, bats, and insects that fly through the air, the atmosphere is filled with pollen and other spores, as well as seeds and thousands of different microbes.

Water, the oceans remain largely a mystery because in order to study the watery deep, money is needed which can be expensive. Even coral reefs host millions of unknown species.

Did the impressive variety of life happen by chance? Or was is designed?*

I love these kinds of threads — they can seriously go ether way!

What makes you think that "chance" has to do with anything? Order? It's all perspective.

When you realize that the map of the universe your looking at is one which you have created, through a selective process, is when you realize that being a mystic is easier than you were told.

† HOW TO BE A MYSTIC †

The word "Yoga" and the word "Yoke" come from the same root, which means two things hitched together. Like two lovers holding hands.

Now, to be a mystic you have to realize your union with the entire universe. Sound hard? Go ahead and try. Done? Feel any different?

This might seem impossible to do. For instance, you might feel like you get what I'm saying intellectually but you still feel like the same old you you've always been. The truth is, actually, that your experiencing your union with every thing right NOW ... other wise you wouldn't be experiencing any thing at all.

But as human beings we filter nearly the entire universe out of our waking minds to the point at which it becomes easy to define objects in life and create who you are as an personality. Robert Anton Wilson called this a "reality tunnel." He use to say that out of the infinity of information that is bombarding you at every moment you choose to notice certain things and ignore others. Through this filtering process your description, or "map," of reality is created. And that this is the way things actually are.

You create your reality.

You are the magician who makes the grass green. [zen koan]

But you don't do it consciously ...

Every one sees things differently. For instance, dogs see grass differently than human beings do and so the effect which we could call reality is different for them than it is for us. But this also works on a person to person scale — like how you see things differently than the Pope. [by the way, I'm the Pope — yes, the Pope loves Naruto] It's about you being there and the grass being there at the same time to create the greenness of the grass — it's a MYSTERY!!! A happening of opposites! Yes, well that's great, but ... how does it work?

It works because of your union with every thing! It is because of this — unconscious — union that creates all of reality! Change the subconscious mind and you change reality. This is the bases for all magick.

But ... WTF am I getting at!?!?

This — if you change the lines on the map of reality then there CAN'T be chance or coincidence. Hence your premiss of an 'ether/or' situation with a designer, god or chance, coincidence is completely irrelevant.

You are the magician that makes the grass green.

So how do you know that you know? Once you realize this truth you just know, like finding your lover in a sea of faces — you'll have no doubt what so ever.

Life comes from life! Yet architect is the wrong paradigm. Because you weren't created. You are growing. Always have been. You grew because the conditions were right for you to grow. And so it is with every thing — suns, planets, dolphins, dung beetles ... black holes.

Just because you might not think our Sun is alive, or any sun for that matter, doesn't mean it isn't ... I mean ... you don't have an 'I/thou' relationship with an ant who lives out side of your front door, do you. No. So why can't it be that way with every thing else that you don't understand on an intellectual level?

The universe is like a cell — and we are the DNA. Simple as that. How do I know? Let's just say that I'm an alchemist and that I've spent the majority of my life looking for my own lapis philosophorum, only to find that it was carrying me on it's back.



— cheers

 

[Shinobi Train]

Not again; this will just end up being another general science vs. creationism debate... U_U

Yeah, it just keeps going, and neither side will win...U_U

To an atheist, the belief in a creator seems ignorant. To a theist, the belief that there isn't a creator seems ignorant. I for one see the idea of evolution and atheism as a whole to be extremely arrogant and blind. I won't judge what another believes, that's not for me to do...the question is what are you going to tell your Creator when he asks you why you didn't believe in Him. I just hope He lets me watch, at least it will be amusing, and at that moment you'll still have a chance actually...that is, if you answer correctly and He can tell that you're ready to submit and obey. That's all He wants, He just wants obedience, but not obedience out of fear, but out of love.

 

[Makoto]

If the universe always existed, that defies the law of entropy because disorder will always increase overall, and a point will come where it can no longer increase because it will have reached its maximum. You can't have an end with no beginning, you either have a beginning and an end, or neither. Therefore, the universe did have a beginning at some point in time. A creator whose had a creator whose had a creator and so on is illogical, because there would be an infinite regress, a logical impossibility. The only logical explanation is an uncreated creator. That is why I believe in God.

A reason I don't think life happened by accident or chance is because abiogenesis has yet to be proven.

 

[ImmaculateShadow]

Well if oxygen was in the earth atmosphere then life cannot happen by chance because of oxidation. That is why some evolutionists propose that life began in the oceans. Though that cannot happen because of hydrolysis. So then some evolutionists propose that there was no oxygen in the earth's atmosphere but hold on; the earth's ozone layer is made up of oxygen. No ozone layer also = no life.

So with just those few things prove that earth was created and life was not by accident.

You are excluding the possibility that life doesn't depend on biology but instead on consciousness & form alone.

Conditions were right on this planet to GROW what we have called biological forms of life.

Yeah, it just keeps going, and neither side will win...U_U

To an atheist, the belief in a creator seems ignorant. To a theist, the belief that there isn't a creator seems ignorant. I for one see the idea of evolution and atheism as a whole to be extremely arrogant and blind. I won't judge what another believes, that's not for me to do...the question is what are you going to tell your Creator when he asks you why you didn't believe in Him. I just hope He lets me watch, at least it will be amusing, and at that moment you'll still have a chance actually...that is, if you answer correctly and He can tell that you're ready to submit and obey. That's all He wants, He just wants obedience, but not obedience out of fear, but out of love.

I doubt any kind of god-king — like this god of yours for instance — with their back to a wall telling me that I must submit to it's rule or be cast away is, in fact, doing so out of love. That sounds like fear. See when one is a king that king has quite literally pulled one over every one's head. They have the leg up. That's why they demand loyalty. Because quiet subjects don't revolt — they serve.

If I was god, I'd make my divine presence desirable & easy to find in nature and life. Just like ecstatic states of consciousness or what happens on 5 dried grams of Psilocybin Cubensis. An orgasm! Then I would make it so every one would have to work together to solve the mysteries of divine relationship by making every one individual and thus their perspectives exclusive ...

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FYI — Atheism isn't the belief that their is no kind of deity, but simply the absence of a belief in a deity. There for, one who takes a philosophically positive stance on the divine as nonexistent could be called an anti-theist.

If the universe always existed, that defies the law of entropy because disorder will always increase overall, and a point will come where it can no longer increase because it will have reached its maximum.

What's funny here is that you haven't stated what's gaining entropy. Is it the entire Universe? Because you can't make that statement — what if I told you that every flower was red? No. Sorry, no.

Are you saying that all the stars that exist are all the stars that will ever exist? Because that's just false. All we have to do is look to see if absolute zero exists [it does] as a state in the universe and if stars can be born despite this [they are].

Do you know if the universe is infinite? No, you don't. For all you know our universe could be the shape of a donut.

You can't have an end with no beginning, you either have a beginning and an end, or neither. Therefore, the universe did have a beginning at some point in time. A creator whose had a creator whose had a creator and so on is illogical, because there would be an infinite regress, a logical impossibility. The only logical explanation is an uncreated creator. That is why I believe in God.

A reason I don't think life happened by accident or chance is because abiogenesis has yet to be proven.

Given the unknown size of the universe — an origins or end may not even exist.

Think cyclical.

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[Makoto]

You are excluding the possibility that life doesn't depend on biology but instead on consciousness & form alone.

Conditions were right on this planet to GROW what we have called biological forms of life.


I doubt any kind of god-king — like this god of yours for instance — with their back to a wall telling me that I must submit to it's rule or be cast away is, in fact, doing so out of love. That sounds like fear. See when one is a king that king has quite literally pulled one over every one's head. They have the leg up. That's why they demand loyalty. Because quiet subjects don't revolt — they serve.

If I was god, I'd make my divine presence desirable & easy to find in nature and life. Just like ecstatic states of consciousness or what happens on 5 dried grams of Psilocybin Cubensis. An orgasm! Then I would make it so every one would have to work together to solve the mysteries of divine relationship by making every one individual and thus their perspectives exclusive ...

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FYI — Atheism isn't the belief that their is no kind of deity, but simply the absence of a belief in a deity. There for, one who takes a philosophically positive stance on the divine as nonexistent could be called an anti-theist.


What's funny here is that you haven't stated what's gaining entropy. Is it the entire Universe? Because you can't make that statement — what if I told you that every flower was red? No. Sorry, no.

Are you saying that all the stars that exist are all the stars that will ever exist? Because that's just false. All we have to do is look to see if absolute zero exists [it does] as a state in the universe and if stars can be born despite this [they are].

Do you know if the universe is infinite? No, you don't. For all you know our universe could be the shape of a donut.



Given the unknown size of the universe — an origins or end may not even exist.

Think cyclical.

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First of all, a heat death of the universe is not science fiction. It's the current hypothesis by scientists and the most likely one due to the universe not containing enough matter to have a big crunch. Therefore, a heat death supports the universe's end, unless scientists come up with a better hypothesis or theory. The universe only has so much hydrogen, it can't support star formation forever.

Second, the universe's temperature is NOT absolute zero as you like to assume and stars don't form in absolute zero. Star formation occurs at a temperature slightly higher than absolute zero.

Finally, I have to ask you, who knows whether the universe is infinite or not? It's a given no one knows, so your question is pointless in debunking my reasoning for my belief in the existence of God. It's also irrelevant because whether it's finite or not has nothing to do with my reasoning for God's existence. Finite or not, it neither supports nor debunks my claim. Shape of the universe is also irrelevant.

Just to be clear, when I say an end to the universe, I don't mean the point at which you reach the edge of the universe, I mean at the point the universe "dies" and reaches the temperature of absolute zero afterwards.

 

[Anorien16]

Funny thing that came to my mind:

Well the Sun is big body that continuously radiates radiations, some of which are fatal for life........ so the creator created a problem first then found a solution though Ozone layer....... so did he create the problem first just to find a solution and show off how smart he was?