Naruto >>Madara (READ READ READ)

[Onslaught]

he isnt jumping or moving out of the way of an area that spans the AOE of a mountain range no matter what you think. kurama isnt anywhere near the size of perfect susano. whats it gonna do, wrap its tails around its feet. they get chopped off.


guess what. madara kept up with hashirama who had beastly chakra levels. you didnt even refute the fact that hashirama and madara fought for extended periods of time and rewrote maps. madara has the most powerful chakra of any uchiha and he keeps up perfect susano for as long as he wants and naruto dies quickly whether you like it or not. kakashi and guy werent a mountain ranges length away from naruto when he deflected the tbbs.

I didnt refute the fact they probably fought for an extended period of time but I said he probably didnt have susano up all fight. Having strong chakra doesnt mean you have a large chakra pool he cant keep up susano for too much time when he is not edo like you think and Naruto speed is almost as like his father , he would be able to dodge the sword and if he can deflect 5 TBB what make you think he cant do the same thing with the sword. Stop saying madara wins easily when he cleary isnt. With his speed, power and chakra naruto can fight and can win against ems madara.

 

[dangerXzone]

nah i think you need to reread the manga because he never said that he doesnt have it. He implied the contrary which was using perfect susano against hashirama when he only had ems.

nope im right he clearly say ididnt unlock the perfect susanoo until he unlocked the rinnegan. We are talking about ems madara not after he achieved his rinnegan.

 

[Turson]

he isnt jumping or moving out of the way of an area that spans the AOE of a mountain range no matter what you think. kurama isnt anywhere near the size of perfect susano. whats it gonna do, wrap its tails around its feet. they get chopped off.

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-> I think you are underrating size of these beasts and might of Kurama.

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-> Naruto was able to subdue 5 tailed beasts using only five oh his tails.

Naruto has bigger chances than you think he has.

 

[Onslaught]

nope im right he clearly say ididnt unlock the perfect susanoo until he unlocked the rinnegan. We are talking about ems madara not after he achieved his rinnegan.

I have to agree with thesage456 on that, he said he unlock rinnengan before his death but he never said PS was a rinengan jutsu. Correct me if i'm wrong and show us the page where it is state

 

[TheSages456]

nope im right he clearly say ididnt unlock the perfect susanoo until he unlocked the rinnegan. We are talking about ems madara not after he achieved his rinnegan.

he never said that. i dont think you should be posting until you refresh your knowledge on the manga. go find the manga page where madara said what you are claiming. dont quote my comment unless you have something productive to contribute to the debate not that the people that im debating with have anything productive to contribute anyway.

 

[Turson]

nope im right he clearly say ididnt unlock the perfect susanoo until he unlocked the rinnegan. We are talking about ems madara not after he achieved his rinnegan.

Actually, you are wrong. Oonoki asked Madara why he didnt use this power in the past when they fought against each other, Madara answered that Oonoki was just a kid at that time.

 

[Onslaught]

he never said that. i dont think you should be posting until you refresh your knowledge on the manga. go find the manga page where madara said what you are claiming. dont quote my comment unless you have something productive to contribute to the debate not that the people that im debating with have anything productive to contribute anyway.

You are not really contributing to the debate, you only keep saying PS stomps because he can spam. How is it debating? Madara stated himself that the bijuu can be compared with PS and yet you keep trying to debate PS stomps kurama easily. At the moment the only fact u state is that madara fought hashirama and susano can slash montain and I dont see where it make madara win easily because naruto can counter and fight PS with his BM.

 

[TheSages456]

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-> I think you are underrating size of these beasts and might of Kurama.

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-> Naruto was able to subdue 5 tailed beasts using only five oh his tails.

Naruto has bigger chances than you think he has.

LOL nope. this is the size of 100% kurama.

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its still smaller than perfect susano. mind you that the kurama that naruto has is only half as big as 100% kurama.

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now look at the meteor that madara brought down:

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it reaches the height of the cumulus clouds in the air. cumulus clouds are roughly 2 km in the air. 100% kyuubi was nowhere near this big much less the nerfed kyuubi.

now this is perfect susano:

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nobody is underrating naruto. its pathetically clear that he stands no chance vs madara.

 

[TheSages456]

You are not really contributing to the debate, you only keep saying PS stomps because he can spam. How is it debating? Madara stated himself that the bijuu can be compared with PS and yet you keep trying to debate PS stomps kurama easily. At the moment the only fact u state is that madara fought hashirama and susano can slash montain and I dont see where it make madara win easily because naruto can counter and fight PS with his BM.

no madara said that bijuus had power like his perfect susano and he was obviously talking about their tbb which has a charge time and cant be spammed. a sword slash requires no prep time and can be spammed and madara gets similar results that a tailed beast would get through tbb with a simple sword swing. madara also stated that his susano was meant for destruction. perfect susano is more efficient than a bijuu.

 

[Onslaught]

LOL nope. this is the size of 100% kurama.

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its still smaller than perfect susano. mind you that the kurama that naruto has is only half as big as 100% kurama.

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now look at the meteor that madara brought down:

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it reaches the height of the cumulus clouds in the air. cumulus clouds are roughly 2 km in the air. 100% kyuubi was nowhere near this big much less the nerfed kyuubi.

now this is perfect susano:

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nobody is underrating naruto. its pathetically clear that he stands no chance vs madara.

You are underrating naruto. It wasnt cumulus cloud, it was dust cloud that came from the creation of the forest, its clear susano do not reach 2 KM while I agree PS is probably bigger than kurama but not that much. And its clear naruto stand a chance against madara with ems

 

[Onslaught]

no madara said that bijuus had power like his perfect susano and he was obviously talking about their tbb which has a charge time and cant be spammed. a sword slash requires no prep time and can be spammed and madara gets similar results that a tailed beast would get through tbb with a simple sword swing. madara also stated that his susano was meant for destruction. perfect susano is more efficient than a bijuu.

Kurama isnt any bijuu, he is the strongest and by far. Kurama wasnt meant for hugging people, he is destruction as state in the begenning of the manga where his tails created tornado and destroying montains.

 

[TheSages456]

You are underrating naruto. It wasnt cumulus cloud, it was dust cloud that came from the creation of the forest, its clear susano do not reach 2 KM while I agree PS is probably bigger than kurama but not that much. And its clear naruto stand a chance against madara with ems

da fuq? that wasnt dust from a the forest. the meteor reaches the elevation of the clouds.

look at the 1st meteor not the 2nd one:

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that was a horrible excuse.

 

[TheSages456]

Kurama isnt any bijuu, he is the strongest and by far. Kurama wasnt meant for hugging people, he is destruction as state in the begenning of the manga where his tails created tornado and destroying montains.

which is why kurama on a rampage didnt even destroy the leaf village.

 

[Turson]

nobody is underrating naruto. its pathetically clear that he stands no chance vs madara.

Like I said, you ae underrating Kyuubis might. Each one of his tails was able to hold still one tailed beast, while Madara said that power of PS is comparable to power of Bijuu.
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if Madara was that powerful he wouldnt even bother by enslaving Kurama. Moreover, Minato, during his fight with Tobi suggested that Madara was able to control the Kyuubi only for short spans of time. Even with that, its power was worth enough for Madara to summon and use it againt Hashirama, even though he most probably knew beforehand that Hashirama is able to supress Kyuubis powers.

 

[Onslaught]

da fuq? that wasnt dust from a the forest. the meteor reaches the elevation of the clouds.

look at the 1st meteor not the 2nd one:

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that was a horrible excuse.

The meteor was in the cloud while he was falling, when we see Susano beside the meteor their is no cloud at all and IF you are right and it reach the cloud, cloud arent always at the same height so saying the meteor is 2 KM is pure speculation

 

[Onslaught]

which is why kurama on a rampage didnt even destroy the leaf village.

I dont know maybe because they're were hundred of shinobi including the third and fourth hokage that was pushing him out of the village and the fourth teleporting his TBB?

 

[Turson]

which is why kurama on a rampage didnt even destroy the leaf village.

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-> Look at it. That was Hachibis power, Kurama is much stronger than that. You are saying that Bijuu are just some trashed compared to PS, while manga clearly proves that you are wrong.

 

[Onslaught]

lol its really kinda pointless posting anymore in this troll thread.

the op is a narutofanboy and thinks narutos Tbb>perfect susanno.

am i the only one who saw madara jutsu that repels back any attack back at the attacker?

Nothing naruto can do would hurt madara.

why tbb wont work

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need more?

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Need more? madara taught obito ever thing he knows

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madara probably even has more uchiha ninjutsu up his sleeve while naruto doesnt have anything.

its not about underateing naruto, its about who you fanboys are overateing naruto. and underateing madara the guy whole solo the 5 kages, has godly like jutsu, teach obito everything he knows, soloed kurma with his eys and made him his summoning.

Madara has even stated that the only one who could defeat him was hashirama.

The one who soloed the kage is edo madara not EMS madara, but i have to agree madara has better chance of winning but saying he stomps naruto is stupid, naruto has a chance of winning we didnt all of his power yet

 

[TheSages456]

The meteor was in the cloud while he was falling, when we see Susano beside the meteor their is no cloud at all and IF you are right and it reach the cloud, cloud arent always at the same height so saying the meteor is 2 KM is pure speculation

it looks as if you ignored the first pic which clearly shows that each individual meteor can reach the height of the clouds. im not the one speculating about some dust and shit. i gave you manga panels. your argument got disproved.

I dont know maybe because they're were hundred of shinobi including the third and fourth hokage that was pushing him out of the village and the fourth teleporting his TBB?

well you made kurama sound so godly. you made it seem as if he would have no trouble destroying the village.

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-> Look at it. That was Hachibis power, Kurama is much stronger than that. You are saying that Bijuu are just some trashed compared to PS, while manga clearly proves that you are wrong.

the manga doesnt say that im wrong. it agrees with me in fact. a tbb which has a charge time can take out mountains. perfect susanos sword slash which has no charge time and can be done in rapid succession can take out mountains with each slash. madara even said that his susano was meant for pure destruction.

 

[TheSages456]

The one who soloed the kage is edo madara not EMS madara, but i have to agree madara has better chance of winning but saying he stomps naruto is stupid, naruto has a chance of winning we didnt all of his power yet

the moment madara revealed perfect susano, it was made clear by kishi that ems madara>>>>>5 kages.