Tobi was NOT scared of Itachi.

[JINCHURIKI9]

ur a dummy, itachi was the only thing keeping tobi away from konoha when minato died, tobi mabe can go toe to toe with itachi now that he has the reningan but before he could not, only thing he could do was run away like wat he did against minato

this is true

 

[KidGamer65]

no my scenario is not stupid i was mocking the guy who gave the silly scenario above and your comment...Because you guys somehow after seeing how much of a genius itachi is at finding weaknesses in every technique think he would sit there and just allow himself to be sucked in with kamui and not use clones or substitutions like he always does.

I have never seen itachi attack head on unless he has a clear winning plan to do so....Also so far he is INVINCIBLE....In the sasuke fight he had sasuke back peddling to the wall scare pooing bricks the he touched his forehead and died...He did not lose he commited suicide...Even orochimaru was scared of Itachi after he got his butt served to him cold in 5 seconds.

Name 1 other ninja in manga who has defeated Orochimaru at full force....All the Itachi haters like you have so proof or any thing concrete putting any ninja over Itachi other than mere theories.

1. Itachi so far based on the MANGA = INVINCIBLE: NEVER LOST A FIGHT
2. Itachi defeated Orochimaru in about 5 seconds at his full strength
3. Itachi was considered by ZETSU (Tobi and Madara intel gatherer) as Invincible in some form...For reasons we dont know but can only speculate about...Only kishi alone knows why he wrote that...Maybe the sword in Itachi Susano hands being the fact that is was "ETHERAL" meaning it is was a spiritual blade or cannot be sensed, and the fact that one touch from the "SPIRITUAL" blade sealed you for eternity made zetsu say that. (Look up the many meanings of etheral)
4. Tobi got his butt served to him by minato for being STUPID
5. Tobi just got his butt searved to him while using both rennigan and kamui by a Naruto clone again for being STUPID
6. Tobi plainly states in the manga that he can be killed by itachi...That is also after he found out Itachi's Susanoo was INVINCIBLE in addition to all the intel he had on him....Also it can be because He saw Itachi's Full fighting Capacity when he Helped him Massacre the Uchihas.

Based on these FACTS YOU HAVE NO SOLID information in Manga claiming that Tobi was able to beat Itachi...All you have is opinions. My disgust with your arguments is you are looking all these facts and still you say Tobi did not fear Itachi when even Tobi and his slave Talks about Itachi on a higher level than Tobi at some point.

Here is what you are saying. I will use myself as an example.

Eg: I tell my a friend of mine "If my dad know i was smoking pot I would be dead by now" OR "If my mom knew my secrets i would be dead by now" OR "If the cops knew my hideout and abilities and the things i have done I would be dead by now" Does not signify that i fear my dad or mom or the cops could find out those things and thus kill me

LOL are you freaking seriously arguing something so STUPID WOW

I CHALLENGE YOU TO USE A FACTUAL STATEMENT FROM THE MANGA TO DISPROVE ITACHI > TOBI

All you are doing is relying on the statement from Zetsu that states he was "invincible" and you won't or rather can't even counter my arguments.

He can't use Substitution's if he wants to use Izanami.

If tries Izanami then he WILL get sucked in.

All you do go on about "oh he's invincible" but you don't even counter my argument, for starters you keep avoiding this question: How does he counter Kamui, you avoid that and type all this random BS because you know you can't tell me how Itachi counters Kamui.

"He uses clones" When he sucks in the clone what happens then genius Itachi can't hide behind clones the whole fight, ITachi doesn't have as much Chakra as Naruto so using clones the whole fight is out of the question.

Stop fanboying and answer the question cause until you do your argument is just plain stupid and retarded.

@bold: Thats where you fail genius, IF he knew his ABILITIES AND THE THINGS HE COULD DO HE WOULD FEAR HIM< BUT ITACHI DOESN"T KNOW THAT THEREFORE TOBI DOESN'T FEAR HIM.

You challenge me to do something yet i challenged you to tell me how he ocunters Kamui, and you STILL haven't done it. If you don't tell me how he counters it in your next post I'm finished with you.

That still doesn't erase the fact that Tobi admitted that he'd be dead if Itachi knew of his plans. :flaw:

Making up your own manga I see, cause Tobi never said that, that's just you twisting Tobi's words to fit your P.O.V.

This goes out to anyone who keeps on rambling on about these secrets that IF Itachi knew of them then Tobi would be dead: Tell me what are these secrets? Cause you people seem to be assuming what they are.

 

[Hitoshi]

All you are doing is relying on the statement from Zetsu that states he was "invincible" and you won't or rather can't even counter my arguments.

He can't use Substitution's if he wants to use Izanami.

If tries Izanami then he WILL get sucked in.

All you do go on about "oh he's invincible" but you don't even counter my argument, for starters you keep avoiding this question: How does he counter Kamui, you avoid that and type all this random BS because you know you can't tell me how Itachi counters Kamui.

"He uses clones" When he sucks in the clone what happens then genius Itachi can't hide behind clones the whole fight, ITachi doesn't have as much Chakra as Naruto so using clones the whole fight is out of the question.

Stop fanboying and answer the question cause until you do your argument is just plain stupid and retarded.

@bold: Thats where you fail genius, IF he knew his ABILITIES AND THE THINGS HE COULD DO HE WOULD FEAR HIM< BUT ITACHI DOESN"T KNOW THAT THEREFORE TOBI DOESN'T FEAR HIM.

You challenge me to do something yet i challenged you to tell me how he ocunters Kamui, and you STILL haven't done it. If you don't tell me how he counters it in your next post I'm finished with you.



Making up your own manga I see, cause Tobi never said that, that's just you twisting Tobi's words to fit your P.O.V.

This goes out to anyone who keeps on rambling on about these secrets that IF Itachi knew of them then Tobi would be dead: Tell me what are these secrets? Cause you people seem to be assuming what they are.

haven't seen you before then again i haven't posted for in a long while but /facepalm pretty clear its his space time technique otherwise Amaterasu would have killed him end of story fail safe secrets talking about his jutsu was pretty clear in the talk my man. Also Itachi has never lost a fight so he is invincible he died because of a sickness which kishi still haven't told us was so yeah he was invincible and idk what your talking about with kamui as i cant be bothered with searching for it but bro Tsukuyomi eye contact its over and don't say he just wont look it him in his eyes cause that wont work tbh i dont see tobi winning that fight when all itachi has to do is lift a finger and he catches people in genjutsu so a battle of the eyes itachi will win

 

[KidGamer65]

haven't seen you before then again i haven't posted for in a long while but /facepalm pretty clear its his space time technique otherwise Amaterasu would have killed him end of story fail safe secrets talking about his jutsu was pretty clear in the talk my man. Also Itachi has never lost a fight so he is invincible he died because of a sickness which kishi still haven't told us was so yeah he was invincible and idk what your talking about with kamui as i cant be bothered with searching for it but bro Tsukuyomi eye contact its over and don't say he just wont look it him in his eyes cause that wont work tbh i dont see tobi winning that fight when all itachi has to do is lift a finger and he catches people in genjutsu so a battle of the eyes itachi will win

I know that it's about his Kamui, I just wanted to see what others said cause some others early on in the thread were saying it was about his plans or his identity.

Just because he has never lost doesn't mean he's invincible, if he was invincible he wouldn't have needed Sasuke's help with Kabuto, but that's a whole other debate and I don't want to get into it right now.

Explain why that won't work before you say it won't work and when he moves his body to the other dimension with Kamui (Intangiblity) Genjutsu won't work since Tobi is not in the same dimension as him.

 

[Hitoshi]

I know that it's about his Kamui, I just wanted to see what others said cause some others early on in the thread were saying it was about his plans or his identity.

Just because he has never lost doesn't mean he's invincible, if he was invincible he wouldn't have needed Sasuke's help with Kabuto, but that's a whole other debate and I don't want to get into it right now.

Explain why that won't work before you say it won't work and when he moves his body to the other dimension with Kamui (Intangiblity) Genjutsu won't work since Tobi is not in the same dimension as him.

about your whole not i same dimension for tobi to touch itachi he has to be in same dimension which not only cant he hold it for more then 5 minutes after that time hes vulnerable now we've only seen physical attacks on tobi when hes using his kamui no one has tried genjutsu mostly because no one on good guy side uses it lol which baffles me so we do not know if genjutsu would be a weakness of kamui as well so you cant rule that out but like i said he would have to fight itachi in same dimension he cant keep up kamui his only technique we know of while we know alot about itachi i think we can say itachi would be kamui if kakshi could figure it out im sure itachi would have sooner.

 

[KidGamer65]

about your whole not i same dimension for tobi to touch itachi he has to be in same dimension which not only cant he hold it for more then 5 minutes after that time hes vulnerable now we've only seen physical attacks on tobi when hes using his kamui no one has tried genjutsu mostly because no one on good guy side uses it lol which baffles me so we do not know if genjutsu would be a weakness of kamui as well so you cant rule that out but like i said he would have to fight itachi in same dimension he cant keep up kamui his only technique we know of while we know alot about itachi i think we can say itachi would be kamui if kakshi could figure it out im sure itachi would have sooner.

He can just not look into his eyes, he has knowledge on his Tsukuyomi, he doesn't need to directly look into his eyes to Kamui him, Tobi wins with one touch, since he can suck him in with Kamui.

Also even if Itachi figures it out, how can he counter it?

 

[Hitoshi]

He can just not look into his eyes, he has knowledge on his Tsukuyomi, he doesn't need to directly look into his eyes to Kamui him, Tobi wins with one touch, since he can suck him in with Kamui.

Also even if Itachi figures it out, how can he counter it?

what did i just say about the whole not looking into his eyes earlier in my post the only person who knows how to battle a sharigan user without looking at them in the eyes is guy now here's the problem with what you just said Itachi's known to put you in a genjutsu even if your not looking into his eyes as we've seen in the manga he can point at you ect ect so whats stopping itachi from having obito in a genjutsu? and one touch of kamui and its a win yeah we seen that win before i.e 4th hokage was touch didn't see a instant win right there oh thats right he got his ass whooped and left with zetsu arm coming off you know imma just end this now itachi brings out susanoo oh please say tobi can kamui that i would just laugh my ass off because he cant boom sealing sword its done next question

 

[KidGamer65]

what did i just say about the whole not looking into his eyes earlier in my post the only person who knows how to battle a sharigan user without looking at them in the eyes is guy now here's the problem with what you just said Itachi's known to put you in a genjutsu even if your not looking into his eyes as we've seen in the manga he can point at you ect ect so whats stopping itachi from having obito in a genjutsu? and one touch of kamui and its a win yeah we seen that win before i.e 4th hokage was touch didn't see a instant win right there oh thats right he got his ass whooped and left with zetsu arm coming off you know imma just end this now itachi brings out susanoo oh please say tobi can kamui that i would just laugh my ass off because he cant boom sealing sword its done next question

What a fail, Minato has FTG that's why he won, do you READ the manga genius, does Itachi have FTG, no he doesn't so I suggest you do your research before making a fail comparison like this.

As for Susanoo, he can outlast him in that, cause when Susanoo goes up Obito stays on the defensive and while he is not attacking Obito can't be hit.

Sharingan sees through Genjutsu so that weak Finger Genjutsu won't work since he can release it after learning that he is it.

EDIT: Well I'm done with this thread, I'm most likely not going to come back on here so don't bother replying.

 

[theqid]

this thread is ridiculous.. itachi>tobi? well now consider two characters... itachi and nagato... these two guys are worlds apart in terms of power.. nagato single handedly wiped out konoha and did a whole host of other amazing feats like defeating hanzo of the salamander; a man who even the three sannin barely made it with their lives fighting... he also must have had the most jutsus in the series owing to his rinnegan... even some1ne this powerful was manipulated by tobi to do his wishes.. how do u manipulate some1ne that strong unless ur punch is as big as ur mouth??? nagato obviously respected tobi because he knew what even tobi was capable of... tobi extracted the kyuubi from kushina and was able to summon it to konoha.. remember jiraiya once ridiculed at the idea that some1ne was powerful enough to summon the kyuubi because he didnt believ there was anyone that powerful.. and mind u.. tobi controlled the kyuubi with a normal sharingan NOT a mangyekou sharingan.. i would like to see itachi try all this stuff.. tobi was trained by madara himself.. who trained itachi? which student had a better chance over here? and folks r saying itachi>tobi? get REal. no fanboy stuff here.. tobi>>>>>>>>>itachi... U_U

 

[jaytajdar]

tobi is madara's bitch simple

 

[Datguyjr]

It's obvious he wasn't scared of Itachi, he only avoided Konoha because they had a deal.

 

[nuhuyusuff]

"If Itachi new Tobi's secret, he would av killed Tobi long tym ago jst like Tobi said. It means Itachi is capable of kilin Tobi but cant bcos he doesnt knw d secret.

 

[mafo]

All you are doing is relying on the statement from Zetsu that states he was "invincible" and you won't or rather can't even counter my arguments.

He can't use Substitution's if he wants to use Izanami.

If tries Izanami then he WILL get sucked in.

All you do go on about "oh he's invincible" but you don't even counter my argument, for starters you keep avoiding this question: How does he counter Kamui, you avoid that and type all this random BS because you know you can't tell me how Itachi counters Kamui.

"He uses clones" When he sucks in the clone what happens then genius Itachi can't hide behind clones the whole fight, ITachi doesn't have as much Chakra as Naruto so using clones the whole fight is out of the question.

Stop fanboying and answer the question cause until you do your argument is just plain stupid and retarded.

@bold: Thats where you fail genius, IF he knew his ABILITIES AND THE THINGS HE COULD DO HE WOULD FEAR HIM< BUT ITACHI DOESN"T KNOW THAT THEREFORE TOBI DOESN'T FEAR HIM.

You challenge me to do something yet i challenged you to tell me how he ocunters Kamui, and you STILL haven't done it. If you don't tell me how he counters it in your next post I'm finished with you.



Making up your own manga I see, cause Tobi never said that, that's just you twisting Tobi's words to fit your P.O.V.

This goes out to anyone who keeps on rambling on about these secrets that IF Itachi knew of them then Tobi would be dead: Tell me what are these secrets? Cause you people seem to be assuming what they are.

LOL is that you conceding once again hahahahahaha....I gave manga facts thats all i did and i challenged you to do the same to support your opinion.....ATLEAST I HAVE CONCRETE MANAGA STATEMENTS WHERE IS YOUR LOL

I said substitution and CLONES....I also told you about the sword in his INVINCIBLE susanoo hands which is an ETHERAL weapon that can pierce through tobi....Go look up the meaning of ETHERAL....Whether you agree with me or not does not matter....ATLEAST GIVE ME MANGA PROOF SUPPORTING YOUR CLAIM THAT Tobi > Itachi

OTHERWISE JUST ACCEPT YOU HAVE NO PROOF SIMPLE YOU DONT HAVE TO MAKE PATHETICS THREATS TO IGNORE ME.

YOUR main claim and the name of this thread is "Tobi is not afraid of Itachi" NOT "Tobi > Itachi" or vici versa

How either of them will win or lose is only a baseless Hypothesis that can be swayed or agued any which way the participants feel...Stick to your original argument please and answer my CHALLENGE because I have given MANGA PROOF THAT HE WAS AFRAID OF ITACHI either finding out his secret or killing him or whatever....Fact still stands he CLAIMS HE CAN BE KILLED BY ITACHI (Whatever the Degree of possibility is)....Also facts remain that Zetsu his slave said Itachi was INVINCIBLE hahahahaha...Face it you HAVE NO ARGUMENT, IT IS BASELESS AND HAS NO SUPPORTING MANGA STATEMENTS YOU ARE JUST ANOTHER ITACHI HATER hehehehe

 

[khaydz5]

tobi is madara's bitch simple

and itachi is tobi's bitch just like any other akatsuki member.

 

[JINCHURIKI9]

Itachi and Tobi would be a great fight I think itachi would win tho

 

[luten]

I am sorry but some people look to hard into this series.

 

[khaydz5]

LOL is that you conceding once again hahahahahaha....I gave manga facts thats all i did and i challenged you to do the same to support your opinion.....ATLEAST I HAVE CONCRETE MANAGA STATEMENTS WHERE IS YOUR LOL

I said substitution and CLONES....I also told you about the sword in his INVINCIBLE susanoo hands which is an ETHERAL weapon that can pierce through tobi....Go look up the meaning of ETHERAL....Whether you agree with me or not does not matter....ATLEAST GIVE ME MANGA PROOF SUPPORTING YOUR CLAIM THAT Tobi > Itachi

OTHERWISE JUST ACCEPT YOU HAVE NO PROOF SIMPLE YOU DONT HAVE TO MAKE PATHETICS THREATS TO IGNORE ME.

YOUR main claim and the name of this thread is "Tobi is not afraid of Itachi" NOT "Tobi > Itachi" or vici versa

How either of them will win or lose is only a baseless Hypothesis that can be swayed or agued any which way the participants feel...Stick to your original argument please and answer my CHALLENGE because I have given MANGA PROOF THAT HE WAS AFRAID OF ITACHI either finding out his secret or killing him or whatever....Fact still stands he CLAIMS HE CAN BE KILLED BY ITACHI (Whatever the Degree of possibility is)....Also facts remain that Zetsu his slave said Itachi was INVINCIBLE hahahahaha...Face it you HAVE NO ARGUMENT, IT IS BASELESS AND HAS NO SUPPORTING MANGA STATEMENTS YOU ARE JUST ANOTHER ITACHI HATER hehehehe

reading different manga? post that proof and I'll tell you why you're wrong

 

[lordwhizy]

Maybe tobi was'nt scared per se, but Itachi > Tobi ... unbiased.

 

[konohaninja2]

Tobi does not stand a chance against im

 

[KidGamer65]

Foolish fanboys, they say Itachi wins yet he can't counter Kamui, they say he was scared even though it never said or implied that.

When someone tells me HOW he counters Kamui and PROVE that he was scared (which he wasn't) then i'll consider changing my P.O.V, but until then Tobi > Itachi.