for those of you who still believe hashi>/= hiruzen then counter this

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How does hiruzen counter hashiramas tailed beast, AND hashi has been compared to the sage himself and he has been hyped by kakuzu, orochimaru, kabuto, and edo madara. For the people who say hiruzen was called the strongest hokage but the people who said that were fodder and/or they did not live long enough to see hashirama when he had his tailed beast (in his prime) soo tell me if i am wrong or rite :cool:
 

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Iruka's opinion> Than anyone else's.
 

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Hashirama anyday, even if you stick a wood up his arse
 

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first off he was never compared the the sage of 6 paths he was compared to his status of ever exsisting
 

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He was called the strongest in his time, Death Raper Soul > Hashi.
 

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Hashi was weakened/handicapped in that fight.

was he really weakend or he was edo with unlimited chakra and undieing body going against a 70 old man you cannot even use 4 kage bushin without running out of chakra and i bet if madara would have never praied hashi you wouldnt be saying that
 

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Hiruzen has a shit load of hype the only way we'll know for sure is to see the guy fight.
 

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was he really weakend or he was edo with unlimited chakra and undieing body going against a 70 old man you cannot even use 4 kage bushin without running out of chakra and i bet if madara would have never praied hashi you wouldnt be saying that

He may have had those things, but Hashirama was also under Orochimaru's complete control. Since Orochimaru didn't all of Hashirama's powers, he couldn't make him do them, thus handicapping Hashirama.
 

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True. Hashirama without his Regeneration > Hiruzen prime.
 

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He may have had those things, but Hashirama was also under Orochimaru's complete control. Since Orochimaru didn't all of Hashirama's powers, he couldn't make him do them, thus handicapping Hashirama.

Orochimaru is probably one of the most informed characters about Hashirama, he had him as a summon, created clones or whatever Yammato is to Hashirama and helped Danzo get his own wood release. Also it wasn't just a 1 on 1, it was 3 on 1. The best answer I can give for Hashirama not using recent techniques like flower tree world is mainly due to power scale changing as the manga evolved.
 
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Ok how can I explain this. Just because a ninja has a justu doesn't mean he should use, u people on this base should really stop stating that if hashi had used said justu its gg or that hizuren doesn't have anything to counter such and such, justu aren't the basis of a shinobi strength its skill and proficiency. Hizuren is able to use a B rank justu with the power of a S rank. Oro was obsessed with all forbidden justu and had vast knowledge on hashirama. There for he used him as best as the edo tensei would allow, the reason he didn't use flower tree world is obviously because it be stupid to use such a justu in such an small and confined area. It's been stated that he surpassed his predecessors and was considered the strongest kage just because hashi has beeqn shown with a strong arsenal of justu and abilities doesn't mean that the latter is false. People forget to realize hashi's power and strength has been shown or stated when he was in his prime. We've only seen hizuren in his old age and yet he was able to hold his own against to kages and oro at the same time with no help, while battling his own inner turmoils.
 
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