[Predictions] Naruto Manga 436 Predictions / 435 Discussion

[Sasuke Uzumaki]

Well in the name of debate I think I disagree.
You overlooked a couple points
1-After the fight killerbee walked out totally unharmed. Even after getting drilled with Amatsamaru. Also Killerbee can use lightning. We've seen Sasuke use his body to ground lightning, it's possible KB can do the same.
2-After the fight the eight-tails said himself that KB had the advantage the entire fight.
Yes it's true Sasuke was at a few disadvantages, however, for KB to come out unharmed after fighting 3 people with a healer? One on One against KB sasuke wouldn't have a chance.
And also Sasuke was no where near as strong as Itachi. The only reason Itachi died was becuase he wanted to die. If Itachi didn't have this, or if he didn't have that dosen't matter. He did and Sasuke would have lost rather quickly if Itachi really wanted to kill Sasuke.

I agree with most of your points, but about Sasuke, what I think is that it does not matter that he's not as strong as Itachi right now: he will be. Remember Itachi was 4 years older, so he had 4 more years of experience. Sasuke will surely reach and maybe surpass him. Itachi had been trained by the clan, unlike Sasuke who lost everything as regards that.

It does not matter if Itachi was a genious kid, when you become an adult, skills and intelligence are balanced with those who where not geniouses.

Same goes for Naruto compared to Minato: it's just a matter of time.

 

[SLopez21]

So, what have we learned, and whould would win an all out fight?

In the beginning of this battle Sauske had an incomplete Magekenyo Sharingan, if the one he used against Madara was even his to begin with. And to top it off, Sauske was still recovering from his fight with Itachi.

I have to say, either way you look at it, Sauske would have won this battle. I think there is only one reason, and one reason alone that he didn't: He was trying to capture KB, not kill him, and regardless of the mindless input from Suigetsu, this makes a world of difference. KB didn't have to worry about catching Sauske, he just had to kill him. This is a much more simple and straight forward task.

I will even go so far as to say that Sauske could have beaten KB even without Magekenyo Sharingan, if he had just been out to kill him.

I will take it one step further, and piss off a lot of people, and say that he more-than-likely could have killed Itachi if Itachi hadn't had his legendary armor.

Sauske was being held back by his need to capture KB, there were no such strings involved with the aitachi fight. Sauske was out for blood. That new Ninjutsu of his utilize lightning itself. Sauske knew he needed something faster than Itachi in order to beat him (I would say Itachi is the third fastest ninja in the series if you count Minato and Madaras space/time jutsu as raw speed), and no ninja can out run lightning. Period.

So if KB and Sauske ever met up again, all he would have to do is use that technique and it would be a one shot KO.

You might say that this, especially combined with his Magekenyo Sharingan, which I think is more perfect than Itachi's, as Madara predicted it would be, makes Sauske to powerful. I would say you're right, and you're wrong.

The question is: too powerful for who?

I think that with these two fights, Sauske VS KB and Sauske VS Itachi, we are starting to see Sauske become more of an even match for Naruto so that he may once agin, some day, reclaim his rightful place as antagonist. I actually think Sauske has a little bit to go before catching up with Naruto, especially when you consider that wind nature is strong against lightning natured ninjitsu. Sauske has been favoring lightning-nature ever since he learned chidori, and we haven't seen a whole lot of fire from him.

Now on to a few other points:
I think Sauske chose his team carefully, and he was well aware of each persons unique abilities. It is unclear to me weither or not he set them up soley for the purpose of tracking and taking down Itachi, but it seems to me that there is more too it.
Karin: Chakra sensor-type. Ale t sense chakra at long distances, track it, and predict its next movement. She also has the ability to heal a person by allowing them to 'suck' her chakra.
Suigetsu: Ninjitsu water-element type. Possibly able to use the 'Water Release' skill that the second Hokage was famous for. Skilled swordsman, fairly strong.
Jugo: Originator of the 'Cursed Seal' Kekkai Genkai. It appears he is unable to reproduce the seal on others himself. Posses shape-shifting like abilities. Exceptionally strong. Able to give his flesh and chakra to those who can handle the cursed seal in order to heal them, but it appears that doing so puts him in an extremely vaulnerable 'child-like' state.
Add in Sauske's skills and you hve one heck of a team lineup.

I know I promised to make a Madara/Itachi theory, but I am pretty tired. This analysis took longer than I thought because there was such a treasure-trove of information in the fight with KB. I will get to it tommorow, if I have the time. Sorry.

Great analasys dude, but here are the flaws. First off in the Naruto series anybody has the ability to kill anybody. Konohamaru killed a pain body when kakashi got spanked like pain was his daddy. I do believe that sasuke did have ability to kill killerbee as killerbee had the ability to kill sasuke. Now if sasuke was there to kill him as apposed to capture him the fight would have went differently but comparing it to the fight with Itachi was not the way to prove your point. Sasuke did not use lightning against Itachi untill it was completely necessary, instead he played genjutsu and orochimarus snake jutsu. Why is that? Every1 tests a ninjas strength before going all out. I believe that the fight with Killerbee would have been about the same if sasuke was out for blood. He would play genjutsu which didnt work and got him hurt. He would play sword fight which got his chest blown off. Inevitably though its not about strength in the series, its usually about numbers and sasuke fought killerbee smart with numbers which is why he walked away breathing. If it were not for his friends killerbee would have eaten sasuke alive due to his ego.

 

[Dreamer101]

Hey,thanks! It's nice to see someone realises you try to be respectful. If you ever find I'm unrespectful, I may have chosen my words wrongly (not a native speaker).

Going back to the manga, a thought has crossed my mind:

Let's assume Sasuke appears and he tries to unleash the kyubbi (for whatever reason: either to help Naruto or to get the kyubbi for himself). Then, Itachi's mysterious gift to Naruto would be initiated! Could this gift, which is meant at preventing Sasuke to destroy Konoha, work against Pain?

Please tell me, what do you members of the forum think?

1 - It could work against Pain, but Sasuke need to appear.

2 - It could work against Pain and will be launched alone because of the Rinnengan without Sasuke's intervention.

3 - Another option.

Your feedback is welcome.

i think your right but i think that it would only work when sauskes MS is activated, like with madara when he took sauske and the black fire came out because of madaras sharingan. what you guys think?

 

[Arisonius]

i think your right but i think that it would only work when sauskes MS is activated, like with madara when he took sauske and the black fire came out because of madaras sharingan. what you guys think?

Itachi did not base the activation off Magekenyo Sharingan. At the time Sauske didt have one. I bet its just a plan old Sharingan Trigger and that's why Kakashi has to be out of commission for a while. If this theory holds true there are three people, possibly four, who can activate Narutos gift from Itachi.

Kakashi, Sauske, Madara, and Itachi himself. What!?! I thought Itachi was dead?!? He is, but it would be interesting This would make an even more interesting trigger, and a better one to boot!

Im going to go post a few theories now.

 

[Arisonius]

Could someone point me to where I could post my theories? I was originally going to post my KB V Sauske analaysis there lst night but I couldn't find it, and I can't again.

 

[sageofmyobokuzan]

Dredblack7, I see you! @.@ <--- Sharingan. I can count on you to counter my arguments, right? I need something to think about. I accidently overloaded my brain with those last posts and need to kick-start it again!

im going to have to disagree with you and say that sasuke isnt stronger than killerbee.....yet, for the following reasons:
1. i know sasuke wasnt trying to kill killerbee but he still almost got killed twice(he wouldve have died if not for karen and jugo.
2. he ended up almost trying to kill killerbee when he unleashed ameterasu, he didnt know he could put out the flames when he first used it, which means he was actually trying to kill kb.
3. the hachibi said it himself "why did u summon me when you had the upperhand" and kb said he got a little carried away
since im pretty sure the bijuu's are good at determining the skill of a shinobi, if only because of how long they have been around and because the were controlled by the first so they know what it means to be in the presence of a truly powerful shinobi, and the hachibi thought kb was stronger than sasuke, look forward to a rebuttal

 

[sageofmyobokuzan]

so a thought just came to me regarding itachi's gift to naruto, what if its not necessarily a weapon or defense at all, but a way to control the ultimate weapon/defense that lives inside him??? what if itachi gave naruto the power to control the 9-tails??? to me that seems more plausible than him giving naruto ameterasu, or susano, what if instead itachi realized that with ms sasuke would be able to supress the kyuubi's power within naruto, so to counter that he gave naruto the ability to control the kyuubi himself?!?!
this might have already been said bfore but any thoughts are welcome

 

[dbzboy300]

Itachi did not base the activation off Magekenyo Sharingan. At the time Sauske didt have one. I bet its just a plan old Sharingan Trigger and that's why Kakashi has to be out of commission for a while. If this theory holds true there are three people, possibly four, who can activate Narutos gift from Itachi.

nice
agree with u

 

[Arisonius]

im going to have to disagree with you and say that sasuke isnt stronger than killerbee.....yet, for the following reasons:
1. i know sasuke wasnt trying to kill killerbee but he still almost got killed twice(he wouldve have died if not for karen and jugo.
2. he ended up almost trying to kill killerbee when he unleashed ameterasu, he didnt know he could put out the flames when he first used it, which means he was actually trying to kill kb.
3. the hachibi said it himself "why did u summon me when you had the upperhand" and kb said he got a little carried away
since im pretty sure the bijuu's are good at determining the skill of a shinobi, if only because of how long they have been around and because the were controlled by the first so they know what it means to be in the presence of a truly powerful shinobi, and the hachibi thought kb was stronger than sasuke, look forward to a rebuttal

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[BAN_KAI]

Could Shikamarus abilities work on Pein just to buy Naruto time to gather more nature chakra

 

[Narut0h0lic]

maybe nagato's technique is similar to ino's clan and to itachi ande kisame's one when they both fighted guy team and kakashi team.
There's no doubt that each power pain sshowed us is the six paths, and nagato transfer them to the corpses.

Pain bring corpses to that tower charged them with chakra and fill them up with ckakra receivers, so the bodies and nagato can comunicate through chakra frequencies, although ino found that nagato frequently changes the frequency to make it untraceable.

Shizune while autopsying the body discovered the receivers and called them demodulation devices.
Demodulation is the act of extracting the original information-bearing signal from a modulated carrier wave.
In telecommunications, a carrier wave that is modulated (modified) with an input signal for the purpose of conveying information.

So he gave the body those receivers in order to get information and to give them orders. He also has an incredible genjutsu applied to their brain's, i think is probably something like ino's Mind Body Disturbance Technique, but more advanced and powerful. I still don't know what inoichi discovered by earing "bring the bodies" but hope that he finally discover the big secret

 

[Arisonius]

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[TRIX]

Could Shikamarus abilities work on Pein just to buy Naruto time to gather more nature chakra

I doubt that he will engage in the battle in Pain, firstly he has a broken leg, and Kishi had made it clear in past chapters that no one is to interfere, however answering your question, I see no reason why Shikamaru's ability wouldn't work on Pain, in fact it's one of the most broken jutsus in the manga because it is that damn useful.

Well the obvious prediction would be that a lot of information is given on Pain and we get some interesting revelations hopefully, there probably won't be any fighting next chapter, though I expect Naruto to finish or start his fight back after next chapter.

 

[BAN_KAI]

I doubt that he will engage in the battle in Pain, firstly he has a broken leg, and Kishi had made it clear in past chapters that no one is to interfere, however answering your question, I see no reason why Shikamaru's ability wouldn't work on Pain, in fact it's one of the most broken jutsus in the manga because it is that damn useful.

Well the obvious prediction would be that a lot of information is given on Pain and we get some interesting revelations hopefully, there probably won't be any fighting next chapter, though I expect Naruto to finish or start his fight back after next chapter.

I mean when Shikamaru fought Hidan and Kakuzu they were to strong for his shadow thing he could hold them only for a couple of minutes and Pein is much stronger than those 2

 

[TRIX]

I mean when Shikamaru fought Hidan and Kakuzu they were to strong for his shadow thing he could hold them only for a couple of minutes and Pein is much stronger than those 2

Yeah you have a point, but Shikamaru is probably stronger than he was back then. Though I wonder if Deva needs to move his hands to use his ability, if not Shikamaru would be beaten.

 

[BAN_KAI]

Yeah you have a point, but Shikamaru is probably stronger than he was back then. Though I wonder if Deva needs to move his hands to use his ability, if not Shikamaru would be beaten.

No i think that shikamaru is the same as he fought with those 2 i would cool if he learns that jutsu from his father that control his enemy and atack the other one like he did when Oro atacked Konoha if you can remember

 

[Japhrimu]

Guess who's back. Back again. J-man's back. Tell a friend. I had a lot to catch up on. For the most part, since pg 9, you all have only discussed a couple of topics. I'm not going back and forth to look at all of what was said again, so I'll try to go off of memory. I won't necessarily couter or confirm what any of you said, I'll just say what's on my mind.

 

[Japhrimu]

About the sharingan. I don't think it can 'see through' shadow clones. The shadow clones are identical to the real caster. The sharingan just catches little differences in how they act or move, then processes the information. The real Naruto probably used to act differently than clones would act, if just a miniscule amount. Naruto, through learning and shinobi growth, has probably fixed this weakness of his, as we have all seen. I THINK when Naruto and Kakashi's fighting in the second survival training, Naruto successfully fools Kakashi, who's actively using the sharingan. Whatever. I actually think everyone's basically clear on this.
(edited in) I think the sharingan only controls the 9-tails.

 

[Japhrimu]

Anybody think that Madara picked up where Jiraiya left off in mentoring the three kids, Nagato, Konan, Yahiko?

 

[Yoshitsune]

how many paths of pain are left?